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fishmike
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1/21/2004  10:52 AM
Posted by playa2:

Yea some are acting like 16 yr virgins


Although the Knicks are clearly benefiting from the team's recent weak schedule. The run has come with wins over Orlando, Seattle, Chicago and a Vince Carter-less Toronto squad. And some here have the nerve to bring up chaney's 4 game win streak calling it weak. ROFLMAO

"We're not fooled by [the streak]," Wilkens said. (BUT SOME ON THIS FORUM ARE) "We've taken steps in the right direction, but we still have several more steps to take."



[Edited by - playa2 on 01/21/2004 09:55:30]
Playa... once again you have succeeded in typing words but saying nothing. Whats your point? Is this a good team or a bad team? Is it a playoff team? Is it better coached than it was 2 weeks ago?

Say something... FOR GOD SAKES!! SAY SOMETHING!!! <moderater slaps fish> ummm... sorry, I'm ok now.
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1/21/2004  11:53 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Say something... FOR GOD SAKES!! SAY SOMETHING!!! <moderater slaps fish> ummm... sorry, I'm ok now.

funny. And if anyone needs a mental picture: the Mods here are always decked out in full length coats with the faux mink liner and a big leapord-print hat carrying a cane while laying down the pimp hand.

I was thinking... are there actually 16yr old virgins anymore? MTV has me convinced otherwise.
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1/21/2004  12:03 PM
Fish mike, #1 some postas change their tune after accussing me of doing the same. I made my post because at one time postas weren't satisfied with just making the playoffs , now it's the norm around here. Some even went as far as saying I won't accept the knicks roster until it good enough to compete for a championship, but notice a little star gazing has changed that tune too. We play more exciting now and that is about it. Problems still loom large and tonight will prove it.
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1/21/2004  12:09 PM
playa shut up man.. shut up. if you are honestly saying that this team with Marbury and penny and wilkens as coach is not better than the team we had under chaney, then you are a NUT, you are as blind as those no talent folks trying out for American Idol.. You are the "keith" of this forum...LOL!!
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1/21/2004  12:15 PM
Playa,

Both streaks were weak. THis place was buzzing at that first streak, and buzzing again. But this time AFTER massive changes.

It could be this team is STARTING to come together, or the newness will wear off and they will suck. That is exciting by itself.

After two years of bad karma, the team itself is excited. Allan is talking big expectations, but while we could take it as nice enthusiasm, its not necessary take it at face Value. No need to beat down enthusiasm!

Thomas could be done trading, but keep the team on edge so they can keep it up. Im sure he is shopping the hell out of his players, but cannot afford to over pay. We'll know by the trading deadline. Sweets could also figure into things. He has been working with Aquirre now almost 2 weeks, and could start to play in the next 2-3 weeks. Othella is now back in the rotation. Funny how a new coach can use the same parts. Its interesting how Shandon can shine as a starter in place of H20

I read Wilk is using the same Schemes both on the offensive end and on on D that Chaney used. Smart, can't change on the run. I was concerned they would try to change the Scheme.

Better rotations, Marbury, and sense of urgency makes big difference.

A weak schedule has helped also.

Its been exciting, the potential is there, and expectations are rising. The team should keep getting better, and will have dispointments. Thats how you learn, thats how you grow if you have the talent and the belief.

With Starbury, we have more talent, with Wilk, there is a belief. With Thomas, there is a sense of urgency.

No doubt Thomas messed up firing Chaney. Thomas has done alot in a short period of time so he may get a pass. But he needs to be more credible going forward. Don't say your here to help the coach and then humiliate the staff, then fire them.

I know some of the younger crowd here does not care about how business is conducted so long as you win, but it can be done at the same time. Thomas talked about creating a culture of winning and professionalism. Trust is a big one there also.

Whats done is done, and as I said, it was all done in a short period of time. In my view, Thomas did not want to do a Larry Bird and Fire his azz right away. But what he did was worse. It may not have been his intention. Isiah was a very young executive in Toronto, and still has much to learn. So long as it does not persist, he won't hurt his stature. If he continues to not hold up his word, he will find himself in a difficult situation down the road if the winning is not there.

His strength as a talent evaluater and deal maker should be his fist priority, then go to "charm school" and be not just a smash mouth manager by being tough, but an effective leader by building trust.

Isiah's critics have mentioned he is a smooth talker and not backing up what he sells. I hope he has the long term ability to not just quickly turn around an organization, but build somthing. And only time will show. Thats not hate by the way.

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1/21/2004  12:24 PM
Posted by playa2:

Fish mike, #1 some postas change their tune after accussing me of doing the same. I made my post because at one time postas weren't satisfied with just making the playoffs , now it's the norm around here. Some even went as far as saying I won't accept the knicks roster until it good enough to compete for a championship, but notice a little star gazing has changed that tune too. We play more exciting now and that is about it. Problems still loom large and tonight will prove it.
i think if the knicks win by 1-6 points, that wont prove much because it will still be a hard faught victory that really could have gone either way with a couple of plays here and there. if it's a 7-15 victory, than the knicks would really deserve a lot of props and all of the knicks fans also for believing that they are a very good team now.
on the other hand, if the knicks loose by 1-6, it'll prove that the knicks were not able to avenge their 32 pt loss, they either were not mentally prepared enough about it or weren't prepared interms of the gameplan, or just havn't jelled yet. if they loose by anything more (which i don't think will happen)that will prove that they have got a long way to go because they have a very talented team now but just haven't found a way to jell yet and is going to take some more time for them to do that or it could be that they are just missing a critical piece or two to get them over the hump.
i expect a huge game for marbury and the knicks. they must win this one for the fans sake, the rankings sake, their play-off hopes sake, their mental sake(in terms of, if they are heading into the right direction or need to tweek it some more)
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1/21/2004  12:31 PM
Posted by knixnprix:
Posted by playa2:

Fish mike, #1 some postas change their tune after accussing me of doing the same. I made my post because at one time postas weren't satisfied with just making the playoffs , now it's the norm around here. Some even went as far as saying I won't accept the knicks roster until it good enough to compete for a championship, but notice a little star gazing has changed that tune too. We play more exciting now and that is about it. Problems still loom large and tonight will prove it.
i think if the knicks win by 1-6 points, that wont prove much because it will still be a hard faught victory that really could have gone either way with a couple of plays here and there.

(...)

on the other hand, if the knicks loose by 1-6, it'll prove that the knicks were not able to avenge their 32 pt loss, they either were not mentally prepared enough about it or weren't prepared interms of the gameplan, or just havn't jelled yet.

you contradict yourself.
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1/21/2004  12:41 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by knixnprix:
Posted by playa2:

Fish mike, #1 some postas change their tune after accussing me of doing the same. I made my post because at one time postas weren't satisfied with just making the playoffs , now it's the norm around here. Some even went as far as saying I won't accept the knicks roster until it good enough to compete for a championship, but notice a little star gazing has changed that tune too. We play more exciting now and that is about it. Problems still loom large and tonight will prove it.
i think if the knicks win by 1-6 points, that wont prove much because it will still be a hard faught victory that really could have gone either way with a couple of plays here and there.

(...)

on the other hand, if the knicks loose by 1-6, it'll prove that the knicks were not able to avenge their 32 pt loss, they either were not mentally prepared enough about it or weren't prepared interms of the gameplan, or just havn't jelled yet.

you contradict yourself.
i see what you are saying. but there is a big difference between a win and a loss. the knicks could win by a little margin but would it prove that they are at the point where they need to be, or where they should be. a team could win by a little bit but still feel like they should not have won at all(foolish mistakes here and there)also, there is a pride facton to this one so that alone should lead them to a victory by a little margin imo, the fact that they have a jelling(most people's opinions) team, that should definately put them over the hump against the rockets.
a loss on the other hand can be devastating because it's a loss no matter what, and the knicks are too talented and a veteran group for moral victories.
btw, imo, the rockets aren't yet the creeam of the crop if you know what i'm saying. sure they have won but that doesn't mean that they haven't lost. they just got beat by a team the knicks beat(memphis)
[Edited by - knixnprix on 01/21/2004 12:42:19]

[Edited by - knixnprix on 01/21/2004 12:45:52]
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1/21/2004  12:45 PM
Posted by knixnprix:
Posted by martin:
Posted by knixnprix:
Posted by playa2:

Fish mike, #1 some postas change their tune after accussing me of doing the same. I made my post because at one time postas weren't satisfied with just making the playoffs , now it's the norm around here. Some even went as far as saying I won't accept the knicks roster until it good enough to compete for a championship, but notice a little star gazing has changed that tune too. We play more exciting now and that is about it. Problems still loom large and tonight will prove it.
i think if the knicks win by 1-6 points, that wont prove much because it will still be a hard faught victory that really could have gone either way with a couple of plays here and there.

(...)

on the other hand, if the knicks loose by 1-6, it'll prove that the knicks were not able to avenge their 32 pt loss, they either were not mentally prepared enough about it or weren't prepared interms of the gameplan, or just havn't jelled yet.

you contradict yourself.
i see what you are saying. but there is a big difference between a win and a loss. the knicks could win by a little margin but would it prove that they are at the point where they need to be, or where they should be. a team could win by a little bit but still feel like they should not have won at all(foolish mistakes here and there)also, there is a pride facton to this one so that alone should lead them to a victory by a little margin imo, the fact that they have a jelling(most people's opinions) team, that should definately put them over the hump against the rockets.
a loss on the other hand can be devastating because it's a loss no matter what, and the knicks are too talented and a veteran group for moral victories.

[Edited by - knixnprix on 01/21/2004 12:42:19]

In the NBA a win is a win and a loss is a loss. 1 point, 20 points, during the playoffs, during regular season, no difference.

I guess the team could take something away for moral purposes depending on how much they won/loss, but that's just touchy-feeling crap and is always forgotten the next morning.
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1/21/2004  12:47 PM
Posted by playa2:

Fish mike, #1 some postas change their tune after accussing me of doing the same. I made my post because at one time postas weren't satisfied with just making the playoffs , now it's the norm around here. Some even went as far as saying I won't accept the knicks roster until it good enough to compete for a championship, but notice a little star gazing has changed that tune too. We play more exciting now and that is about it. Problems still loom large and tonight will prove it.
duh!!!

did you expect to go from a two time lottery team to a roster favored to win the title in 2 weeks?

This is a process. I'm happy because we have a future and a path. Nobody's satisfied with anything, we are just happy to our roster improved and have a GM thats not going to stop until its title worthy.

What did you want to happen?

Before your great you have to be good. Everyone knows this puzzle isnt complete, but for once there are some nice center pieces worth watching.

You strike as one of those guys that bitches about things, but offers no better alternative. What is it you dont like about the way this team is going. They are younger, have a better roster, a better coach, they are winning games and have GM with high ambition. Oh your right... nothing to be excited about there.
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1/21/2004  1:13 PM
You strike as one of those guys that bitches about things, but offers no better alternative. What is it you dont like about the way this team is going. They are younger, have a better roster, a better coach, they are winning games and have GM with high ambition. Oh your right... nothing to be excited about there.
[/quote]i think he's a frank williams fan and doesn't like the fact that he just didn't get a shot. same goes for me. no knock on marbury's crudentials and what he could do for this franchise. more talented but a better fit for the knicks than frank williams. who knows, just a shot fired in the dark because as you can recall, deleac and thomas got the same pick n'roll opportunities with frank and houston got the same open jump shots along with van horn.
as a knick fan, he just wanted the knicks to get a talented big man(what they are looking for now)before they got marbury and penny(by giving up a lot of the future and being stuck with salary cap problems) because frank was just starting to do it for this team.
whether we could have gotten that big man or what big man we could have gotten, that's what thomas had to figure out.
but getting one of the top 5 point guards in the league is a good start for thomas (necessary, not necessary, that's what people are trying to argue and deffend)
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1/21/2004  2:15 PM
Knicks highlights are shown on Sportscenter again.... you know what that means...

IT WAS NECESSARY
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1/21/2004  4:48 PM
Posted by letitbeheard:

You strike as one of those guys that bitches about things, but offers no better alternative. What is it you dont like about the way this team is going. They are younger, have a better roster, a better coach, they are winning games and have GM with high ambition. Oh your right... nothing to be excited about there.
i think he's a frank williams fan and doesn't like the fact that he just didn't get a shot. same goes for me. no knock on marbury's crudentials and what he could do for this franchise. more talented but a better fit for the knicks than frank williams. who knows, just a shot fired in the dark because as you can recall, deleac and thomas got the same pick n'roll opportunities with frank and houston got the same open jump shots along with van horn.
as a knick fan, he just wanted the knicks to get a talented big man(what they are looking for now)before they got marbury and penny(by giving up a lot of the future and being stuck with salary cap problems) because frank was just starting to do it for this team.
whether we could have gotten that big man or what big man we could have gotten, that's what thomas had to figure out.
but getting one of the top 5 point guards in the league is a good start for thomas (necessary, not necessary, that's what people are trying to argue and defend)
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