Bippity10 wrote:Fishmike unfortunately for randolph d'antoni is being judged by team performance and not developing anyone in particular. In that situation dantoni is going to have less patience becausd in the end he will be fired for x amount of losses, not how far randolph has gone

knicks have what....5 preseason games in 7 days...alot will be determined this week. I liked an MDA quote I read somewhere's saying that he wanted Randolph to just try and do the easy stuff first.

fishmike wrote:the hope is MDA can find a role for Randolph that he can be comfortable in. A few things are obvious, but the most glaring is that AR doesnt know what to do on the floor right now. He's either not looking to shoot at all or he's forcing a shot regardless of the defense in front of him. His BB IQ is very low right now. He's like a pitcher that throws 100 with a nasty slider, but his location stinks and he's got no idea when to throw which pitch.

AR's biggest problem is actually his skill set. He's gone off in NBA games and been unguardable for stretches. He's blocked 8 shots in a game. He's dunked on Yao. He's done all these good things but right now they arent working and teams know if you swarm him he will force the issue and get out of control.

Knicks need to figure out and fast what they want from AR and make a role for him. If he's going to be a defensive guy then get him focusing on that. If they want him to score make him the primary go-to scorer off the bench for 20 minutes.

If I was coaching thats what I would do. Bring him off the bench when Amare comes out or Gallo comes out and run some set plays for him. Get him some screens in the high post where that turn around jumper from 12 feet is money. Get him feeling good about something and the rest will come.

He's 21, a bit immature (who isnt at 21) and clearly struggling to find his niche on a new team. If he needs to be babied a bit fine. Walsh and MDA should be on the same page with that. We brought in some young guys, MDA has to deal with this. Otherwise trade and everyone else you can for Melo and call it a day

Fish is Joba Chamberlin!

World of talent but has not learned how to use it.

I can't believe anyone is questioning the Dlee trade! Dlee was leaving and we were not going to pay him 80 mil. To me what we got in return are all bonuses!

The trio of GS players have gained hype in preseason as we HOPE they are better than they were under Nellie.

Fact is, Turiaf is a career backup player. Nothing wrong with that. HE is a servicable tradable asset with a cool beard.

Bukk'e if damaged goods with an expiring. Talk of him returning to start is way premature. We HOPE, but what is real? Major knee surgery and long reovery.

AR as stated by MDA is a project. I think he has to let the game come to him and get in the flow than create the flow. Grab rebounds, run the lanes, mop up, play weak side defender and look for the damn outlet pass!!!!! I saw a play where he got fouled and he drew a double team with Rony wide open and upset there was no look!!! That was a set play with options.

I can only imagine AR is drawing this much frustration with the team and the coach so early is he is not doing what he is taught in the game. Making mistakes is fine but if your not in the offense then its not going to be friendly on the bench. I don't care how high he can jump and good his handle is if he won't respond to coacing and he loses his confidence with the players.

Is all lost? Not even close. "He is only 21, only been playing a few years, played only 33 games, played under Nellie........" Its all been said.

GS traded him cuz they wanted a polished player now (Dlee)instead of potential later. Nobody is suprised he is a bone head. I read into paper quotes that he is a project and not ready for prime time. Do you trade him for Melo? Yep, but its what else denver wants that bothers me. Cuz AR sure as **** ain'g gonna get it done.

AR can be "Special". Just depends on what special its gonna be.

Who on the Knicks' coaching staff is good at developing raw talent? If there isn't anyone, it's time to find someone to develop the likes of Randolph and polish/refine the likes of Danilo.

BRIGGS wrote:I hope randoplh is afforded 33/34 minutes tonight off the bench and he does 18-10-3 and shuts some people up--I know he is not 100% that is easy to tell by looking at tape--but I think that he has it in him to play at a strong level despite that. he must be getting pissed off---worst thing Mike D could do right now is give him 14 minutes when Stuodemire is not playing Fields and Randolph need the extra minutes--both guys should get 30-35 Gallo needs to play smart tonight--one good game from either of them could star a nice chain reaction.

agree...i watched some video of Randolph and he does not look 100% now. Not making any excuses for him, but you can really see the explosiveness and jumping ability has dropped off some compared to pre-injury footage. Definitely like to see him get minutes to help him find his game....but he does seem to be developing a connection with TD, so maybe best to keep him with the 2nd team...but still he should get bulk minutes

Rookie wrote:Not sure but as per the announcers last night...Randolph had 1 year of college ball...1 healthy year with crack head Nelson and only played 34 games last season....not exactly a recipe for a finished product. He will learn his role once he actually has one and can relax and settle in and find a rythym....prolly needs to stop watching film of Harrington and cue up the Lamar Odom footage instead...just a suggestion

If AR develops at the same pace as Odom did he'll never last on the Knicks. This is NY and we're used to getting everything we want at light speed. AR will probably finally blossom on his 3rd or 4th team.

good nickname for him might actually be ARRRRRRRRRR as that's what he'll likely make fans and coaches say.

He should follow the David Lee blueprint and just rebound his ass off and add some defense (not so much the Lee forte yes). Hopefully once the regular season starts he'll work on his jumper in practice and not in games.

No problem with him chucking it up in preseason.

misterearl wrote:"If I was coaching thats what I would do. Bring him off the bench when Amare comes out or Gallo comes out and run some set plays for him. Get him some screens in the high post where that turn around jumper from 12 feet is money. Get him feeling good about something and the rest will come."

exactly fish.mike - what to do with a player with no position?

You give him a position and a clearly defined role within that position.

Stop trying to make him do everything. If one had to decide the top three elements of his skill set what would they be?

1. At 6'11 he provides a defensive presence in the open court. Box out and get the rebound.

2. He can finish inside with the left handed hook or finger roll.

3. Ball handling

That screams (Anthony Mason) point forward. Bonus: Mase is hanging around the gym.

Shift Du Jour

6'5 Rautins, leadership and court awareness, smart dude
6'7 Fields, another smart dude, decision making
6'11 Randolph, see above
6'10 Stoudemire, the leader of the pack, All Star and smart dude
7' Mozgov, flashing from either side of the paint, quick study... will become smart dude

Wait- his main problem is BB IQ and know what to do and you want to make him the point forward?

I think you start him off with the top two- board & weak side blocks and finish off close in plays where he is in motion and doesn't need to think.

His problem is his thinking too much and trying to do too much.

I'm not sure MDA helped because I think he talked about having him play PG or at least bring the ball up.

Game needs to be slowed up for him- dumb things down.

On defense, this is what you do- on offense, you stand either side of the basket or top of key.

Simplify!

Moonangie wrote:

Marv wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Sucks to be Randolph.

nah. guy's got a great opportunity and a great talent base to rise to it. he's gotta focus, learn, apply, persevere. earn his way. it's life challenges. what sucks about that?

Word. This is called motivational coaching. It's something MDA has not done too often because he has never ben big on the Yoots. But I think in Randolph, he sees it as a worthwhile endeavor. I expect AR will rise to the challenge, but it will take time and experience.

It's a great opportunity for him.

Coaches don't coach to motivate. These are NBA players, not high school students feeling lazy on a rainy day. They all know the rewards and the implications. Motivation isn't and shouldn't be a coaches job. It's up to the players to do that themselves, and if they can't then they shouldn't be on this team.

Marv wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Marv wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Sucks to be Randolph.

nah. guy's got a great opportunity and a great talent base to rise to it. he's gotta focus, learn, apply, persevere. earn his way. it's life challenges. what sucks about that?

Word. This is called motivational coaching. It's something MDA has not done too often because he has never ben big on the Yoots. But I think in Randolph, he sees it as a worthwhile endeavor. I expect AR will rise to the challenge, but it will take time and experience.

It's a great opportunity for him.

Coaches don't coach to motivate. These are NBA players, not high school students feeling lazy on a rainy day. They all know the rewards and the implications. Motivation isn't and shouldn't be a coaches job. It's up to the players to do that themselves, and if they can't then they shouldn't be on this team.

that's a cliche and i don't think it's true. the great coaches are psychologists out there. look at pops, riley, zenmaster.

But you would submit there is a big difference between outright motivating your guys to give effort versus motivating your guys in a way to get over to the championship level. Clearly 2 different things.