fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TMS wrote:

fishmike wrote:I dont think you guys have much to worry about.

You look at DW's history and the kind of guy he is and I think your OK. DW is the anti-knee jerk. He is slow and methodical and all about opportunity. If it was Isiah he would have already packaged AR/Gallo/Chandler/Douglas and Turiaf + every pick the league will let us trade for Carmello.

the same guy that made the T-Mac trade to clear $9M in salary before he even knew what was going to happen during the summer is the guy you're calling an anti knee jerk GM? it's a good thing we don't have to clear salary to sign Melo next summer.

You still crying about that trade? Wow... ok then. Here we go.
yes.. anti knee jerk. He waited until the deadline to make that happen so obviously he tried other venues, and even admitted it was a financial move and one he didnt like to make.

He want space for 2 max guys. The thought was the added flexibility would yield better profits. How is that knee jerk? In the end that trade allowed us to get the GS players back, or to get Felton. Take your pick, either way it was worth it my opinion.

Every move is a gamble. Anytime you give something up its a gamble. TMac was garbage. That part of the gamble failed. The added flexibility? That part of the gamble worked out quite well.

- The point is Walsh still made the trade. Doesnt matter if her waited until the 25th hour to do it.

- Having space for 2 Max deals VERSUS having space for 1 max and assets to S&T for the other. Walsh had another option and chose wrong.

what assets to sign and trade for another? We had to let Lee walk for nothing to sign a max FA. That extra space allowed us to get the GS players. Or it allowed us to give Felton $7mm. One or other... take your pick.

He gave away a pick and a garbage player for cap space to get more talent or better players. He got more talent and better players. I'm missing where that trade failed.

- Walsh traded a lottery pick, a 2011 swap, and a 2012 pick for Cap space

- In a S&T we could have included the assets we traded away to Houston. Plus the added benefit of reduced risk of getting burned.

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TMS wrote:

fishmike wrote:I dont think you guys have much to worry about.

You look at DW's history and the kind of guy he is and I think your OK. DW is the anti-knee jerk. He is slow and methodical and all about opportunity. If it was Isiah he would have already packaged AR/Gallo/Chandler/Douglas and Turiaf + every pick the league will let us trade for Carmello.

the same guy that made the T-Mac trade to clear $9M in salary before he even knew what was going to happen during the summer is the guy you're calling an anti knee jerk GM? it's a good thing we don't have to clear salary to sign Melo next summer.

You still crying about that trade? Wow... ok then. Here we go.
yes.. anti knee jerk. He waited until the deadline to make that happen so obviously he tried other venues, and even admitted it was a financial move and one he didnt like to make.

He want space for 2 max guys. The thought was the added flexibility would yield better profits. How is that knee jerk? In the end that trade allowed us to get the GS players back, or to get Felton. Take your pick, either way it was worth it my opinion.

Every move is a gamble. Anytime you give something up its a gamble. TMac was garbage. That part of the gamble failed. The added flexibility? That part of the gamble worked out quite well.

- The point is Walsh still made the trade. Doesnt matter if her waited until the 25th hour to do it.

- Having space for 2 Max deals VERSUS having space for 1 max and assets to S&T for the other. Walsh had another option and chose wrong.

what assets to sign and trade for another? We had to let Lee walk for nothing to sign a max FA. That extra space allowed us to get the GS players. Or it allowed us to give Felton $7mm. One or other... take your pick.

He gave away a pick and a garbage player for cap space to get more talent or better players. He got more talent and better players. I'm missing where that trade failed.

- Walsh traded a lottery pick, a 2011 swap, and a 2012 pick for Cap space

- In a S&T we could have included the assets we traded away to Houston. Plus the added benefit of reduced risk of getting burned.

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TMS wrote:

fishmike wrote:I dont think you guys have much to worry about.

You look at DW's history and the kind of guy he is and I think your OK. DW is the anti-knee jerk. He is slow and methodical and all about opportunity. If it was Isiah he would have already packaged AR/Gallo/Chandler/Douglas and Turiaf + every pick the league will let us trade for Carmello.

the same guy that made the T-Mac trade to clear $9M in salary before he even knew what was going to happen during the summer is the guy you're calling an anti knee jerk GM? it's a good thing we don't have to clear salary to sign Melo next summer.

You still crying about that trade? Wow... ok then. Here we go.
yes.. anti knee jerk. He waited until the deadline to make that happen so obviously he tried other venues, and even admitted it was a financial move and one he didnt like to make.

He want space for 2 max guys. The thought was the added flexibility would yield better profits. How is that knee jerk? In the end that trade allowed us to get the GS players back, or to get Felton. Take your pick, either way it was worth it my opinion.

Every move is a gamble. Anytime you give something up its a gamble. TMac was garbage. That part of the gamble failed. The added flexibility? That part of the gamble worked out quite well.

- The point is Walsh still made the trade. Doesnt matter if her waited until the 25th hour to do it.

- Having space for 2 Max deals VERSUS having space for 1 max and assets to S&T for the other. Walsh had another option and chose wrong.

what assets to sign and trade for another? We had to let Lee walk for nothing to sign a max FA. That extra space allowed us to get the GS players. Or it allowed us to give Felton $7mm. One or other... take your pick.

He gave away a pick and a garbage player for cap space to get more talent or better players. He got more talent and better players. I'm missing where that trade failed.

- Walsh traded a lottery pick, a 2011 swap, and a 2012 pick for Cap space

- In a S&T we could have included the assets we traded away to Houston. Plus the added benefit of reduced risk of getting burned.

so your suggesting that Pho would have traded us Aamre and taken JJ and a pick back? I dont think so. The only thing that gets some of these teams to play ball is that you can sign guys outright. When you have the cap space all you need is the player to commit. Otherwise you need the other team to play ball and most arent enthusiastic about helping you sign their good FAs. Going to have to disagree with you again on this one (sorry TMS)

Im saying we wouldnt have needed Amare. We signed Amare to try to lure another star. If we struck out we could have still done the David Lee deal.

We'd have Jordan Hill, Anthony Randolph, and Gallinari to go along with cap space. Most importantly we'd have our picks in 2011 and 2012. That is what I call rebuilding.

There always seems to be a little snip on stock message boards who come in with a contrarian view and 90% of the time I love to see them snivel away wagging their tail and licking their wounds. Its almost as gratifying as making the $. This is the same thing--my bet is this team is WAY better than you are purporting--I think the potential for 50 wins BUT more importantly a year of chemistry to get better and to see where we are. Im in the business of being right--and guess what son-- i usually am:)

BRIGGS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TMS wrote:

fishmike wrote:I dont think you guys have much to worry about.

You look at DW's history and the kind of guy he is and I think your OK. DW is the anti-knee jerk. He is slow and methodical and all about opportunity. If it was Isiah he would have already packaged AR/Gallo/Chandler/Douglas and Turiaf + every pick the league will let us trade for Carmello.

the same guy that made the T-Mac trade to clear $9M in salary before he even knew what was going to happen during the summer is the guy you're calling an anti knee jerk GM? it's a good thing we don't have to clear salary to sign Melo next summer.

You still crying about that trade? Wow... ok then. Here we go.
yes.. anti knee jerk. He waited until the deadline to make that happen so obviously he tried other venues, and even admitted it was a financial move and one he didnt like to make.

He want space for 2 max guys. The thought was the added flexibility would yield better profits. How is that knee jerk? In the end that trade allowed us to get the GS players back, or to get Felton. Take your pick, either way it was worth it my opinion.

Every move is a gamble. Anytime you give something up its a gamble. TMac was garbage. That part of the gamble failed. The added flexibility? That part of the gamble worked out quite well.

- The point is Walsh still made the trade. Doesnt matter if her waited until the 25th hour to do it.

- Having space for 2 Max deals VERSUS having space for 1 max and assets to S&T for the other. Walsh had another option and chose wrong.

what assets to sign and trade for another? We had to let Lee walk for nothing to sign a max FA. That extra space allowed us to get the GS players. Or it allowed us to give Felton $7mm. One or other... take your pick.

He gave away a pick and a garbage player for cap space to get more talent or better players. He got more talent and better players. I'm missing where that trade failed.

- Walsh traded a lottery pick, a 2011 swap, and a 2012 pick for Cap space

- In a S&T we could have included the assets we traded away to Houston. Plus the added benefit of reduced risk of getting burned.

so your suggesting that Pho would have traded us Aamre and taken JJ and a pick back? I dont think so. The only thing that gets some of these teams to play ball is that you can sign guys outright. When you have the cap space all you need is the player to commit. Otherwise you need the other team to play ball and most arent enthusiastic about helping you sign their good FAs. Going to have to disagree with you again on this one (sorry TMS)

Im saying we wouldnt have needed Amare. We signed Amare to try to lure another star. If we struck out we could have still done the David Lee deal.

We'd have Jordan Hill, Anthony Randolph, and Gallinari to go along with cap space. Most importantly we'd have our picks in 2011 and 2012. That is what I call rebuilding.

There always seems to be a little snip on stock message boards who come in with a contrarian view and 90% of the time I love to see them snivel away wagging their tail and licking their wounds. Its almost as gratifying as making the $. This is the same thing--my bet is this team is WAY better than you are purporting--I think the potential for 50 wins BUT more importantly a year of chemistry to get better and to see where we are. Im in the business of being right--and guess what son-- i usually am:)

what stock boards are worth the time?

He was in the running for LeCon, in fact the fact "THe Decision was in Greenwich" might be LeCon was on the fence leaning towards NY.

After the fact, with 20/20 hindsight he regrets losing out, and naturally regrets the price paid to make the Capspace.

Fear of regret is no way to run a business. There is no winnig with out failure and somtimes you take your lumps but you have to move on.

If Carmelo really wants in, he will come to us.

What is so important in business is that you pay for what you believe the value is for your franchise. Amare was super important for us and it cost us money. Melo is not as important and his value to Donnie is based on what he feels he should pay for him or the makret will bear.

If he can get him for nothing, then he will wait.

There is back channeling going on and the Nuggs might be getting screwed. The posture of Melo and what he wants and when he wants it vs. the Nuggs getting value. OR not.

Melo is great at the right price.

tkf wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

tkf wrote:i AGREE..... we have a good looking team so far. Time to build a winner the right way...

curious, what is the right way?

It is a mixture, one that involves developing your own young talent, and acquiring other talent via FA... that is my idea of the right way. Not trying to build a team via the "starphuch" route, overpaying for flawed allstars..

Sure.. you might end up with a bloated payroll, but if your competing for a title who cares? Certainly the Knicks wouldnt

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

tkf wrote:i AGREE..... we have a good looking team so far. Time to build a winner the right way...

curious, what is the right way?

It is a mixture, one that involves developing your own young talent, and acquiring other talent via FA... that is my idea of the right way. Not trying to build a team via the "starphuch" route, overpaying for flawed allstars..

to me.. the right way, the BEST way was always to tank/draft/tank/draft so you build up some base of talented young players, hopefully a couple of guys will all star or franchise type potential. Then while your high talent guys are in their rookie contracts you use your cap space to sign some big guns. Then you can go over the cap when your guys are due for their big contracts.

Sure.. you might end up with a bloated payroll, but if your competing for a title who cares? Certainly the Knicks wouldnt

that seems to also be a crapshoot fish.. I just don't like the idea of tanking... read my sig... LOL... but I get your point here....haha

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Donnie Walsh was hired 2 years ago and this wil be his 3rd year running the team. He is going to have to start showing results eventually. Walsh knows his 2010 plan is essentially a failure because he threw away 2 years to get Amare and Anthony Randolph. If you factor in drafting Jordan Hill then you realize Walsh isnt sitting pretty right now.

If Walsh does trade Gallo and Randolph out of here what will you say then?

again... what was option B with those last 2 years? Build around Zach and Marbury and Crawford? Is that what Walsh was brought here for? You can hire a GM and say go get Lebron. His job was to clean out this mess and build a team on the fly. He targeted the 2010 FA class because veteran FAs like Felton and Amare mean you dont have to the additional 2-3 years after getting guys for them to grow.

Its pretty simple:
years 1-2 clean out mess
year 3 compete + make playoffs
year 4 use max cap space and flexibility to improve to upper echelon team
year 5 compete for a title

5 years dude..

This needs to happen next year, this should have been a 3 year process to begin with..

How? We all knew the ****ty contracts had to run out and it would take two years. D'antoni knew that going in.