mosgov may be more okay with riding the end of the bench while he adjusts.

barron played well for that stretch and may want to get minutes.

why hasn't a team like miami signed him if he's so good?

again, i liked barron, but mosgov is here on a cheap deal to see if he can make it. if not, we move on.

we have some question marks at center, but either one is more of a practice player for the team, who might get minutes if they can do well and something happens to one of our bigs.

MS wrote:I agree, but all we need is 10-15 minutes a night.

Turiaf, AR, Amare are going to get lionshare of the minutes and a guy that can hit the open jumper and play a little post d is always a good idea. I don't like a three year commitment to a guy that hasn't played NBA ball.

No reason they couldn't have just stepped up and grabbed a kid like whiteside if they spent the money on Mosgov.

Whiteside is better than Mosgov right now today. and is 4 years younger.

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

MS wrote:I agree, but all we need is 10-15 minutes a night.

Turiaf, AR, Amare are going to get lionshare of the minutes and a guy that can hit the open jumper and play a little post d is always a good idea. I don't like a three year commitment to a guy that hasn't played NBA ball.

No reason they couldn't have just stepped up and grabbed a kid like whiteside if they spent the money on Mosgov.

Whiteside is better than Mosgov right now today. and is 4 years younger.

Better at what exactly?

Probably every aspect of the game sans picks.

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

MS wrote:I agree, but all we need is 10-15 minutes a night.

Turiaf, AR, Amare are going to get lionshare of the minutes and a guy that can hit the open jumper and play a little post d is always a good idea. I don't like a three year commitment to a guy that hasn't played NBA ball.

No reason they couldn't have just stepped up and grabbed a kid like whiteside if they spent the money on Mosgov.

Whiteside is better than Mosgov right now today. and is 4 years younger.

Better at what exactly?

Probably every aspect of the game sans picks.

YouTube GM'ing and scouting is tough, no? All I know is that both the Thunder and Heat GM passed up on Whiteside for the prospects of Pleiss and Pittman.

We'll let NBA games determine second round stuff.

Alternatively, 7 foot 24 year old player looks very raw, but has the physical tools to be a decent defensive center and that can run the floor and run the PnR-- I am okay with that deal -- especially if the 3rd year isn't guaranteed.

Briggs, not sure I agree with the analysis of Barron being the end all and be all of backup centers. Clearly the rest of the teams aren't lining up to give Barron a guaranteed contract, so the Knicks might not be completely out of line.

Whether they ended up over paying Mozgov or not will be something to wait and see.

EwingsGlass wrote:Barron played 7 games at the end of the Knicks season and averaged a double double. Small sample set, but the guy deserves a look in camp. Not sure he deserves guaranteed money as a 29 year old journeyman.

Alternatively, 7 foot 24 year old player looks very raw, but has the physical tools to be a decent defensive center and that can run the floor and run the PnR-- I am okay with that deal -- especially if the 3rd year isn't guaranteed.

Briggs, not sure I agree with the analysis of Barron being the end all and be all of backup centers. Clearly the rest of the teams aren't lining up to give Barron a guaranteed contract, so the Knicks might not be completely out of line.

Whether they ended up over paying Mozgov or not will be something to wait and see.

I think we could use his rebounding and his mid range jump-shot off the bench as a 7 footer. Sometimes life makes no sense. I think Barron is devalued because of his age and the fact that hes been a journeyman--is his agent asking for way too much $$$--Im sure I would try to do better than the vet min right?

Put it this way--Barron could easily be better than turriaf--he easily could be right? Its an area of concern.

93BUICK wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:You guys worry to much. Look how good Felton made Tyson Chandler look. Oh Wait.

Only Chris Paul made Tyson look good and that was only for one year.

Tyson had a break out year and actually averaged double digits PPG. For the only time in his career. A whopping 12 points.

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Barron played 7 games at the end of the Knicks season and averaged a double double. Small sample set, but the guy deserves a look in camp. Not sure he deserves guaranteed money as a 29 year old journeyman.

Alternatively, 7 foot 24 year old player looks very raw, but has the physical tools to be a decent defensive center and that can run the floor and run the PnR-- I am okay with that deal -- especially if the 3rd year isn't guaranteed.

Briggs, not sure I agree with the analysis of Barron being the end all and be all of backup centers. Clearly the rest of the teams aren't lining up to give Barron a guaranteed contract, so the Knicks might not be completely out of line.

Whether they ended up over paying Mozgov or not will be something to wait and see.

I think we could use his rebounding and his mid range jump-shot off the bench as a 7 footer. Sometimes life makes no sense. I think Barron is devalued because of his age and the fact that hes been a journeyman--is his agent asking for way too much $$$--Im sure I would try to do better than the vet min right?

Put it this way--Barron could easily be better than turriaf--he easily could be right? Its an area of concern.

I assume you mean Timofey and not Turiaf because I don't see either Barron or Timofey being a better player than Turiaf this year. I think Mozgov's upside is pretty high even though his skill set is quite raw. I could see him warming the end of the bench the entire year in terms of downside. However Mozgov's upside is maybe Biedrins in a couple years.

Barron had a very good 7 games with us, and for that I would be willing to give him $1.5M to play this year, but I still think he needs to earn that contract in training camp and preseason rather than demanding guaranteed dollars today. I think his actual performance this year (wherever he ends up) will be worse than the 7 games he played. I think he might crack the rotation in NY, where Mozgov may not this year, but that his upside is far less than Mozgov's. Given that both players are behind Turiaf in the depth chart and maybe Randolph and Amare in terms of the time split at C, (maybe even Curry, well, no) I think you choose the upside player.

As for Jerome Jordan going to play overseas, thats not only the best thing for him, but the best thing for the Knicks. We retain his rights while he develops a bit more... best thing for everyone involved. Its like the Euroleague is an extra D-League spot.

BRIGGS wrote:

VDesai wrote:Barron is more than likely a flash in the pan. He did play well here, but all other evidence of his career suggests he's marginal. Still its worth a shot to see whether he can do it again. Just not worth 7 figures.

What has Mosgov done in the nBA to be valuated at over 3mm or basically a top 5 pick in the draft when he couldnt even get drafted? I think Barron is a decent 7 foot skill player who can play a very decent game in the nBA and proved what he could do with a little more PT. Its not easy for ANY player to avg 11-11 in the NBA at anytime over 7 games.

you are playing the blind fool here pretty well. It's not that deserved top 5 money but that he had a buyout. And we all know that by now.

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2010/8/31/1660421/deez-here-are-timofey-mozgov

I think Mosgov has some excellent tools and he's performing reasonably well at the international level - and currently at the World Championships. Granted, this is a highlight reel, but my takeaways (not that I'm a pro scout):

* active feet on defense
* understands how to find space in the pick and roll
* good hands (can catch the ball in traffic)
* super tall/long (can finish on a small hop)
* reasonably quick for a 7 footer - At least, he moves much better than someone like Rasho Nesterovic.