Iggy is a 6'6-6'7 wing who is among the most athletic in the league. He's a top flight defender against 2s and 3s. He's got a great handle and is great at making plays and finding the open shooter for easy assists. He's a guy who can make it hard on Kobe, Pierce, Lebron, Joe Johnson... whoever your facing in your 7 game series.

I dont know how good Felton will be or how good Mosgov will be. Chandler is a rotation player and would be perfect off the bench because he can play some 2,3 and even 4 for stretches. He's only an OK defender (he tries hard which is good). He's got a really poor handle and court vision and that holds him back. Not sure thats something you learn.

Vmart wrote:

iSergio wrote:

martin wrote:

iSergio wrote:

izybx wrote:

iSergio wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:The Knick fan has become so accustomed to losing that he is afraid he may take a step back. Sorry guys I too want to wait for Melo but if we have to pull the trigger on a deal for him we must do it. Like Sergio said we were suppose to be an elite team by the time 2010-2011 season started. We can't continue to be patient and wait for next year and again wait another year. In 3-4 years anything can happen Amare can be done, Gallo may not be as good as we think or same with AR. Its time to get proven being Knicks fans we have become overly patient. I like the idea of rebuilding but rebuilding passed me by in 2006. Walsh has to make Melo into reality for the Knicks there is no beating around the bush. I truely have faith in Walsh to make it happen.

huh? this year?

That is right this year. We didn't clear cap space to hang around the 7-8 seed in the playoffs. All chip were in Walsh wanted two superstars which was plan A. Then he turned to plan B try to make lemonade out of lemons.

FINALLY someone else admits this!!!

People here still refuse to admit that Donnie Walsh would have signed Joe Johnson to the MAX over trading for Anthony Randolph. The goal was to get 2 Stars. That's why we cleared cap for 2 Stars. Not to acquire 20 year old prospects and hope they turn into Stars in 3-4 years - which they won't because they don't have Star talent!

How do you know that Donnie would have given Joe Johnson the max?

They met with Joe Johnson July 1st and did offer the MAX. Johnson decided to take the extra money and stay in Atlanta.

They met with Joe Johnson. That's it.

And we offered a MAX contract.

They put a max contract on the table for Johnson. He took the Money and extra year with Atlanta. Knicks plans were LBJ & Bosh, LBJ & Johnson, LBJ & Amare. Wade & Bosh, Wade & Amare, Amare & Johnson but Johnson already decided to go with Atlanta. And the three Amigos we know what happened. Kicks did offer a contract to Johnson but the extra year was to much for him to give up.

Knixkik wrote:Adding Johnson with Stoudemire would have definitely made us a 50-win team, probably along the same line as Chicago. While we wouldn't have been happy with Johnson for the max, he would have made us a much better team. Parker would do the same, only we should be able to get him for much less money. He might not be as big of a star at this point, but is the same age, a proven winner, and at a much more important position. I'm sure we will all be happy signing him for a 4-5 year contract that averages between 12-14 million per year.

Woah. I would much rather pay Iggy for the remainder of his contract than sign Tony Parker to that contract.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:Tony Parker is a really good player, and could go from an all star to superstar under in this system. As a PG his age is fine... 28? 29? I'm fine with that. However I do agree to wait and see what we have with Felton. Felton's defense really improved to become one of the better defensive players under Larry Brown. He's very fast and really looks great pushing the ball. If he can run the P&R with Amare then we have a real keeper and a guy who probably makes an all star game or two before all is said and done. When you look at how well Duhon played his first year under MDA then you have to pretty excited about what Felton brings to the table.

Myself... I'm luke warm, but years of going from Shanvis Eisleyspoon to Jerome Currybury have tempered my expectations.

My gut feeling is that Felton plays very well, maybe not superstar, but a very solid player on both ends. I think the upgrade would need to be at SG. Iggy would look great.

You say shyt like Iggy, that's why I say don't lose credibility. Iggy doesn't fit a need for the Knicks he is actually a worse shooter than Chandler. MDA needs a sg that can shoot it. Stretch the floor Iggy doesn't do that teams dare him to shoot the ball from outside. I don't doubt Iggy's game he has a nice game. I like Chandler at sg over Iggy.

As for Tony Parker I wouldn't mind him on the Knicks but Felton is here and let see what Felton can gives the Knicks. I think Felton will be pretty decent. I'm not expecting Paul or even Parker but a good solid pg that gets it done.

Love iggy. dunno if he fits an MDA team.

Felton is kinda tough to rank this season.

12 PGs I think will def. have a better season (if healthy of course)

Chris Paul
Steve Nash
Deron Williams
Rondo
Derrick Rose
Jason Kidd
Stephen Curry
Baron Davis
Westbrook
Jameer Nelson
Tyreke Evans
Tony Parker

The jury is out. Will Felton be better than these 11:

John Wall
Chauncey Billups
Darren Collison
Brandon Jennings
Devin Harris?
Jrue Holliday?
Jose Calderon?
Mo Williams?
Rodney Stuckey?
Aaron Brooks
Andre Miller

Felton is better than 6 pgs:

Mike Bibby (at this point in his career)
Dj Augustin
Derek Fisher (i hope)
Mike Conley
Mario Chalmers
Luke Ridnour

Kinda crazy huh? 30 teams in the league and you can't really have an off night in terms of who you're guarding except against maybe 6 teams.

You could make an argument that Felton is an average/below average starting PG if you can pick 3 out of 11 in the middle group who u think will have a better season than him and arguments could be made for Collison, Jennings and Billups/Harris.

Knixkik wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Adding Johnson with Stoudemire would have definitely made us a 50-win team, probably along the same line as Chicago. While we wouldn't have been happy with Johnson for the max, he would have made us a much better team. Parker would do the same, only we should be able to get him for much less money. He might not be as big of a star at this point, but is the same age, a proven winner, and at a much more important position. I'm sure we will all be happy signing him for a 4-5 year contract that averages between 12-14 million per year.

Woah. I would much rather pay Iggy for the remainder of his contract than sign Tony Parker to that contract.

We could feasibly afford both in the near future, but if i had to choose one, it would be Parker even if it is for more money. I know he's older and more injury prone, but a player like him does not become available often. Players like Paul, Williams, and other top young PGs just don't become available so getting a slightly older top PG is well worth it, especially one with all of his accomplishments. And this isn't Billups, Nash, or Kidd we are talking about, he is still just 28. Iggy is the type of player that becomes available each summer and especially each deadline. But i would be very interested regardless.

Tony Parker is quick as hell and his jumper has gotten a ton better since he came in to the league.
That being said he is older, has injury history and I'm not sure he's a top young PG anymore.

"Iggy is the type of player that becomes available each summer"

Strongly disagree. With this summer being an exception who was the Iggy available last summer?

He was an albatross for a while because of his contract but the closer that contract gets to ending the better and better he looks. Iggy doesn't have the gaudy point totals of a Melo but he's pretty dang valuable.

Try it out.

Pick any measure, warp, player rating on ESPN fantasy,

even something super crude like Pts + reb + assists + steals + blocks

and you'll find over the last few seasons Iggy is pretty damn valuable.

loweyecue wrote:

fishmike wrote:the fastest way to becoming an elite team is by combining playmaking with size, shooting, athleticism and depth. When you can get easier shots than the other team and your bigger than they are you have a pretty good chance of winning EVERY night.

Iggy is a 6'6-6'7 wing who is among the most athletic in the league. He's a top flight defender against 2s and 3s. He's got a great handle and is great at making plays and finding the open shooter for easy assists. He's a guy who can make it hard on Kobe, Pierce, Lebron, Joe Johnson... whoever your facing in your 7 game series.

I dont know how good Felton will be or how good Mosgov will be. Chandler is a rotation player and would be perfect off the bench because he can play some 2,3 and even 4 for stretches. He's only an OK defender (he tries hard which is good). He's got a really poor handle and court vision and that holds him back. Not sure thats something you learn.

I am good with this assuming we don't get Melo in a trade.

C Randolph, PF Amare, SF Gallo, SG Iggy, PG Parker

fishmike wrote:Anyone that wants Melo cant bitch about JJ because JJ is just as good a player

ridiculous

TMS wrote:

iSergio wrote:

arkrud wrote:It's time to stop looking at savors, as there are non, and start building The Team.
We have a good start and it will take another 3-4 years to get to the top if we will not start starpunching again.
Melo, Tony, CP3... Knicks fans are always ready to sell the house for one name.
Gambling is exiting but you will go broke regardless.

I'm not waiting 3-4 more years. In 3-4 more years, Amar'e Stoudemire will be 33-34 years old. Some here act like there is something wrong with "starphucking". I'd take a team like Miami A BILLION times over the crap we currently have.

seriously i think some of these guys would rather keep hovering in limbo than be good... we just got done waiting 10 years to field a competitive team & we still have guys talking about waiting another 3-4 years... ridiculous... we just spent a ton of cash bringing in players so we could be good again... now is the time to go for it if there's a chance to attain another star... enough w/the waiting game already.

knickstorrents wrote:I'd like to see Felton play out the year first.. it's not clear to me that Parker is big enough of an upgrade to bother going after. Felton is a warrior and does not get injured, which is not the case with Parker either.

CP3 is another story.

who will likely play in international competition next season. I swear, if I was a team, I would put a no international play clause in the contract because so many of these guys get injured. Park and Ginobli are good examples.

1. I'd wait to see a year of Raymond Felton before spending on Parker.

2. Wouldn't you most want to find a 2 guard with a 3pt shot that would fit MDA's system?

It seems that the most uncertainty on this squad are at 2 and 5.

fishmike wrote:

TMS wrote:

iSergio wrote:

arkrud wrote:It's time to stop looking at savors, as there are non, and start building The Team.
We have a good start and it will take another 3-4 years to get to the top if we will not start starpunching again.
Melo, Tony, CP3... Knicks fans are always ready to sell the house for one name.
Gambling is exiting but you will go broke regardless.

I'm not waiting 3-4 more years. In 3-4 more years, Amar'e Stoudemire will be 33-34 years old. Some here act like there is something wrong with "starphucking". I'd take a team like Miami A BILLION times over the crap we currently have.

seriously i think some of these guys would rather keep hovering in limbo than be good... we just got done waiting 10 years to field a competitive team & we still have guys talking about waiting another 3-4 years... ridiculous... we just spent a ton of cash bringing in players so we could be good again... now is the time to go for it if there's a chance to attain another star... enough w/the waiting game already.

funny because you didnt want to trade for Kevin Garnett because it would have meant including Channing Frye a couple years ago.

funny because you are completely wrong & need to get your facts straight fish... i was the one saying people were stupid for not wanting to trade for a guy like KG & give up "untouchable assets" like David Lee... i'm sure you remember David Lee, he's the guy you said we would be absolutely stupid not to resign to a contract extension last summer

but nice try... keep fishing, maybe you'll come up with a legitimate point this time.

fishmike wrote:

TMS wrote:

fishmike wrote:Anyone that wants Melo cant bitch about JJ because JJ is just as good a player

ridiculous

not really no. JJ is a 4 time all star, one of the best non PG playmakers in the league, and MUCH better defensive player than Melo. Melo looks great next to Billups, Nene, KMart (healthy), Iverson... cause thats the only year he's ever advanced in the playoffs. I cant ever remember a player being so vastly overrated here.

He's a good player and a scorer. What does he do that translates to winning games that JJ doesnt do? Melo's awesome. Every spring he finds a way to be the 2nd best player on the court.

He's good.. but the only asset I'm giving up to get him is cap space. No need to give up much else. We have max cap space again next year. If we need to find a volume scorer we can address that next summer

i love listening to you bash on Carmelo Anthony... next summer you'll be riding his jock like there's no tomorrow.