Melo has NO trade value in this current scenario. The only way you should get Melo this year is if Denver accepts Curry's contract and fodder. Gallo and AR cannot be included in the trade. The only player we send of value should be The Mayor since there is a chance we lose him this summer due to salary.

Man. Was all these years of popcorn man and his decision making corrupted the minds of some in UK boards? Take it easy and relax. This is a good gamble to make.

NYKBocker wrote:I think Donnie is smarter that this. He is not going to bid against himself to get Melo. Melo talent wise is worth a lot in a typical scenario. AHHHH....We are not in a typical scenario. LeDouche and Bosh has shown what a UFA with options can do in the off-season. Melo's talent level is in between those 2 arseholes. They can actually bolt from their team and leave them with nothing and actually get MAX or close to it. Denver and other teams are weary of this. Melo has said that he prefers to go to the Knicks and is prepared to wait it out as evidence to his refusal of signing the MAX extension from Denver.

Melo has NO trade value in this current scenario. The only way you should get Melo this year is if Denver accepts Curry's contract and fodder. Gallo and AR cannot be included in the trade. The only player we send of value should be The Mayor since there is a chance we lose him this summer due to salary.

Man. Was all these years of popcorn man and his decision making corrupted the minds of some in UK boards? Take it easy and relax. This is a good gamble to make.

Amare needs help plain and simple. If we get Melo then I feel we are a top 4 seed in the east.

Gallo - No
Randolph - NO
Curry - No

Amare - Yes
Melo - Yes
Felton - Yes
Walker - Yes....been there but didn't play
Mozgov - Rookie

I like it

AnubisADL wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I think Donnie is smarter that this. He is not going to bid against himself to get Melo. Melo talent wise is worth a lot in a typical scenario. AHHHH....We are not in a typical scenario. LeDouche and Bosh has shown what a UFA with options can do in the off-season. Melo's talent level is in between those 2 arseholes. They can actually bolt from their team and leave them with nothing and actually get MAX or close to it. Denver and other teams are weary of this. Melo has said that he prefers to go to the Knicks and is prepared to wait it out as evidence to his refusal of signing the MAX extension from Denver.

Melo has NO trade value in this current scenario. The only way you should get Melo this year is if Denver accepts Curry's contract and fodder. Gallo and AR cannot be included in the trade. The only player we send of value should be The Mayor since there is a chance we lose him this summer due to salary.

Man. Was all these years of popcorn man and his decision making corrupted the minds of some in UK boards? Take it easy and relax. This is a good gamble to make.

Amare needs help plain and simple. If we get Melo then I feel we are a top 4 seed in the east.

So you want to get have the possibility of being a 1st or 2nd round team in the playoffs now to a team that can possibly contend for the Eastern Conference championship and more for years to come? Because if you wait until the summer, you can have Melo with Amare and Felton and Gallo and AR and TD and Mozgov and Fields and whoever we have other than the Mayor.

BRIGGS wrote:The question here is where do you stop? If we go to far--it will have the same effect. remember while both players are great--wed be paper thing IF we gave up a ton fo current players + those guys are injury prone. Ive watched the Heta--let me tell you this right now--the Heat are not winning sht. Teh heat are NOT on the same level as Orlando. No one has noticed just how good and DEPP this Orladno team is right now who can lock you down and score on you with ease. They can easily overpower us even with Melo and Amare becasue they go ten deep and talented.

The Heat are going to win 70+ game this year. Some people are just in denial about this. Lebron's Leg is fine and Bosh has been balling. Add in Wade and the league is in for a word of hurt. Did you see how many foul shots Amare got? Lebron, Wade, and Bosh are going to have a field day with single coverage. The same applies for us if we get Melo.

BRIGGS wrote:

kingofelpaso wrote:I'll stop lurking and speak out against any Melo trade that would include shipping out any more of 2 of Gallo, AR, Chandler, Douglas and/or Mozgov.

There needs to be a differentiation between the Knicks becoming a merely a playoff team and a team that is capable of contending for a championship. I agree with the vast majority of posters who state that a line up that includes Amare, Melo, Felton and a variety of our remaining players can certainly get the Knicks into the playoffs.

However, can anyone say that that kind of a trade makes the Knicks contenders on par with Miami, Orlando or Boston?

Think for a second about the ability to bring a player like Gallo off the bench for an added scoring punch once Melo and Amare sit down to rest. Teams that are that deep are the kind of teams that win championships.

If everyone understands that Melo cannot be forced to sign an extension with a team he doesnt want to play for and he wants to play for the Knicks, isnt he holding all the cards? I'm with Briggs on this one, lets wait things out and not ruin our chances at becoming a championship caliber team to be the 5th seed

Seeing the team as is--while I wouldnt love it--I would give up Gallo Randolph + that 2014--but at what point do you stay stop? If we traded for Carmelo now--we would have the right to match any offer and retain Chandler(which would be big) Landry Fields and Mosgov can make up for some of the high quality youth we would be losing. Gallo by himself can be a star player--I don't know what the fudge he has done this pre-season(is he staying out too much) but I cant forget his 22-6-5 the last 20 games of last year. I think it would behoove the Knicks to let Gallo and radnolph play 40 minutes each tonight --at a minimum if we did go along with a trade--big games from both would reduce the need for Denver to ask for more--we would be trading Gallo at his absolute low value and just throwing Randolph as a kicker--really almost unheard of value for these guys who were valued so highly just a short time ago. If Gallo comes out and scores 34 points and has 8 rebounds---then lets talk after the game--it only takes one game to breakout.

Et tu, Briggs?

Whatever happened to patience? What happened to watching our guys develop and reconsidering prior to the trade deadline? What happened to not bidding against ourselves? We can sign Melo as a FA, but we will give our best assets away to get him here now, just because AR and Gallo haven't reached max output yet.

Stay the course, Donnie. There are no other deals on the table for Melo now, and Denver will get antsy later. Don't steer us into the rocks of 2nd round oblivion. We did that in the 90s. Now we have the chance to build a REAL contender. Let's not starphuck it up.

BRIGGS wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Rookie wrote:Gallo and Randolph are proving to be players who need more time to develop. If we are talking playoffs this year, then the move is to get Melo now. Curry/Gallinari/Randolph...i'd dew it

I agree with you that is the deal to make.

Vmart--where do you stop--would you be willing to do Douglas Cahndler Gallo Randolph and a pick? Not me--thats way too much. I understand that it might be too crowded for all players and if we were able to keep Chandler--we could resign him. Whats the cost. My hope really is that Gallo comes out tonight and gives me a 30+ game---its his play in 4 pre season games that has devalued our trade strength. For all of the slack Randolph has gotten--he has played fairly well off the bench just not up to higher expectation.

Its a tough call BRIGGS, I wouldn't give that much even Shaq didn't yield that much in a trade when sent to Miami. If I'm making a deal I have to make sure that Denver get a good deal too. We can't say screw them Melo is holding all the cards. I want to make a deal with Denver that will be fair to them. Reason there are only so many teams in the league and you never know when you will have to knock on the Nugget's door for a future deal. With that said you lock up your stars first and then deal with the surrounding roster.

I know Gallo has to go in the deal as he might have the best upside and chances of him becoming a good player are good. AR shows flashes of brilliance but those are only flashes he needs time to improve probably 2-3 years away before he develops any type of consistency in his play. For me the hardest one to part with would be Douglas because we don't have a backup pg that is that good. Douglas is strong defensively and probably most developed of the young we have. Chandler is a keeper he is versatile and can play multiple positions. Walsh will make a good balanced deal with Denver that both parties will be able to live with. I have faith in the way Walsh deals he will make the right decision.

AnubisADL wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I think Donnie is smarter that this. He is not going to bid against himself to get Melo. Melo talent wise is worth a lot in a typical scenario. AHHHH....We are not in a typical scenario. LeDouche and Bosh has shown what a UFA with options can do in the off-season. Melo's talent level is in between those 2 arseholes. They can actually bolt from their team and leave them with nothing and actually get MAX or close to it. Denver and other teams are weary of this. Melo has said that he prefers to go to the Knicks and is prepared to wait it out as evidence to his refusal of signing the MAX extension from Denver.

Melo has NO trade value in this current scenario. The only way you should get Melo this year is if Denver accepts Curry's contract and fodder. Gallo and AR cannot be included in the trade. The only player we send of value should be The Mayor since there is a chance we lose him this summer due to salary.

Man. Was all these years of popcorn man and his decision making corrupted the minds of some in UK boards? Take it easy and relax. This is a good gamble to make.

Amare needs help plain and simple. If we get Melo then I feel we are a top 4 seed in the east.

So you want to get have the possibility of being a 1st or 2nd round team in the playoffs now to a team that can possibly contend for the Eastern Conference championship and more for years to come? Because if you wait until the summer, you can have Melo with Amare and Felton and Gallo and AR and TD and Mozgov and Fields and whoever we have other than the Mayor.

No guarantee we will get Carmelo in the summer. I feel with Melo and Amare we are a 2nd round playoff team at minimum. Now obviously we wouldnt have the depth to win it all this year but our young guys would get some experience so we can push further next year.

Like I said, this is a good gamble for us. The worst case scenario is we still have cap flexibility and have all of our youngins. And yes, we have as good as a guarantee in this Melo situation. He has already indicated in many circles that NY is where he wants to be. Lala has said this is where they want to be. Why would you get rid of all your assets when you don't need to if you were just a little more patient?

Please no more reading Tea Leaves. NY had Lebron in the bag remember. Lebron talked to Gallo after the game in madison square garden last year remember. Lebron will be a billionaire if he comes to NY remember. Lebron doesnt want to play in Wade's shadow remember.

I don't remember that. LeDouche was in the bag? This is the reason why Donnie went and traded for TMac because LeDouche was not in the bag. He wanted to show LeDouche that he can get another MAX player to run with him. The billionaire thing was the media sensationalizing everything. Look at the situation. There was no guarantees but Donnie played it perfectly. He put us in the position to get LeDouche and another superstar. That plan went to south beach and he acted quickly and collected valuable assets and players that can play in this system.

The ceiling for Melo now and giving away the farm is not where I want to be. I want a championship. You build a team 9-10 deep.

BRIGGS wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

kingofelpaso wrote:I'll stop lurking and speak out against any Melo trade that would include shipping out any more of 2 of Gallo, AR, Chandler, Douglas and/or Mozgov.

There needs to be a differentiation between the Knicks becoming a merely a playoff team and a team that is capable of contending for a championship. I agree with the vast majority of posters who state that a line up that includes Amare, Melo, Felton and a variety of our remaining players can certainly get the Knicks into the playoffs.

However, can anyone say that that kind of a trade makes the Knicks contenders on par with Miami, Orlando or Boston?

Think for a second about the ability to bring a player like Gallo off the bench for an added scoring punch once Melo and Amare sit down to rest. Teams that are that deep are the kind of teams that win championships.

If everyone understands that Melo cannot be forced to sign an extension with a team he doesnt want to play for and he wants to play for the Knicks, isnt he holding all the cards? I'm with Briggs on this one, lets wait things out and not ruin our chances at becoming a championship caliber team to be the 5th seed

Seeing the team as is--while I wouldnt love it--I would give up Gallo Randolph + that 2014--but at what point do you stay stop? If we traded for Carmelo now--we would have the right to match any offer and retain Chandler(which would be big) Landry Fields and Mosgov can make up for some of the high quality youth we would be losing. Gallo by himself can be a star player--I don't know what the fudge he has done this pre-season(is he staying out too much) but I cant forget his 22-6-5 the last 20 games of last year. I think it would behoove the Knicks to let Gallo and radnolph play 40 minutes each tonight --at a minimum if we did go along with a trade--big games from both would reduce the need for Denver to ask for more--we would be trading Gallo at his absolute low value and just throwing Randolph as a kicker--really almost unheard of value for these guys who were valued so highly just a short time ago. If Gallo comes out and scores 34 points and has 8 rebounds---then lets talk after the game--it only takes one game to breakout.

Et tu, Briggs?

Whatever happened to patience? What happened to watching our guys develop and reconsidering prior to the trade deadline? What happened to not bidding against ourselves? We can sign Melo as a FA, but we will give our best assets away to get him here now, just because AR and Gallo haven't reached max output yet.

Stay the course, Donnie. There are no other deals on the table for Melo now, and Denver will get antsy later. Don't steer us into the rocks of 2nd round oblivion. We did that in the 90s. Now we have the chance to build a REAL contender. Let's not starphuck it up.

To be honest no--but I think it's going to happen. Now my fear is just how bad we are willing to overpay.

I don't think Donnie is going to overpay at all. If this happens, I see Curry, Wilson, fodder and picks for Melo.