nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:This is a share the ball offense. Its ridiculous to have a keep the ball point guard. Yes he can score. Yes he can shoot it, but the dude is inept at the position that we need him to play. He's better off being a shooting guard for us off the bench than anything else and that leaves us needing a backup PG.

I get what you mean with Barbosa, but they never really liked him in that system either. If you watch TD, he's just not a natural ball distributor. He doesn't do it well at all and I don't know if you can really teach someone (other than Chauncey) how to have court vision.

Man I have been saying this forever,TD was a scorer in college, dude avg like 3 ast as a sg/pg..

Thats the resaon he rode the pine for much of the season, he has no pg skills, (didn't show much improvement in SL either) or very little at best, and although he has great toughness, size will always play a factor in him playing the sg postion for any real stretch. The guards in the league are just as strong and much taller (avg 6 5" in height) he's a target when he plays that position..His going to have to play exceptionally well to gain more then 12 minute period.

Now come on. We'll obviously play another guard when he's out there that can pass at the SG spot size wise. It's one reason we have guys like Mason & Rautins and why there was interest in Joe Johnson. I think some of us are really underestimating the creativity and know how of a coach like Mike. He's one of the top offensive minds in the game period. He's gonna figure out the best way to use the really good talent we have on this roster. TD is a weapon like Nate just more under control. It's perfectly fine to run a Combo guard off the bench.

As someone else brought up, despite what many believe this is not an offense where you need the PG to be ball dominant. It's designed to make quick hits, meaning the ball is given up early.

From the Book 7 Seconds or less:

Here are the principles of the “7 seconds of less” offense:

1. There are good shots and better shots.

2. It takes only one second to make an extra pass to the player
who is more wide-open and better prepared to release his shot in
rhythm.

3. We want an open shot most of the time.

4. This offense has several plays that are very similar, but each
has a slight variation. You should always receive an open shot
with these sets.

5. You play offense before the defense can get set, that is the
value of the up-tempo game.

6. If you play fast then you will be a low-turnover team and not
high-turnover team. If you don’t throw too many passes then you
can’t throw it away as much.

It isn’t all X’s and O’s:

1. You must get the players to have undying self-confidence in
what they are running and how they will tire down their opponent.

2. It is D’Antoni’s belief that coaches must devise a game plan
that they know and that they know everything about what their
opponent will do. Players don’t have to know everything. It slows
them down.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:This is a share the ball offense. Its ridiculous to have a keep the ball point guard. Yes he can score. Yes he can shoot it, but the dude is inept at the position that we need him to play. He's better off being a shooting guard for us off the bench than anything else and that leaves us needing a backup PG.

I get what you mean with Barbosa, but they never really liked him in that system either. If you watch TD, he's just not a natural ball distributor. He doesn't do it well at all and I don't know if you can really teach someone (other than Chauncey) how to have court vision.

Man I have been saying this forever,TD was a scorer in college, dude avg like 3 ast as a sg/pg..

Thats the resaon he rode the pine for much of the season, he has no pg skills, (didn't show much improvement in SL either) or very little at best, and although he has great toughness, size will always play a factor in him playing the sg postion for any real stretch. The guards in the league are just as strong and much taller (avg 6 5" in height) he's a target when he plays that position..His going to have to play exceptionally well to gain more then 12 minute period.

Now come on. We'll obviously play another guard when he's out there that can pass at the SG spot size wise. It's one reason we have guys like Mason & Rautins and why there was interest in Joe Johnson. I think some of us are really underestimating the creativity and know how of a coach like Mike. He's one of the top offensive minds in the game period. He's gonna figure out the best way to use the really good talent we have on this roster. TD is a weapon like Nate just more under control. It's perfectly fine to run a Combo guard off the bench.

As someone else brought up, despite what many believe this is not an offense where you need the PG to be ball dominant. It's designed to make quick hits, meaning the ball is given up early.

From the Book 7 Seconds or less:

Here are the principles of the “7 seconds of less” offense:

1. There are good shots and better shots.

2. It takes only one second to make an extra pass to the player
who is more wide-open and better prepared to release his shot in
rhythm.

3. We want an open shot most of the time.

4. This offense has several plays that are very similar, but each
has a slight variation. You should always receive an open shot
with these sets.

5. You play offense before the defense can get set, that is the
value of the up-tempo game.

6. If you play fast then you will be a low-turnover team and not
high-turnover team. If you don’t throw too many passes then you
can’t throw it away as much.

It isn’t all X’s and O’s:

1. You must get the players to have undying self-confidence in
what they are running and how they will tire down their opponent.

2. It is D’Antoni’s belief that coaches must devise a game plan
that they know and that they know everything about what their
opponent will do. Players don’t have to know everything. It slows
them down.

That is a great excuse for not preparing your team, coaching, making adjustments or preparing for individual opponents and watching game film. Up to this point it only works when you have an mvp hof point guard running with two or three other perennial all stars whose talent and b-ball iq is so high that they can overcome lack of preperation on most nights. It worked for four years with Nash and failed miserably for the four years he coached without Nash. Hopefully this year no opposing coaches comment that the Knicks won't be ready for an adjustment they made several games prior to playing the Knicks because D'Antoni doesn't watch films on opponents.

Mike is not a product of Nash and he's going to prove that this year. Nash is a great player but Mike is a very innovative coach in his own right and his approach isn't the same as most coaches, but it can be very effective. You don't need a Nash to be successful in this system.

Didn't get to really see what DWTDD until March/April and he started 5 with Walsh accompanying the
team on the March road trip and he surprised even d'Antoni.

In March
In March 14 9 28.5 0.464 0.456 0.774 0.9 2.2 3.1 3.6 1.2 0.1 12.7
In April 8 1 30.2 0.422 0.366 0.778 1.5 1.4 2.9 3.6 1.1 0.0 12.4

In his first start against Dallas TD blew up and though his points were high
he was very efficient. You keep saying ball-hoggin point guard I don't see that as a trend in his game.

SL is a bunch of guys been playing together how long? Other than Fields
the players didn't even seem to be on the same page yet he was constantly
talking to his teammates and it to me it appeared he was trying to help them

The guy busts his ass and leaves everything on the court. I remember watching hard screens set for him Some questionable yet not one Knick last year got the least bit bothered when TD got slammed on those. Not like anyone really seemed to be playing together.

Nobody can say they work harder. Yet you mouth more about TD at every oppurtunity and weigh in on each thread with his name.

Just STFU

JohnWallace44 wrote:

iSergio wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:Dude, Alien Head Sam was a really good passer. Plus he had that post up game. TD is nowhere near that type of player.

Douglas ruined Summer League for everyone on the Knicks squad because of his ball hogging ways and he was out there specifically to improve his PG skills!

Flynn for TD would be a great trade if the salaries matched. Maynor for TD would be nice. Those guys are pick and roll PG's stuck on teams that don't pick and roll and TD is a classic triangle point guard on a team that will never operate that way. Its not just the offense either. We don't have a 2guard who can initiate offense. That makes the TD problems even more magnified when you have him running point.

Toney Douglas will be fine. You were saying the same nonsense about Stephen Curry.

I said Stephen Curry has no court vision? Come on man. Curry's issue when he came out was that he was scrawny and that's still his issue.

You can't have an honest discussion about the Knicks when people are blinded by the jersey. Its plain as day that TD would be better in a Derek Fisher role in a triangle offense, and its also plain as day that we need a backup point if we're serious about contending. The next post is going to be someone telling me how Gallo can play the point when TD is in there. Do you want to pump yourself up or talk reality?

dude, did you really just imply that you cant contend if your backup pg is not a pass first wizard? I don't even KNOW who the backup PGs are for Boston, Lakers, Cleveland (last year), etc.

Backup?

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/post.asp?m=q&r=727924&t=34408&page=4

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/schedule.asp has links to all the game threads. I trust the
things I read there better than I do the papers.

BTW I think this would be TD's first official NBA record. He did this in his first start at PG
It would also be Largest team turnaround in a rook's first start. But he had started earlier with Duhon.

Edit note: I do not feel this violates anybody's rights since I don't save a local copy and add my own caption.

Olbrannon wrote:Prediction: TD will start at least once this year at both the one and the 2 guard for the Knicks.

You don't sit a guy that can give you 27 points in less than 31 minutes with 8 assists and plays D like Toney
This against Dallas where he primarily was on the floor when Kidd was. And he moves off the ball as well as any 2
the Knicks have and can get to the rim.