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ESPN: Carmelo Anthony trade talks heat up (Melo to Nets talk here)
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9/24/2010  3:45 PM
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Mray20 wrote:I think the Nets will try to gamble and make this move without Carmelo signing and hoping after playing in Nj and hanging with Jay-z, the russian billionare and seeing their plans for the Brooklyn move he will eventually resign with them. However once Anthony plays in front of an empty arena and the Nets are challenging for the worst record in the east , that plan will be doomed. They're given up Devin Harris in this deal and Jordan Farmar will be their starting point guard lol, Carmelo would have gone from playing with starting point guard Andre Miller to Allen Iverson to Chauncy Billops to Farmar?? ROFL. I still havr faith even if he gets traded he won't sign an extension and will join the Knicks next summer.

It is VERY reassuring to read that Melo prefers a deal to the Knicks. To me, that seems to indicate where his thinking is at presently.

Exactly--if he wanted to be a Knick--he would be a Nugget this year. he doesnt give a F. He wants his money. LBJ and Bosh have much more credibility--they had a plan to be in Miami and stuck it out--this guy is way worse.

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9/24/2010  3:48 PM
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Moonangie wrote:
Mray20 wrote:I think the Nets will try to gamble and make this move without Carmelo signing and hoping after playing in Nj and hanging with Jay-z, the russian billionare and seeing their plans for the Brooklyn move he will eventually resign with them. However once Anthony plays in front of an empty arena and the Nets are challenging for the worst record in the east , that plan will be doomed. They're given up Devin Harris in this deal and Jordan Farmar will be their starting point guard lol, Carmelo would have gone from playing with starting point guard Andre Miller to Allen Iverson to Chauncy Billops to Farmar?? ROFL. I still havr faith even if he gets traded he won't sign an extension and will join the Knicks next summer.

It is VERY reassuring to read that Melo prefers a deal to the Knicks. To me, that seems to indicate where his thinking is at presently.

Exactly--if he wanted to be a Knick--he would be a Nugget this year. he doesnt give a F. He wants his money. LBJ and Bosh have much more credibility--they had a plan to be in Miami and stuck it out--this guy is way worse.

Will you eat those words if he refuses to sign an extension with the Nets? (which is akin to saying "Knicks or Bulls or I walk")...

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9/24/2010  3:49 PM
WTF would Melo be thinking to accept a trade to the Nets if they have Brook Lopez and Terrence Williams at best? No Harris, who's a good PG. No Favors. Sounds like he waaaaaaaaay cares more about the money than the basketball.

That's just assuming he would accept this trade. To me, his best move is to wait the year out and sign with the Knicks as a FA.

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9/24/2010  3:51 PM
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BRIGGS wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
Mray20 wrote:I think the Nets will try to gamble and make this move without Carmelo signing and hoping after playing in Nj and hanging with Jay-z, the russian billionare and seeing their plans for the Brooklyn move he will eventually resign with them. However once Anthony plays in front of an empty arena and the Nets are challenging for the worst record in the east , that plan will be doomed. They're given up Devin Harris in this deal and Jordan Farmar will be their starting point guard lol, Carmelo would have gone from playing with starting point guard Andre Miller to Allen Iverson to Chauncy Billops to Farmar?? ROFL. I still havr faith even if he gets traded he won't sign an extension and will join the Knicks next summer.

It is VERY reassuring to read that Melo prefers a deal to the Knicks. To me, that seems to indicate where his thinking is at presently.

Exactly--if he wanted to be a Knick--he would be a Nugget this year. he doesnt give a F. He wants his money. LBJ and Bosh have much more credibility--they had a plan to be in Miami and stuck it out--this guy is way worse.

Will you eat those words if he refuses to sign an extension with the Nets? (which is akin to saying "Knicks or Bulls or I walk")...

If hes a Net he will be there for atleast 5 years--think about it from the Nets perspective. If a deal gets done--he gets his

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9/24/2010  3:57 PM
BRIGGS wrote:

If hes a Net he will be there for atleast 5 years--think about it from the Nets perspective. If a deal gets done--he gets his

To be fair, you did say during the Lebron saga that there was absolutely no way he would leave money on the table, but he did as did Wade and suprisingly Bosh. I know we all got it wrong with Lebron, but it does show sometimes players do look beyond the money if they want to be happy. Will Carmello do that? I hope so, though I really don't know- still, there's a chance.

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9/24/2010  3:59 PM
smackeddog wrote:Last season, i think, the Suns constructed a trade that would send Amar'e to Golden State in return fo AR and Stephen Curry- a great deal for them. What happened? Amar'e said he wouldn't re-sign with them, and so the trade was dead. Denver can spend all their time and effort constructing a great but complex trade for themselves, but if Carmello says no, then it's all for nothing. If he does block this trade, then it should be a wake up call for the Nuggets, and they'll have no choice but to start working on a trade to a team he will sign for and accept that they can't just trade him for the most attractive deal they want.

Going to the Nets would be a big mistake for Carmello- yeah, he gets his money but ask Marbury if that was any comfort when he was playing for the Nets. It's not a great team and it'll have no starting calibre PG.

Oh well, we'll find out soon enough.

- Deal didn't happen because Golden State didnt want to include Stephen Curry.

- Amare just wants his money and I doubt he really cares who paid him. You think if Milwaukee was the only one too offer him 100 million he wouldnt have played there? Come on.

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9/24/2010  4:10 PM
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- Amare just wants his money and I doubt he really cares who paid him. You think if Milwaukee was the only one too offer him 100 million he wouldnt have played there? Come on.

I wouldn't be so sure- if Amar'e only had a $100mil offer from say the TWolves, or the 3 year deal with the Suns do you honestly think he'd take the Twolves deal? Players do sometimes take the situation into account- especially when they already have 1 max deal under their belt. Did you honestly fore see Chris Bosh of all people taking a pay cut to sign with Miami? Of course not.

Look- I'm not saying Melo will turn down the Nets, there's a good chance he will take the money option, I'm just saying it's not an automatic given- sometimes players do look at stuff other than money, and sometimes they'll risk making less if it means they're happy or can win.

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9/24/2010  4:11 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:WTF would Melo be thinking to accept a trade to the Nets if they have Brook Lopez and Terrence Williams at best? No Harris, who's a good PG. No Favors. Sounds like he waaaaaaaaay cares more about the money than the basketball.

That's just assuming he would accept this trade. To me, his best move is to wait the year out and sign with the Knicks as a FA.

there's no way he's gonna want to play in denver this year. 41 home games of denver fans treating him like cleveland fans are gonna treat lebron on his returns there. his wife having to listen to crap. people hassling him everywhere he goes. no one wants that.

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9/24/2010  4:14 PM
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AnubisADL wrote:

- Amare just wants his money and I doubt he really cares who paid him. You think if Milwaukee was the only one too offer him 100 million he wouldnt have played there? Come on.

I wouldn't be so sure- if Amar'e only had a $100mil offer from say the TWolves, or the 3 year deal with the Suns do you honestly think he'd take the Twolves deal? Players do sometimes take the situation into account- especially when they already have 1 max deal under their belt. Did you honestly fore see Chris Bosh of all people taking a pay cut to sign with Miami? Of course not.

Look- I'm not saying Melo will turn down the Nets, there's a good chance he will take the money option, I'm just saying it's not an automatic given- sometimes players do look at stuff other than money, and sometimes they'll risk making less if it means they're happy or can win.

Amare would be on the T-Wolves talking foolishness like Beasley. I dont expect someone to leave 40 million in guaranteed dollars on the table.

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9/24/2010  4:14 PM
If Anthony wants to be on a NY area team that will be able to compete against the best in the East while he is still in his prime, he plays out this season and signs with the Knicks in 2011. If he is willing to play in the shadow of MJ, he can play out this season and sign with the Bulls. He could also sign with the Nets as a FA.

In each of these cases the team he ends up on has not given up valuable assets to get him, and if he ends up on the Knicks or Bulls he is almost immediately on a semi-finals+ quality team, without having to wait to be banging heads with the Celts, Magic, and Heat in important games.

There is a reason why Chicago does not seem to be willing to give up Noah in a trade for Melo- taking one step back, and 1 or 1.5 steps forward does not exactly get you anywhere. The Knicks should be thinking the same way as far as not giving up Gallinari + Randolph for Melo, which would seem to be the only way to get him considering our lack of #1s, and Denver's comments about not wanting Gallo.

Hopefully Walsh is thinking the same way, and hopefully Anthony, who has the power to kill any trade by saying he will not sign an extension, shows some patience.

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9/24/2010  4:15 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:WTF would Melo be thinking to accept a trade to the Nets if they have Brook Lopez and Terrence Williams at best? No Harris, who's a good PG. No Favors. Sounds like he waaaaaaaaay cares more about the money than the basketball.

That's just assuming he would accept this trade. To me, his best move is to wait the year out and sign with the Knicks as a FA.

Devin Harris is Jamal Crawford. Only difference is Crawford is a better shooter and Harris is a better finisher. In either case dumping Harris's 10 million is beneficial to their 2011 cap space.

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9/24/2010  4:17 PM
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Amare would be on the T-Wolves talking foolishness like Beasley. I dont expect someone to leave 40 million in guaranteed dollars on the table.

Amare's favorite writer is the one who writes the dam checks.

Ha! I don't think he would, but then I say that because if I were in his situation, I wouldn't sign with the Twolves just for money. I guess that makes me better than him

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9/24/2010  4:18 PM
Paladin55 wrote:If Anthony wants to be on a NY area team that will be able to compete against the best in the East while he is still in his prime, he plays out this season and signs with the Knicks in 2011. If he is willing to play in the shadow of MJ, he can play out this season and sign with the Bulls. He could also sign with the Nets as a FA.

In each of these cases the team he ends up on has not given up valuable assets to get him, and if he ends up on the Knicks or Bulls he is almost immediately on a semi-finals+ quality team, without having to wait to be banging heads with the Celts, Magic, and Heat in important games.

There is a reason why Chicago does not seem to be willing to give up Noah in a trade for Melo- taking one step back, and 1 or 1.5 steps forward does not exactly get you anywhere. The Knicks should be thinking the same way as far as not giving up Gallinari + Randolph for Melo, which would seem to be the only way to get him considering our lack of #1s, and Denver's comments about not wanting Gallo.

Hopefully Walsh is thinking the same way, and hopefully Anthony, who has the power to kill any trade by saying he will not sign an extension, shows some patience.

Chicago is trying to dump Deng on Denver and Denver isn't having it. If Denver was stupid enough to take Deng then Noah would be sent along with him.

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9/24/2010  4:20 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:WTF would Melo be thinking to accept a trade to the Nets if they have Brook Lopez and Terrence Williams at best? No Harris, who's a good PG. No Favors. Sounds like he waaaaaaaaay cares more about the money than the basketball.

That's just assuming he would accept this trade. To me, his best move is to wait the year out and sign with the Knicks as a FA.

Devin Harris is Jamal Crawford. Only difference is Crawford is a better shooter and Harris is a better finisher. In either case dumping Harris's 10 million is beneficial to their 2011 cap space.

Harris gets to the free throw line a lot more often than Crawford. Harris is a lot better than Crawford if both are being relied upon to be the first option in the offense. Crawford in Atlanta is in the perfect spot for him right now. Harris needs to find a situation where he isn't the first option and his shooting numbers will look better.

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9/24/2010  4:22 PM
We better start praying Gallo and Chandler become stars. This is bad news for KNicks if Melo does go to the Nets. This is actually worse than losing out on LeBron, Wade for the simple reason he wanted the Knicks and NY and the Knicks weren't able to pull a deal together.
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9/24/2010  4:25 PM
Vmart wrote:We better start praying Gallo and Chandler become stars. This is bad news for KNicks if Melo does go to the Nets. This is actually worse than losing out on LeBron, Wade for the simple reason he wanted the Knicks and NY and the Knicks weren't able to pull a deal together.

it's better for the knicks. we'd give up players and chemistry that may well prove more successful than having melo in the mix. if dwade or his wife had come here we'd only be out picks and hill. Plus they’re both MUCH better players.

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9/24/2010  4:26 PM
Marv wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:WTF would Melo be thinking to accept a trade to the Nets if they have Brook Lopez and Terrence Williams at best? No Harris, who's a good PG. No Favors. Sounds like he waaaaaaaaay cares more about the money than the basketball.

That's just assuming he would accept this trade. To me, his best move is to wait the year out and sign with the Knicks as a FA.

there's no way he's gonna want to play in denver this year. 41 home games of denver fans treating him like cleveland fans are gonna treat lebron on his returns there. his wife having to listen to crap. people hassling him everywhere he goes. no one wants that.

A different perspective which I had not considered.

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9/24/2010  4:35 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
Marv wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:WTF would Melo be thinking to accept a trade to the Nets if they have Brook Lopez and Terrence Williams at best? No Harris, who's a good PG. No Favors. Sounds like he waaaaaaaaay cares more about the money than the basketball.

That's just assuming he would accept this trade. To me, his best move is to wait the year out and sign with the Knicks as a FA.

there's no way he's gonna want to play in denver this year. 41 home games of denver fans treating him like cleveland fans are gonna treat lebron on his returns there. his wife having to listen to crap. people hassling him everywhere he goes. no one wants that.

A different perspective which I had not considered.

wee bit awkward no? trying to think of a real life situation that would be similar...

maybe like..mom n dad staying together for the kids but they hate each other and sleep in seperate beds?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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9/24/2010  4:44 PM
Marv wrote:
Vmart wrote:We better start praying Gallo and Chandler become stars. This is bad news for KNicks if Melo does go to the Nets. This is actually worse than losing out on LeBron, Wade for the simple reason he wanted the Knicks and NY and the Knicks weren't able to pull a deal together.

it's better for the knicks. we'd give up players and chemistry that may well prove more successful than having melo in the mix. if dwade or his wife had come here we'd only be out picks and hill. Plus they’re both MUCH better players.

Its not better for the Knicks Marv. Not being able to land a superstar that wants to be on your team is a giant failure. Melo locks the Knicks into a guaranteed playoffs. I like the team the Knicks currently have but I'm not gonna fool myself into thinking Melo isn't this and that, that is stupidity on our parts to say something like that. Everyone on this board knows he makes the Knicks better some are just to stubborn to admit it. He makes the Knicks an automatic 50 win team which they currently are not. We are going to regret this its not sky is falling or anything like that all this move is going to make the Nets a better team and another team that the Knicks have to compete against for a playoff spot.

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9/24/2010  4:46 PM
We dont need to be involved in every trade or scenario. Just because the guy wants to come here, or says he does. Knicks will have size, youth and a winning team next summer with a player friendly coach who runs a fun uptempo system. A lot of players are going to want to come here and we will be big FA players, OR we can take big salary back in a trade if a guy tries to force his way out.

I think we are right where we are supposed to be. Starting a promising year but still with loads of options next offseason

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