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Do you honestly feel Mike Dantoni is the right coach for this franchise?


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BRIGGS
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I have come to a conclusion that he is not right for NY. I know he did not coach under the best circumstances but still has done a very poor job and I dont see a hint of a change
Yes--I like the up style play and once we get the right guys we should be off and running
No--this isnt working and I prefer a coach that empahsizes old school D+R values
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BRIGGS
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10/19/2010  8:54 AM
After 2 years I think that he should be monitored 20 games @ a time. I want to see progress-- we should not be worse than last year with a superstar player and enough complimentary pieces
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10/19/2010  9:01 AM
BRIGGS wrote:After 2 years I think that he should be monitored 20 games @ a time. I want to see progress-- we should not be worse than last year with a superstar player and enough complimentary pieces

I agree. Of course we can't keep firing these guys either.

I do like he is giving rookies a shot. Moz has earned everything and is getting an opportunity. Fields could well be in his rotation. Preseason has shown that Rautins does have a skill set although I doubt he cracks it this year.

Progress in terms of roster is evident. How it comes together and of course that MDA never loses the team this year is paramount.

We may be .500 by years end but its going to be rough start. 7-13 record in first 20 games and then better than .500 after to make up ground is not going to be easy to digest.

Melo looms over until traded to Nets or he holds out for Knicks.

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10/19/2010  9:21 AM
Even though I'm sure many disagree, this roster doesn't fit Mike's style of play. He's adapted a little bit but this team doesn't have enough 1 on 1 basketball players who can handle the ball and get to the basket. That's what the spacing is for. Not enough guys can create their own shot. This isn't a good up tempo team. They make too many mistakes, do not pass well, make poor decisions, etc. I still blame Mike because he should have (or should still) adjusted his offense. We never take advantage of mismatches. We need more off ball screens to free up players. I still believe in Mike though. I think him and his staff are very good at developing players. We had a great start back in 08-09 with Jamal and Zach. So I think Mike just needs some more consistent players. This roster might be able to work, if everyone figures out their roles.
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10/19/2010  11:53 AM
Five preseaon games in which starters have not played more then 30 minutes is more then enogh time to evaluate the coaches performance this year
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10/19/2010  12:06 PM
Bippity10 wrote:Five preseaon games in which starters have not played more then 30 minutes is more then enogh time to evaluate the coaches performance this year

Besides, it's not like the WHOLE roster is new, just 10 guys.

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10/19/2010  12:16 PM
I was expecting an undefeated preseason and spectacular play from every single new addition to the team. Then and only then would I be satisfied with the work Mike is doing!

Who needs to see guys like TD, Felton, Fields and Timo bringing intensity on the defensive end. Meh! Defense is overrated. I want to see Felton and Gallo lighting it up right now or Mike is a failure. What is all this focus on the defensive end about anyway?

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10/19/2010  2:05 PM
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I want someone who focuses on defense and rebounding. I don't think you can a championship without those fundamentals.

I want to say that the last few championship teams have only been so-so rebounding teams, but I could be wrong.

Boston is one of the best interior defense teams we've seen in a long long time. As are the Lakers. And, I mean, the Magic couldn't win in 2009... but look at how they absolutely destroyed Atlanta in the playoffs. Just utterly dismissed them. That was all Dwight. But you look at the frontlines of the Lakers and Celtics and you see size and rebounding still matter. Bynum, Gasol, Odom, Artest for the Lakers - KG, Perkins, Big Baby, Shaq for the Celtics

But, hey, I think Donnie actually has us moving in the right direction on that front - Mozgov, Amare, AR, Gallo are all big dudes who can defend the rim (and we've got Jerome Jordan stashed in Europe). They MUST focus on rebounding. MUST. Toney is an elite backcourt defender, Ray Felton and Chandler are solid.

We have the pieces to play defense. We absolutely do.

It's all on D'Antoni as to whether they defend and rebound or not. D'Antoni can't act like he doesn't have the pieces here. He's absolutely got the pieces to win games - it's on him to create a system that befits his players and not vice versa.


You think JVG and Rick Adelman wouldn't win 45-50 games minimum with this squad? They would. It's on Mike now.

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10/19/2010  2:15 PM
This is the season that will decide if MDA is the right coach or not. The team has Amare and a lot of unknown potential. Nothing set in stone with the current team. It will all fall on the shoulder or Amare, Felton, Gallo and Chandler to get it done for MDA. The way I see it Amare will do his thing Felton will eventually be steady at the point but will Chandler and Gallo step up in their games and get to the next level 18-20 points per game with consistency.
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10/19/2010  2:46 PM
So how many wins does Mike need in order for him to earn the right to keep his job? By your standards and Dolan's/Walsh's? I know there are other factors but if you had to put a number on it I would say 35 barring major injury of some sort. I want to say 40 but I just want improvement so im lowering my standards.
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10/19/2010  3:02 PM
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I want someone who focuses on defense and rebounding. I don't think you can a championship without those fundamentals.

I want to say that the last few championship teams have only been so-so rebounding teams, but I could be wrong.

Boston is one of the best interior defense teams we've seen in a long long time. As are the Lakers. And, I mean, the Magic couldn't win in 2009... but look at how they absolutely destroyed Atlanta in the playoffs. Just utterly dismissed them. That was all Dwight. But you look at the frontlines of the Lakers and Celtics and you see size and rebounding still matter. Bynum, Gasol, Odom, Artest for the Lakers - KG, Perkins, Big Baby, Shaq for the Celtics

But, hey, I think Donnie actually has us moving in the right direction on that front - Mozgov, Amare, AR, Gallo are all big dudes who can defend the rim (and we've got Jerome Jordan stashed in Europe). They MUST focus on rebounding. MUST. Toney is an elite backcourt defender, Ray Felton and Chandler are solid.

We have the pieces to play defense. We absolutely do.

It's all on D'Antoni as to whether they defend and rebound or not. D'Antoni can't act like he doesn't have the pieces here. He's absolutely got the pieces to win games - it's on him to create a system that befits his players and not vice versa.


You think JVG and Rick Adelman wouldn't win 45-50 games minimum with this squad? They would. It's on Mike now.

the defense has been good in the preseason no? It seems the doubts are coming to two things. We are getting outrebounded (hasnt that improved steadily since that Minn game?) and we have shot very poorly from the perimeter. Douglas finally lit it up last game but we have gotten nothing from Mason, Walker or Rautins and they have had boatloads of open looks.
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10/19/2010  3:02 PM
tj23 wrote:So how many wins does Mike need in order for him to earn the right to keep his job? By your standards and Dolan's/Walsh's? I know there are other factors but if you had to put a number on it I would say 35 barring major injury of some sort. I want to say 40 but I just want improvement so im lowering my standards.

If he doesn't win 40 games with Felton and Amare healthy for the full season... I think you have to seriously consider letting him go.

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10/19/2010  3:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/19/2010  3:06 PM
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I want someone who focuses on defense and rebounding. I don't think you can a championship without those fundamentals.

I want to say that the last few championship teams have only been so-so rebounding teams, but I could be wrong.

Boston is one of the best interior defense teams we've seen in a long long time. As are the Lakers. And, I mean, the Magic couldn't win in 2009... but look at how they absolutely destroyed Atlanta in the playoffs. Just utterly dismissed them. That was all Dwight. But you look at the frontlines of the Lakers and Celtics and you see size and rebounding still matter. Bynum, Gasol, Odom, Artest for the Lakers - KG, Perkins, Big Baby, Shaq for the Celtics

But, hey, I think Donnie actually has us moving in the right direction on that front - Mozgov, Amare, AR, Gallo are all big dudes who can defend the rim (and we've got Jerome Jordan stashed in Europe). They MUST focus on rebounding. MUST. Toney is an elite backcourt defender, Ray Felton and Chandler are solid.

We have the pieces to play defense. We absolutely do.

It's all on D'Antoni as to whether they defend and rebound or not. D'Antoni can't act like he doesn't have the pieces here. He's absolutely got the pieces to win games - it's on him to create a system that befits his players and not vice versa.


You think JVG and Rick Adelman wouldn't win 45-50 games minimum with this squad? They would. It's on Mike now.

the defense has been good in the preseason no? It seems the doubts are coming to two things. We are getting outrebounded (hasnt that improved steadily since that Minn game?) and we have shot very poorly from the perimeter. Douglas finally lit it up last game but we have gotten nothing from Mason, Walker or Rautins and they have had boatloads of open looks.

Yes, I already think the defense is much improved and will continue to improve as Mozgov progresses. Toney, Moz, Turiaf, AR, Amare, Wilson, Fields, Felton, Mason, and even Gallo are all quality defenders. The team defense should be very good - if it's not, you have to look at the coach.

The outside shooting is going to be tough. They need Gallo to come through there. And Toney and Felton. And it'd be nice to get Kelenna back.


I should say - I think D'Antoni will have a good year this year. I think they'll win 45 games and have a decent showing in the first round and lose to Boston. If they don't make the playoffs... then I think D'Antoni has failed. And I honestly don't see him taking this team past the first round - which is partly to do with the talent level here and partly his style.

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10/19/2010  4:34 PM
crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I want someone who focuses on defense and rebounding. I don't think you can a championship without those fundamentals.

I want to say that the last few championship teams have only been so-so rebounding teams, but I could be wrong.

Boston is one of the best interior defense teams we've seen in a long long time. As are the Lakers. And, I mean, the Magic couldn't win in 2009... but look at how they absolutely destroyed Atlanta in the playoffs. Just utterly dismissed them. That was all Dwight. But you look at the frontlines of the Lakers and Celtics and you see size and rebounding still matter. Bynum, Gasol, Odom, Artest for the Lakers - KG, Perkins, Big Baby, Shaq for the Celtics

But, hey, I think Donnie actually has us moving in the right direction on that front - Mozgov, Amare, AR, Gallo are all big dudes who can defend the rim (and we've got Jerome Jordan stashed in Europe). They MUST focus on rebounding. MUST. Toney is an elite backcourt defender, Ray Felton and Chandler are solid.

We have the pieces to play defense. We absolutely do.

It's all on D'Antoni as to whether they defend and rebound or not. D'Antoni can't act like he doesn't have the pieces here. He's absolutely got the pieces to win games - it's on him to create a system that befits his players and not vice versa.


You think JVG and Rick Adelman wouldn't win 45-50 games minimum with this squad? They would. It's on Mike now.

the defense has been good in the preseason no? It seems the doubts are coming to two things. We are getting outrebounded (hasnt that improved steadily since that Minn game?) and we have shot very poorly from the perimeter. Douglas finally lit it up last game but we have gotten nothing from Mason, Walker or Rautins and they have had boatloads of open looks.

Yes, I already think the defense is much improved and will continue to improve as Mozgov progresses. Toney, Moz, Turiaf, AR, Amare, Wilson, Fields, Felton, Mason, and even Gallo are all quality defenders. The team defense should be very good - if it's not, you have to look at the coach.

The outside shooting is going to be tough. They need Gallo to come through there. And Toney and Felton. And it'd be nice to get Kelenna back.


I should say - I think D'Antoni will have a good year this year. I think they'll win 45 games and have a decent showing in the first round and lose to Boston. If they don't make the playoffs... then I think D'Antoni has failed. And I honestly don't see him taking this team past the first round - which is partly to do with the talent level here and partly his style.

I would say that depends a little. Yeah, he has the talent to take the team to .500 and I still support my 45 win prediction. So if we miss the playoffs with an under .500 record, then I'd say you can start pointing fingers. However, you have to have some patience throughout the year because 1) the worst thing you could do is bench Randolph completely. I think he needs the playing time in order to get over his weaknesses, because with him, it's just a matter of timing and having conviction in the things he does and knowing where to go and when to shoot. He'll cost us some games at first, which will probably cause an outrage from a lot of people, especially on this board, but if he works those kinks out, we're definitely going to become a force.

Also, you have to wonder what a team like Boston will be like at the end of the season and entering the playoffs. Last season, KG and Ray Allen were almost non factors for much of the time, and if that's the case this year, then we might be able to beat them. Also, if the East is really as improved as it seems, 45 wins might very well be good enough for an 8th seed and a rendez vous with the Heat, which would suck ars. Hopefully I'm wrong about that.

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10/19/2010  4:47 PM
Donnie and Mike seem to have tried as best they could to address the issues this team had, but let's face it, this is still the plan B team and that means there are lots of questions marks. this isn't a team where you added a 2nd All Star and could then say it's all on Mike to get it done. He's 1st got to continue to develop guys like AR, Timo, TD, Fields, Walker and to a lesser extent Gallo and Chandler too. That's a lot of player development you're talking about there. If people think it's a easy job and that any other coach would have it easy here, they're mistaken. This is a tough job for ANY coach to try and pull together.

Basically we have seen some solid progress on the defensive end and that should help to give this team a chance to win most games. We need to get the offense up to at least 85% early on and with a big effort on D, this team can get off to a good start at least. I'm looking for big effort on D and for a slow start on offense.

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10/19/2010  5:19 PM
Hire Whoopi! She did a great job in the movie and can kick start a feminist movement for the NBA!
Had enough Melo?
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10/19/2010  5:46 PM
Nalod wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:After 2 years I think that he should be monitored 20 games @ a time. I want to see progress-- we should not be worse than last year with a superstar player and enough complimentary pieces

I agree. Of course we can't keep firing these guys either.

I do like he is giving rookies a shot. Moz has earned everything and is getting an opportunity. Fields could well be in his rotation. Preseason has shown that Rautins does have a skill set although I doubt he cracks it this year.

Progress in terms of roster is evident. How it comes together and of course that MDA never loses the team this year is paramount.

We may be .500 by years end but its going to be rough start. 7-13 record in first 20 games and then better than .500 after to make up ground is not going to be easy to digest.

Melo looms over until traded to Nets or he holds out for Knicks.

if they are not getting the job done why not? if the hire/fire thing keeps up, then perhaps they are not firing at a high enough level since fired coaches cost time/$$$.

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10/19/2010  6:21 PM
sidsanders wrote:
Nalod wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:After 2 years I think that he should be monitored 20 games @ a time. I want to see progress-- we should not be worse than last year with a superstar player and enough complimentary pieces

I agree. Of course we can't keep firing these guys either.

I do like he is giving rookies a shot. Moz has earned everything and is getting an opportunity. Fields could well be in his rotation. Preseason has shown that Rautins does have a skill set although I doubt he cracks it this year.

Progress in terms of roster is evident. How it comes together and of course that MDA never loses the team this year is paramount.

We may be .500 by years end but its going to be rough start. 7-13 record in first 20 games and then better than .500 after to make up ground is not going to be easy to digest.

Melo looms over until traded to Nets or he holds out for Knicks.

if they are not getting the job done why not? if the hire/fire thing keeps up, then perhaps they are not firing at a high enough level since fired coaches cost time/$$$.

Because if you keep this madness up, no one will want to coach here except scrubs who can't get a job anywhere else.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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10/19/2010  7:19 PM
Waffling on this still. oohah and nixluva make interesting cases as the staunchest on each side of the pole.
He does come up with some good plays out of time outs ...sometimes. Sometimes I'm like wtf was that!??!
And it's just flat arse difficult for me to get this whole no foul crap he espouses. Sometimes ya gotta.
Especially end game

On the other hand..the teams he had in Phoenix were not expected to do as well as they did.

82 games a lot can happen and does.

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nixluva
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10/19/2010  7:34 PM
Olbrannon wrote:Waffling on this still. oohah and nixluva make interesting cases as the staunchest on each side of the pole.
He does come up with some good plays out of time outs ...sometimes. Sometimes I'm like wtf was that!??!
And it's just flat arse difficult for me to get this whole no foul crap he espouses. Sometimes ya gotta.
Especially end gam
e

On the other hand..the teams he had in Phoenix were not expected to do as well as they did.

82 games a lot can happen and does.

His approach of not fouling is more a middle of the game thing. It just doesn't make sense to put teams on the FT line when that is the highest % offense you can give a team. FT's are shot at about 76% across the league. In addition he wants the pace to be fast and FT's slow the game down and don't allow you to run and catch teams before they get their defense set. Tactically it makes perfect sense if you intend to win more with offense than defense.

Sure it's great to win with hard defense, but not if you're team isn't blessed with a lot of shutdown defenders. We've still got some guys that aren't that great defensively and that thrive on offense. Tho i'm happy with the defensive effort so far this preseason. IMO it's better to learn how to defend without giving the foul than to rely on fouls too much.

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10/19/2010  7:41 PM
I prefer a coach who puts more emphasis on defense. I get the feeling he is trying to prove a point with his style rather than just win. Avery Johnson would have been a better choice at the time.
Bring back dee-fense
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