crzymdups wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Some fail to consider that the Nets will have max space this summer. A core of Lopez, Horford, and Carmelo wouldnt be that bad. It depends on how Terrence Williams pans out.

some fail to add up salaries before making such a bold statement. Show us the math.

Also..if you pay Lopez/Horford/Melo..ur window is whenever Favors comes off his rookie contract and needs to get paid too

Favors would be going to Denver in that proposed trade.

And they'd have nary a playmaker on that entire squad.

which leaves the Nets in the same place we would be if we trade for Melo..hoping to luck into the last piece of the puzzle..except we don't own our draft picks for the next 2 drafts. yikes

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Some fail to consider that the Nets will have max space this summer. A core of Lopez, Horford, and Carmelo wouldnt be that bad. It depends on how Terrence Williams pans out.

some fail to add up salaries before making such a bold statement. Show us the math.

Let me rephrase. They will be able to offer a max deal to a RFA. Gasol, Stuckey, Horford, Noah, etc. No one else is worth the max. If you sign Gasol then you can move Lopez for a piece.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_jersey.htm

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Some fail to consider that the Nets will have max space this summer. A core of Lopez, Horford, and Carmelo wouldnt be that bad. It depends on how Terrence Williams pans out.

some fail to add up salaries before making such a bold statement. Show us the math.

Let me rephrase. They will be able to offer a max deal to a RFA. Gasol, Stuckey, Horford, Noah, etc. No one else is worth the max. If you sign Gasol then you can move Lopez for a piece.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_jersey.htm

dude, fail. Show me how NJ will have max contract space. You talking after they supposedly trade for Melo? Cause I dont see it adding up.

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:This was my argument--the COST!! The nets can give away 3 #1 picks like it was yesterdays news because they have 9 of them--so the cost to them is not as overwhelming as it would be to us--since we have no picks--it would cost us current assets--and once give up all that it would take--our team is Fd. For those who thought it was going top cost Chandler Gallo 2014--think again---throw in randolph Fields and GS picks + our 2014--that is a similar deal to 3 #1's favors and harris./

We have Amare eating up massive cap. So in order to capitalize on Amare's few remaining good years we need to bring him help NOW. Carmelo + Amare makes us a very good team in the East.

Knicks would be 4th best team in the East at the very best. Then your left with low draft picks and the MLE to improve your team and your stuck at 48-50 wins and getting bounced in round 2 every year. Wow... sign me up.

Gallo and AR are still in their rookie contracts next year. Felton is still cheap at $7mm if he blows up in the MDA system. Douglas is in his rookie deal. Your looking at max cap space next year if you let Chandler walk and build around a core of Felton/Douglas/AR/Gallo/Amare/Fields/Rautins/Mosgov. THATS how you build a title team. That core should be a playoff team next year. You have a chance to keep together your young players with all star potential and add another max/star guy, or use the cap space to trade for one.

All trading for Melo does is marry you to being a middle seeded playoff team for the next 5 years. Sorry, that doesnt excite me

+1 to that sentiment. Dumb moves beget lots of early playoff exits. No thank you.

If the Nets convince Melo he will achieve his dreams there, then so be it. They will still be in rebuild mode but may be able to attract some veteran ring-seekers.

Other things aside, I believe Melo actually wants to play for the Knicks and that is th basis of his decision. It's a tough call, but hopefully Donnie continues with his patient resolve and gets us Melo as a FA or moves on to other (better) trades.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:This was my argument--the COST!! The nets can give away 3 #1 picks like it was yesterdays news because they have 9 of them--so the cost to them is not as overwhelming as it would be to us--since we have no picks--it would cost us current assets--and once give up all that it would take--our team is Fd. For those who thought it was going top cost Chandler Gallo 2014--think again---throw in randolph Fields and GS picks + our 2014--that is a similar deal to 3 #1's favors and harris./

We have Amare eating up massive cap. So in order to capitalize on Amare's few remaining good years we need to bring him help NOW. Carmelo + Amare makes us a very good team in the East.

Knicks would be 4th best team in the East at the very best. Then your left with low draft picks and the MLE to improve your team and your stuck at 48-50 wins and getting bounced in round 2 every year. Wow... sign me up.

Gallo and AR are still in their rookie contracts next year. Felton is still cheap at $7mm if he blows up in the MDA system. Douglas is in his rookie deal. Your looking at max cap space next year if you let Chandler walk and build around a core of Felton/Douglas/AR/Gallo/Amare/Fields/Rautins/Mosgov. THATS how you build a title team. That core should be a playoff team next year. You have a chance to keep together your young players with all star potential and add another max/star guy, or use the cap space to trade for one.

All trading for Melo does is marry you to being a middle seeded playoff team for the next 5 years. Sorry, that doesnt excite me

+1

Bringing in Melo would be great if there were some other avenue available to improve the team..

but if you trade away one or 2 or even 3 young players with potential and we don't really have draft picks..how do you aim to win a championship against Miami down south, Orlando, Boston once all their aging stars come off the books, Oklahoma City, etc?

If we had draft picks and a bunch of young guys on rookie contracts to add to Amare and Melo that's a potentially championship worthy team..Amare + Melo on a capped out team with no draft picks..doesn't sound like quit like a no brainer..

fish...would you be in favor of signing Melo as a FA if he refuses to sign an extension with Denver or any crappy team Denver wants to trade him to and just plays the season out?

Giving up all three of Gallo, AR, and Chandler would be a disaster, but your nightmare scenario doesn't actually leave us capped out. Amare/Melo + capholds still leaves us around $14-15M in cap space to spend in 2012 when Felton and Mozgov come off the books. Not quite enough for another max unless the cap goes up/CBA lowers the max salary/Chris Paul or Deron Williams accepts a paycut.

I still think our max offer should be Gallo, Chandler, Douglas, Curry, and 'Buke for Melo and JR. Hold onto one of Randolph or Gallo at all costs. If Denver insists on all 3, or prefers NJ's package, then so be it. Don't want to sell the farm on Melo, and would rather focus our efforts on getting Paul or Deron.

Chandler
Gallo
AR
Fields
2014 unrestricted

anyone willing to give that up? because that is the cost compared to three number 1 picks in the next 2 years Derrick Favors and Devin Harris --what the Nets can offer is the 3 number 1's which we cannot--so we really cannot compete unless we trade away basically all assets. There is no Gallo and 2014 #1

mikesknicks wrote:I'm I the only one that knows that Evan Turner was the #2 pick in the draft. F*ck new Jersey or Brooklyn or where ever they play they will always be second fiddle to the knicks ask Met fans. I have this argument all the time with my friends. If the net have so much nice pieces how come they were the worst team in the league last year. And they don't have 9 #1 picks please stop believing every person with a keyboard. DON'T JUMP ON THIS BANDWAGON!

Mets are second fiddle because yankees are 27 chips rich and a current dynasty as much as a team can be in team in the modern era.

Knicks have not won in 37 years. Nets were ABA champs twice, the last being 34 years.

I'd say if you a knick fan, and I am we look at the knicks as top shelf.

But the market is wide open with a whole generation who think the knicks suck!

And they have!

Its the Knicks market to keep, but fear the russian. Not now, but in 2-5 years. Brooklyn will prove to be a genious move for that franchise.

Phuck'em for now!

TMS wrote:

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Now tell me what the Knicks would have to offer???? So the Nets are offering a young talented well-proven PG--the #2 player picked in this years draft and two more 1's than will not be from 2014.

Its going to cost Gallo Randolph Chandler--that's the cost.

notice the nets didn't and from what I hear, don't want to offer lopez? why is that? do they think lopez is better than melo? again, smart teams are not going to gut their talent in this type of deal.. yea, they can deal picks and even deal favors, but they want lopez to play with melo... and that makes sense...

they didn't offer Lopez because he plays C & they want to pair him up w/Melo after the trade... Melo plays the same position as Gallo... what is your point here? that is akin to the Knicks not being willing to give up Amare.

& if the Nets wanna offer all that to get Melo, then more power to them... who says we have to give up every single player we have to get him? did anyone argue that we must get Melo at all costs no matter what? if a package of Gallo or AR, Wilson, expirings & a future picks isn't enough, then fine, you move on with what u got... why does it have to be the ultimate extremes here? do u really think Donnie Walsh is going to completely gut the entire roster to get Melo to NY?

the point is TMS is that the nets are not willing to part with their top prospect... why should we? some of us have been called homers and silly for not wanting to part with gallo in a deal.... the nets don't want to part with lopez, but I guess that is OK.... The point is, if we are going to get melo, we are going to have to give up the farm, especially with teams comming up with competitive offers.. Again the kicker for the knicks would be melo stating he would only sign with the knicks..