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Vmart
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9/21/2010  8:54 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
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fishmike wrote:Curry + Marbury trades set this franchise back at least 5-6 years

Not dealing for Melo will set the team back another 4-5 years.

I don't think so. I really have a good feeling about how this roster is gonna work out. Not to mention that we will still have the cap space to improve after this year. Heck we might even get something done at the trade deadline. In any event, I think we'll be in good shape regardless of whether we get Melo or not. This is just a totally different situation. Without him I think this is still a playoff team. I think our only play is to hope he's serious about wanting to play here and that we get him after the season. I don't see how we could make a trade happen.

The idea that losing out on him would set us back 4-5 years seems way overstated. Are you of the opinion that this is a title team if we added Melo? I'm not so sure how good the team would be and just what we'd be able to do to add to the core of Felton, Amar'e, Melo and whatever would be left after a trade. I'd prefer to wait and see how things develop. We'd still have all of our young talent and the cap space & future Picks. That should be enough to find ways to improve the team in the future.

I do believe that this is a possible title team if Melo is added. There is no doubt in my mind that if Melo is on the team the Knicks will make it to the finals or be in the contention for it as an elite team on a yearly basis just as the team was with Ewing. If he comes here before the season starts great, at trade deadline great, if Melo comes here as a FA it would be ideal. But he has to be on the Knicks.

There are top 5 talented players but none are available to the Knicks. LBJ, Wade are locked up for 6 year. Kobe isn't going anywhere. Durant isn't going anywhere. That leaves Melo you got to get him on the Knicks by hook or crook. If that means giving up Gallo and AR you do it in a heartbeat. You will win more battles with Melo and Amare together than with Gallo, AR and Amare.

If you let Melo go to Nets, Bulls or Orlando you create a team that you have to hurdle. If the Nets get him they are in the mix for the playoffs now. It would be devastating if the Knicks didn't get Melo. I'm not saying the Knicks won't go to the playoffs. I do know that even thinking championship is out of the question.

Ok if you feel he's the piece that puts this team in title contention, that's fine, but how do we get him? It seems to me that Denver is gonna have some pretty enticing offers from NJ and maybe even Houston. How do we get them to take our less attractive offer? It's no lock that we can depend on Melo to force their hands. Tho I can't really see him preferring the Nets over the Knicks, it plausible that he could feel like that's close enough, with the Brooklyn move looming.



This is the deal I would offer. Gallo, AR, Curry. Two future top five protected picks and two GS second round picks.

This deal falls into the "Zeke Zone". You're trying to overwhelm the Nuggets, make them an offer they can't refuse. The bottom line here is that you're bidding against yourself. Patience, the only thing we have that won't gut this team, is in short supply.

Zeke zone. I'm not trading for Curry. I'm trading for a top player in the NBA. You talking a top 5 player. You can be overly patient and lose out. Players like Melo don't come in the market to often.

Top 5 at his position, but he's not top 5 overall..with the centers we have in this league today, Curry is a bonus at 80%...

Stop the hating. Everyone knows Melo is top 5. You are fooling yourself if you think he isn't. Even if he is top 10 he is worth it.

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9/21/2010  8:58 PM
If walsh loses out Im cool with it as he did not want to pay a certain price. I can respect that.

over pay like a fool is not in my admiration zone.

Sometimes you lose out. Thats ok too.

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9/21/2010  9:13 PM
Nalod wrote:If walsh loses out Im cool with it as he did not want to pay a certain price. I can respect that.

over pay like a fool is not in my admiration zone.

Sometimes you lose out. Thats ok too.

No its not OK to lose out. Its OK to lose out on second and third tier type players not top tier players. Walsh has to make Melo to NY happen or its a failure of grand proportions especially when the player wants to be on the Knicks. What you guys fail to understand and forget is that the current Knicks are all replaceable players except for Amare there are only a few Amare type players out there in the NBA. Same goes for Melo that is why you have to make it happen. The goal was and still is two superstars Walsh should not lose sight of the goal he set when he started the purging two years ago for 2010 free agency.

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9/21/2010  10:14 PM
Vmart wrote:
Nalod wrote:If walsh loses out Im cool with it as he did not want to pay a certain price. I can respect that.

over pay like a fool is not in my admiration zone.

Sometimes you lose out. Thats ok too.

No its not OK to lose out. Its OK to lose out on second and third tier type players not top tier players. Walsh has to make Melo to NY happen or its a failure of grand proportions especially when the player wants to be on the Knicks. What you guys fail to understand and forget is that the current Knicks are all replaceable players except for Amare there are only a few Amare type players out there in the NBA. Same goes for Melo that is why you have to make it happen. The goal was and still is two superstars Walsh should not lose sight of the goal he set when he started the purging two years ago for 2010 free agency.

I think Walsh went all in on the McGrady trade and that is part of the reason he doesn't have the assets to get Melo without giving up too much. I think if Denver trades Anthony they will come away with a lot including at least one already established young star. The Knicks have some players with tremendous potential but they don't have the guy that makes a deal that Denver jumps at unless they give up too much in my opinion.
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9/21/2010  10:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/21/2010  10:37 PM
Vmart wrote:
Nalod wrote:If walsh loses out Im cool with it as he did not want to pay a certain price. I can respect that.

over pay like a fool is not in my admiration zone.

Sometimes you lose out. Thats ok too.

No its not OK to lose out. Its OK to lose out on second and third tier type players not top tier players. Walsh has to make Melo to NY happen or its a failure of grand proportions especially when the player wants to be on the Knicks. What you guys fail to understand and forget is that the current Knicks are all replaceable players except for Amare there are only a few Amare type players out there in the NBA. Same goes for Melo that is why you have to make it happen. The goal was and still is two superstars Walsh should not lose sight of the goal he set when he started the purging two years ago for 2010 free agency.

What kinda of deal is walsh passing up, we hve NOTHING denver wants, or just simply not enough..

We have 3 to 4 players worth late 1st rnd picks, AR, TD, Gallo, chandler....Walker and Fields are 2nd rnd picks at best...
Curry is our best bargin chip by far.

But here's another reason to hate LBJ, had he made his decision a few days earlier, then perhaps David Lee, chandler and curry, along with the 2014 1st rnd pick, would have gotten us mello and a throw in..
Since Melo is not a FA, we really don't know if a title is more important then happiness..The only way that denver gets what they really want, is if they deal with a sucky team thats rebuilding, and have at least one proven young star. Simular to a steph curry, westbrook, rondo (caliber type)


Denver is surely going to want Brook Lopez and favors in any deal..trust me, the nets look at lopez as there franchise big man in a league that is really short on true Centers, especially a face up shooting center.

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