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CrushAlot
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9/3/2010  8:09 PM
iSergio wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Yeah this is a little ridiculous. I know Rudy has some upside, but putting him in the same deal as AR is an absolute joke. AR is a lottery pick with star upside, Rudy is a late first round pick with starter upside.


No, he isn't. And that's the problem. Some of you are being ridiculous with Anthony Randolph. He's not going to be a Star. He'll be a good role player if he stays healthy and accepts a role. Other teams know this.


Yes AR was a lottery pick, you can't change history. He also puts up very good, star like numbers in limited minutes. He also is a big and you generally don't trade big for small and in this case the Knicks would be giving up more talent and getting smaller.
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9/3/2010  11:36 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
iSergio wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Yeah this is a little ridiculous. I know Rudy has some upside, but putting him in the same deal as AR is an absolute joke. AR is a lottery pick with star upside, Rudy is a late first round pick with starter upside.


No, he isn't. And that's the problem. Some of you are being ridiculous with Anthony Randolph. He's not going to be a Star. He'll be a good role player if he stays healthy and accepts a role. Other teams know this.


Yes AR was a lottery pick, you can't change history. He also puts up very good, star like numbers in limited minutes. He also is a big and you generally don't trade big for small and in this case the Knicks would be giving up more talent and getting smaller.

AR's problem is that his talent was out ahead of his body and experience to handle it. As he matures and learns how to use the great gifts he has, that's when you'll see the consistency from him. It can't be overlooked how young he was coming in and how skinny he was. He just wasn't all the way there yet and still has some growing to do, but I don't think this kid is another Gerald Green type, that never lives up to the great physical talent he had.

Another good thing in his favor is that this is gonna be a good team he's on. A team with leaders. Young talent needs a great player to look up to and listen to. It looks like Amar'e is more than willing to take that job. Plus you also have Felton and Turiaf a worldly guy that brings a different perspective.
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9/4/2010  11:45 AM
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Now Portland can be reasonable--the teams that had interest in him all filled roster spots--you can wipe the Cs right out--so the team that I think is left is the Knicks who may have made an obscene offer of Chandler. Now is Walker and lottery protected # 1 in 2014 + the cash to cover Walkers contract enough or reasonable--maybe throw in a conditional 2<45 just to get a deal done. A lottery protected one a conditional 2 plus a young prospect is more than fair.

I think he'll end up in Chicago, as SG is still a weakness for them, and not only do they have their draft picks, but they also have the Bobcats 1st rounder too). They've already made a good offer for Rudy, more than any other team seems to be willing to trade, but the Blazers are playing games at the moment. They asked for a player and a pick so the Bulls offered them James Johnson and their 1st round pick, then Portland turned around and said they want Taj Gibson AND Charlottes 1st round pick- absolute jokers.

Alan Hahn said that Walsh has offered 2 2nd rounders (about what Rudy's value is at this point- and Walsh's hands are tied at the moment because he can't give away anything that Denver might want in a Carmelo trade, like our 2014 1st), so I think eventually the Blazers will have no choice but to take the Bulls offer as at least they get a 1st round pick out of it. I think Bill Walker for Rudy is fair value (his stats are better than Rudy's) and good for the Blazers but they won't see it that way.
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9/4/2010  4:28 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Portland just went and spent all that money on Wes Matthews--direct punch in the face to fernandez--they drafted guards--they have a bunch of depth--if you were Rudy--why wouldnt you ask to be traded if they signed a G long term over you? Just go to management and say I had a good time here but I really dont feel comfortable and wont be able to do my best--can we get a trade done?

Now Portland can be reasonable--the teams that had interest in him all filled roster spots--you can wipe the Cs right out--so the team that I think is left is the Knicks who may have made an obscene offer of Chandler. Now is Walker and lottery protected # 1 in 2014 + the cash to cover Walkers contract enough or reasonable--maybe throw in a conditional 2<45 just to get a deal done. A lottery protected one a conditional 2 plus a young prospect is more than fair.

wow. all that ur willing to give up for a career backup SG who hasnt posted anything worth getting excited over in his career but u give up only Wilson and garbage for Melo?

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9/4/2010  10:21 PM
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Portland just went and spent all that money on Wes Matthews--direct punch in the face to fernandez--they drafted guards--they have a bunch of depth--if you were Rudy--why wouldnt you ask to be traded if they signed a G long term over you? Just go to management and say I had a good time here but I really dont feel comfortable and wont be able to do my best--can we get a trade done?

Now Portland can be reasonable--the teams that had interest in him all filled roster spots--you can wipe the Cs right out--so the team that I think is left is the Knicks who may have made an obscene offer of Chandler. Now is Walker and lottery protected # 1 in 2014 + the cash to cover Walkers contract enough or reasonable--maybe throw in a conditional 2<45 just to get a deal done. A lottery protected one a conditional 2 plus a young prospect is more than fair.

wow. all that ur willing to give up for a career backup SG who hasnt posted anything worth getting excited over in his career but u give up only Wilson and garbage for Melo?

You're right---Denver is not going to trade us Fernadez for BIll Walker and two conditional picks one from round 2 and the other lottery protected. I know you want to give up Gallo Randolph Fields Chandler and 3 number 1 for Melo--but the Knicks arent doing that.

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9/4/2010  11:15 PM
tj23 wrote:
iSergio wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Yeah this is a little ridiculous. I know Rudy has some upside, but putting him in the same deal as AR is an absolute joke. AR is a lottery pick with star upside, Rudy is a late first round pick with starter upside.


No, he isn't. And that's the problem. Some of you are being ridiculous with Anthony Randolph. He's not going to be a Star. He'll be a good role player if he stays healthy and accepts a role. Other teams know this.


And everyone thinks AR is some defensive juggernaut lmao

He is in the mold of Odom and Camby, but stronger and much more skilled with the ball. He will be a special talent on D, not to mention the other side of the court.
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9/5/2010  6:24 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Portland just went and spent all that money on Wes Matthews--direct punch in the face to fernandez--they drafted guards--they have a bunch of depth--if you were Rudy--why wouldnt you ask to be traded if they signed a G long term over you? Just go to management and say I had a good time here but I really dont feel comfortable and wont be able to do my best--can we get a trade done?

Now Portland can be reasonable--the teams that had interest in him all filled roster spots--you can wipe the Cs right out--so the team that I think is left is the Knicks who may have made an obscene offer of Chandler. Now is Walker and lottery protected # 1 in 2014 + the cash to cover Walkers contract enough or reasonable--maybe throw in a conditional 2<45 just to get a deal done. A lottery protected one a conditional 2 plus a young prospect is more than fair.

wow. all that ur willing to give up for a career backup SG who hasnt posted anything worth getting excited over in his career but u give up only Wilson and garbage for Melo?

You're right---Denver is not going to trade us Fernadez for BIll Walker and two conditional picks one from round 2 and the other lottery protected. I know you want to give up Gallo Randolph Fields Chandler and 3 number 1 for Melo--but the Knicks arent doing that.

nice try but no... i would give up one of Gallo or AR, but not both... i've said that numerous times... but i know you feel that both of them are untouchable unless we were getting back Hassan Whiteside, in which case you'd give up the rights to the entire organization along with 20 future draft picks.

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9/5/2010  11:37 AM
Rudy can be solid in the NBA but TMS is right. He hasnt shown anything to us that would make me want to give up our young players. Maybe Bill Walker alone but thats all. However, I too also see Landry Fields as a guy who has real nice skillset along with athleticism, a work ethic and high bball iq/ character. Im not giving him up for such an underachiever (to this point) like Rudy.

Why not just see what we can do with our guys first, as I`ve been beeeeotching about all this time.

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9/5/2010  7:15 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
Panos wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:This is what i think of that trade

I hope that goalie got stabbed with a pen knife when he returned to his country.

I agree, although this was probably league soccer and not national teams.

Dude could not even think of a good way to throw a game. He made it too obvious. I wonder how much he got paid for that.

good way to look at that, you are probably right man.
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9/5/2010  7:23 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:Rudy can be solid in the NBA but TMS is right. He hasnt shown anything to us that would make me want to give up our young players. Maybe Bill Walker alone but thats all. However, I too also see Landry Fields as a guy who has real nice skillset along with athleticism, a work ethic and high bball iq/ character. Im not giving him up for such an underachiever (to this point) like Rudy.

Why not just see what we can do with our guys first, as I`ve been beeeeotching about all this time.

My problem with Rudy is that he's an incremental improvement, not the final piece to a title. So for me that guy isn't worth overpaying for. As much as i'm not that in favor of overpaying for Melo, at least an argument can be made that he could put you in title contention. There's rationale for a Melo deal where you give up a lot of assets. Portland doesn't even really want Rudy. That's not a good sign. They just want to make a sucker deal and i'm not biting.
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