Allanfan20 wrote:http://www.knicksvision.com/2010/10/the-aftermath/

Well at least Knicksvision is manning up, albeit unreliable. I probably wont read his stuff much more, but I will share a beer with him if he comes to a UK get together.

At least he gave the top line quotes to UK posts and reacted maturely to them.

BRIGGS wrote:If you were a billionaire--do you think you would personally be pressured/forced by another club to trade melo to them? My bet is very wealthy people would rather be stuck with much less than be *punked* so to say. You don't think smart people like that are watching Newsday on a daily mission pumping this jargon out? It must be noise towards Melo's people saying we have what they want but they still wont comply. But do you really think that matters to a dude like that--or makes him even more dead against him moving Carmelo to the Knicks. The Knicks werent quiet here--they were loud and pushy

I just mean that if it's the case Melo will only sign an extension in NY, then it's also the case that they take whatever we offer or be left scratching their heads and trying to figure out how they ended up with nada. Melo might even be willing to take a 5 year deal just to spite those MFers. No matter what, even a billionaire will want to handle his investments properly, and the value of an NBA franchise correlates directly to the players and the perceived viability of management's plan in the eyes of fans.

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If you were a billionaire--do you think you would personally be pressured/forced by another club to trade melo to them? My bet is very wealthy people would rather be stuck with much less than be *punked* so to say. You don't think smart people like that are watching Newsday on a daily mission pumping this jargon out? It must be noise towards Melo's people saying we have what they want but they still wont comply. But do you really think that matters to a dude like that--or makes him even more dead against him moving Carmelo to the Knicks. The Knicks werent quiet here--they were loud and pushy

I would think a successsful billionaire knows the ebbs and flows of things. Sometimes you wins, sometimes you lose. Or "sometimes your the chimp, and somtimes your the frog!".

That video is going to be a classic win/lose reference for a long time I bet. Good one there, Nalod.

Its not what I would do. I would wait and sign Melo as FA. I wouldnt even want to lose Douglas. Lots of guys score like he does, you can always get the next Eddie House, but I think Douglas can be a big time defender in this league, small size and all. Guy's a pit bull.

knickstorrents wrote:Goddamn I hope it doesn't happen. I don't want to lose any of our guys!!!

call me crazy but imo Gallo has the potential to be as good. Don't want him thrown into any Melo deal. Randolph is ALL potential and since we haven't seen what he can do; can't really miss what you haven't had, I'd rather move him.

grillco wrote:

Mray20 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:If it includes both then we aren't gaining much - especially if we ship the #1 we are rumored to be acquiring in 2011.

I could see shipping one (preferably AR in my opinion) and EC + the draft pick. Sending both basically guts the team and isn't worth it.

I'm right there with you that would just be a wash out not a gain, we need depth on this team. I'm curious though cause most people are saying wilson will be traded for a first rounder, now why would the Nuggets think a first rounder would be better than just getting Wilson. It's not like the Nba drafts are deep anymore unless you're guaranteed a top 2 or 3 pick I would take Wilson Chandler over that any day.

That's been my thing all along. Not that I want to trade both of them, but AR and Chandler's combined numbers are a few less points, but more boards than Melo with more defense. Danilo and Wilson are more than Melo's ppg about 11 rpg and still added defense from Wilson. The draft picks are crap shoots, so taking them over proven young NBA ready and playing talent is confusing at best. It seems like Denver doesn't have a logical plan in place, which is likely part of why Melo wants out. I mean adding Harrington, but not a strong defensive big man (especially in light of Martin either being too injury prone or being allowed to leave).

a guy who puts up 25 & 6 over his career is worth alot more than 2 guys who combined put up similar numbers... giving up all 3 of Gallo, AR & Wilson would be a tough sell on any Knicks fan, but if you could keep one of those guys & still land the best player in the deal, you're making out well on your end... Melo's only 26 & in his playing prime... u want a guy like that playing alongside your big ticket signing from this past summer, Amare... u don't want Amare's remaining good years being wasted while waiting on other guys to fulfill their potential.

islesfan wrote:You guys are freaking nuts if you wouldn't give up anyone on the roster but Stoudemire for Melo. Granted the best option is to wait for him to be a FA and sign him but if that isn't possible and he's going to get traded, the Knicks have to be in on that. Stop overrating the current Knicks players, especially the ones they draft and you become emotionally attached to like puppy dogs. Gallinari is nothing more than a glorified spot up shooter yet he's talked about on this board with reverential tones about skills that he's not even exhibited or come close to being even average at yet. With a Superstar scorer like Melo on the team, he's even more expendable, unlike AR who has a totally different skill set.

If Gallinari, Curry, Wilson and a future #1 pick (Hey Donnie, this is the kind of trade you include future #1 picks, not for dumping McGrady) can get it done, you do it and don't even think twice.

Until another team gets Melo to say he would sign n extension with them, we would simply be bidding against ourselves, which only an idiot (or IT) would do. For now, keep it at Curry (half paid), Chandler, and the 2014 1st rounder. If they wait until February, swap the 1st rounder with 2 GS 2nd rounders. Losing Chandler is no biggie since we couldn't make him an offer next summer anyway.

Patience, grasshopper, no quick triggers here. Melo isn't worth gutting our core, and besides we can retain Gallo for ANOTHER big trade (e.g., Deron, CP3, etc.)

TMS wrote:

grillco wrote:

Mray20 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:If it includes both then we aren't gaining much - especially if we ship the #1 we are rumored to be acquiring in 2011.

I could see shipping one (preferably AR in my opinion) and EC + the draft pick. Sending both basically guts the team and isn't worth it.

I'm right there with you that would just be a wash out not a gain, we need depth on this team. I'm curious though cause most people are saying wilson will be traded for a first rounder, now why would the Nuggets think a first rounder would be better than just getting Wilson. It's not like the Nba drafts are deep anymore unless you're guaranteed a top 2 or 3 pick I would take Wilson Chandler over that any day.

That's been my thing all along. Not that I want to trade both of them, but AR and Chandler's combined numbers are a few less points, but more boards than Melo with more defense. Danilo and Wilson are more than Melo's ppg about 11 rpg and still added defense from Wilson. The draft picks are crap shoots, so taking them over proven young NBA ready and playing talent is confusing at best. It seems like Denver doesn't have a logical plan in place, which is likely part of why Melo wants out. I mean adding Harrington, but not a strong defensive big man (especially in light of Martin either being too injury prone or being allowed to leave).

a guy who puts up 25 & 6 over his career is worth alot more than 2 guys who combined put up similar numbers... giving up all 3 of Gallo, AR & Wilson would be a tough sell on any Knicks fan, but if you could keep one of those guys & still land the best player in the deal, you're making out well on your end... Melo's only 26 & in his playing prime... u want a guy like that playing alongside your big ticket signing from this past summer, Amare... u don't want Amare's remaining good years being wasted while waiting on other guys to fulfill their potential.

Completely agree with both points -- esp. this business about a few decent players equaling one star player..You were right to say that was faulty logic the other day because it is.. It'd be like saying 2 10-game winners in baseball equals CC Sabathia..Ahh, no it doesn't..If you have a chance to get a player of Carmelo Anthony's caliber right now to go along with Amar'e Stoudemire who's at the top of his game (and won't be forever) in a reasonable deal w/o gutting the team, you do it. Case closed..Melo + Aaron Afflalo, even better.

islesfan wrote:You guys are freaking nuts if you wouldn't give up anyone on the roster but Stoudemire for Melo. Granted the best option is to wait for him to be a FA and sign him but if that isn't possible and he's going to get traded, the Knicks have to be in on that. Stop overrating the current Knicks players, especially the ones they draft and you become emotionally attached to like puppy dogs. Gallinari is nothing more than a glorified spot up shooter yet he's talked about on this board with reverential tones about skills that he's not even exhibited or come close to being even average at yet. With a Superstar scorer like Melo on the team, he's even more expendable, unlike AR who has a totally different skill set.

If Gallinari, Curry, Wilson and a future #1 pick (Hey Donnie, this is the kind of trade you include future #1 picks, not for dumping McGrady) can get it done, you do it and don't even think twice.

Bingo!

Finestrg wrote:

islesfan wrote:You guys are freaking nuts if you wouldn't give up anyone on the roster but Stoudemire for Melo. Granted the best option is to wait for him to be a FA and sign him but if that isn't possible and he's going to get traded, the Knicks have to be in on that. Stop overrating the current Knicks players, especially the ones they draft and you become emotionally attached to like puppy dogs. Gallinari is nothing more than a glorified spot up shooter yet he's talked about on this board with reverential tones about skills that he's not even exhibited or come close to being even average at yet. With a Superstar scorer like Melo on the team, he's even more expendable, unlike AR who has a totally different skill set.

If Gallinari, Curry, Wilson and a future #1 pick (Hey Donnie, this is the kind of trade you include future #1 picks, not for dumping McGrady) can get it done, you do it and don't even think twice.

Bingo!

However if you wait and are able to ADD Melo to a team w/ Gallo/Douglas/AR/Mosgov/Felton/Amare then your talking about having the size and talent level to play for a trophy every year.

Thats just my thought. Gallo isnt just a spot up shooter/role player. We dont know what he is.

Nobody here is saying Gallo/Ar or anyone short of Amare is better than MElo. They arent. What I am saying (amd some agree) is the best way to win a title to stockpile size, talent, etc and that means ADDING Melo to the mix, not chopping off the talented underbelly of the roster to get him.

One thing I will say about Melo, and that I will immediatly embrace, is that he WANTS to be here.

nyk4ever wrote:funny stuff about what he said regarding the reponses in several forums :

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Last night I reported that I had heard that Melo was possibly going to be dealt that night. He wasn’t. And I have no regrets.

Although I got trashed a bit in forums like RealGM and Pro Sports Daily, it’s no harm. Heard some pretty good disses though. Here are some posts I’ve taken notes on from last night:

Ultimate Knicks Forum:

“C’mon man, KNICKS VISION? This site makes Isola look like Edward R. Murrow.”

* Thought this one was pretty funny.

“I read a paragraph a week ago and decided to never read his blog…ever!”

* That’s fair – everyone has their own opinions.

“Both ESPN and Miranda are just taking some big swings, hoping to connect and go long, IMO.”

* I think this is a fine point, but I wasn’t trying to take a big swing. I was just reporting what I heard, which is what ESPN tends to do. So I definitely understand where this guy’s coming from.

ProSpsortsDaily Forums

“this is pure garbage.” “it truly is”

* Again, just reporting what I heard and analyzing it.

Real GM Forums

“I’ve never heard of knicksvision.com. How reliable is this guy? He looks like a wannabe Tommy Dee without the SNY backing. -Jitpal”

* Well, Jitpal, obviously not too reliable in your eyes.

Anyway, I’ve learned that in blogging (and life), you have ups and downs: this was a down. No one wants their most successful day to be as a result of a post with false implications, but sometimes it’s worth realizing that bad publicity is better than no publicity.

No worries though, that’s not my goal here at Knicks Vision. I sincerely do want to give you the best information out there on the Knicks, but if I make a mistake once in a while, bear with me, it’s a learning process.

Just wanted to clear up any foul blood. If you have any comments, questions, love or hate about last night or the Knicks, direct them to my e-mail knicksvision @ gmail dot com. For the next seven days, as a result of this yesterday’s “debacle,” feel free to ask me anything via email. All questions will be answered to the best of my abilities and will be answered in sixteen hours.

So yes, I’ve lost a tremendous amount of Knicks fans who may never come back to the site, but I come back with a new fire. Knicks Vision will be better than ever.

if you want to be a good knicks blog dont report that players will be traded while on a team bonding trip to europe unless your source is donnie walsh.