nixluva wrote:Man I don't know. I just get this feeling that AR is gonna be some kind of FREAK HYBRID KG/CAMBY/ODOM type of C/PF. I think he's got so much talent that he can eventually be an All Star. How many guys are there like him in the League? Melo is great, but what has that really meant for his Denver team? They've been scary, but not dominant. He's had MORE talent than Lebron and did less. That scares me.

Plus WHY are we getting him? To score more points? It's not for better D, in fact the guys we have now would give us a better defensive team and scoring isn't likely to be one of our problems. I think i'm now on the NO side to this deal. Not cuz i'm anti Melo, but I don't really think it's gonna change our fortunes as much as people think. I'm not convinced he translates into multiple Finals appearances for us. We might develop our own big 3 from within with Amare, Gallo & AR and it won't cost us a fortune.

You have to remember Carmelo played in the West where you need to play 500+ ball just to make the playoffs. Denver made the playoffs ever since Carmelo was drafted there. They always got knocked out in the first round though. I still think we are the 3rd best team in the East with Amare and Carmelo.

Vmart wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Vmart wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:I understand those who dont want to trade Gallo and Randolph for Carmelo. The thing is Carmelo is a closer and can turn it up in crunch time and is CONSISTENT. I didnt want to trade Gallo and Randolph either because I was caught up in the this summers free agent class.

The thing is if we acquire Carmelo we'd have the 2nd best PF and 2nd best SF in the conference and that is too good to pass up.

Second best pf. We have the best in the conference.

I doubt Amare would have taken Toronto further than Bosh did. Amare has that Vince Carter feel to me. Amare is good if he is surrounded by other good players but on a team by himself he will just put up gaudy stats.

Vince Carter feel. Suns did not have that many great players last year. It was basically Nash, Richardson and Amare. The rest were decent at best. Bosh is a know wuss when things don't go his way he stops playing. Amare kept going and helped his team get to the western conference finals. Amare is better.

Vince Carter didnt have the luxury of playing his entire career with Jason Kidd.

Kidd = Nash
Jefferson = Richardson
Carter = Amare

Amare had to prove he was back healthy after that eye injury. Amare is a beast but lets not pretend he does much more than score alot of points. His defense and rebounding are sub-par for a guy with his abilities.

nixluva wrote:Man I don't know. I just get this feeling that AR is gonna be some kind of FREAK HYBRID KG/CAMBY/ODOM type of C/PF. I think he's got so much talent that he can eventually be an All Star. How many guys are there like him in the League? Melo is great, but what has that really meant for his Denver team? They've been scary, but not dominant. He's had MORE talent than Lebron and did less. That scares me.

Plus WHY are we getting him? To score more points? It's not for better D, in fact the guys we have now would give us a better defensive team and scoring isn't likely to be one of our problems. I think i'm now on the NO side to this deal. Not cuz i'm anti Melo, but I don't really think it's gonna change our fortunes as much as people think. I'm not convinced he translates into multiple Finals appearances for us. We might develop our own big 3 from within with Amare, Gallo & AR and it won't cost us a fortune.

Are you serious? Carmelo Anthony is a STAR. It's not about scoring points. Stars WIN in this league. You don't get a trophy for having the most hyped under 22 year old players on your team. I swear, most of you would probably rather have a team that's full of young players with potential like Portland or the Clippers and win 40-45 games over having Stars like Boston or the Lakers and being a contender.

It's like every player that comes through the Garden is untouchable if he's 22 years old. No matter what he's done in his career. It's really ridiculous and it's not a way to build a team. You don't get brownie points for developing your players either!! It's about winning a Championship and if you have a chance to add a 26 year old 28 ppg player, you freaking do it!!! It's not like we're trading away Derrick Rose or Kevin Durant! It's Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph! These guys are not going to be Hall of Famers! Gallo and Randoloh will NEVER be as good as Melo. Wake up already!!!

foosballnick wrote:

martin wrote:

iSergio wrote:

Anthony has hesitated to sign a three-year, $65 million extension and expressed intrigue with opting out of his contract next summer to become a free agent. Despite significant speculation the New York Knicks are the team that Anthony would most likely want to join, two sources close to him insisted the Knicks have been overstated as an object of his desire. Privately, Anthony has expressed more enthusiasm over joining the Houston Rockets than the Knicks, sources said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AuJTAOMNcKewlle1IUn2Eaq8vLYF?slug=aw-anthonykroenke082410

We cannot let Houston steal Carmelo Anthony. If Denver wants 2/3 (Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Anthony Randolph), we pull the trigger NOW. After Melo, there is not a single Star FA on the market next summer.

i don't know, but I think you just got chumped by a leak out of Denver's front office.

Bingo. Denver is trying to up the ante, probably are coming to the realization that Melo is not coming back. Look how some here are already panicking that we have to give up everything for Melo. He's a very good - great player. However if he goes somewhere else, still has to sign a long term deal. And if he does that, then the Knicks go with what we have and target Parker or Paul as future FA's.

Word. iSergio is just being his usual: Drama Queen. Let's not hit the panic button EVER regarding Melo. If we get him, great. But he is not the well-rounded player that Lebron would have been for us. We have a solid front court now. Let's not muck it up to starphuck this guy. If he wants to be the King of NY, he will be. I doubt he even feels much sympathy for Denver's losing him for nothing. He may just decide to walk on them and sign here WITH our current lineup.

This "news" is almost certainly leaked by Denver and reeks of desperation.

TheGame wrote:I would trade Gallo for Anthony in a heartbeat. I, however, would be reluctant to trade Gallo and AR for Anthony unless Denver through in something else. I think we hold all the cards. Denver is going to get solid offers, but I don't see Anthony going to Houston and the Clippers are well, the Clippers. No one would go to the Clippers unless they were getting overpaid and that won't be the case for Anthony. If Anthony wants out, he needs to tell Denver point blank, trade me to the Knicks. We can offer Gallo, $3 million, Chandler, and a future draft pick (2014). That is more than a fair offer.

Even that is too much. I'd say Gallo, $3mil, Curry, and the 2014 pick is the MAX we should offer until there is tangible evidence that he may go someplace else. Even then, I am not sure I throw in Chandler.

Moonangie wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

martin wrote:

iSergio wrote:

Anthony has hesitated to sign a three-year, $65 million extension and expressed intrigue with opting out of his contract next summer to become a free agent. Despite significant speculation the New York Knicks are the team that Anthony would most likely want to join, two sources close to him insisted the Knicks have been overstated as an object of his desire. Privately, Anthony has expressed more enthusiasm over joining the Houston Rockets than the Knicks, sources said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AuJTAOMNcKewlle1IUn2Eaq8vLYF?slug=aw-anthonykroenke082410

We cannot let Houston steal Carmelo Anthony. If Denver wants 2/3 (Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Anthony Randolph), we pull the trigger NOW. After Melo, there is not a single Star FA on the market next summer.

i don't know, but I think you just got chumped by a leak out of Denver's front office.

Bingo. Denver is trying to up the ante, probably are coming to the realization that Melo is not coming back. Look how some here are already panicking that we have to give up everything for Melo. He's a very good - great player. However if he goes somewhere else, still has to sign a long term deal. And if he does that, then the Knicks go with what we have and target Parker or Paul as future FA's.

Word. iSergio is just being his usual: Drama Queen. Let's not hit the panic button EVER regarding Melo. If we get him, great. But he is not the well-rounded player that Lebron would have been for us. We have a solid front court now. Let's not muck it up to starphuck this guy. If he wants to be the King of NY, he will be. I doubt he even feels much sympathy for Denver's losing him for nothing. He may just decide to walk on them and sign here WITH our current lineup.

This "news" is almost certainly leaked by Denver and reeks of desperation.

TheGame wrote:I would trade Gallo for Anthony in a heartbeat. I, however, would be reluctant to trade Gallo and AR for Anthony unless Denver through in something else. I think we hold all the cards. Denver is going to get solid offers, but I don't see Anthony going to Houston and the Clippers are well, the Clippers. No one would go to the Clippers unless they were getting overpaid and that won't be the case for Anthony. If Anthony wants out, he needs to tell Denver point blank, trade me to the Knicks. We can offer Gallo, $3 million, Chandler, and a future draft pick (2014). That is more than a fair offer.

Even that is too much. I'd say Gallo, $3mil, Curry, and the 2014 pick is the MAX we should offer until there is tangible evidence that he may go someplace else. Even then, I am not sure I throw in Chandler.

I dont really want to trade Gallo and Randolph either but let's not act like Carmelo is chopped liver. The guy has made the playoffs every year in the west.

Carmelo's mid range game is just NASTY. NO-ONE can stop him one on one. The best thing is as he ages he should still be highly effective because his game doesnt rely heavily on athleticism like Lebron and Wade. In order for Randolph or Gallo to reach Carmelo status they would have to get a WHOLE lot better in a hurry.

Melo is just too smooth to pass up. He is like a less athletic McGrady in Orlando.

knickstorrents wrote:I only want players who can make other players better and/or play on both ends... Carmelo is a high volume 46% shooter.... No Thanks

So you wouldn't want Wade then I suppose. The guy makes the playoffs every year in the western conference. Sure he is just a volume score.

iSergio wrote:Are you serious? Carmelo Anthony is a STAR. It's not about scoring points. Stars WIN in this league. You don't get a trophy for having the most hyped under 22 year old players on your team. I swear, most of you would probably rather have a team that's full of young players with potential like Portland or the Clippers and win 40-45 games over having Stars like Boston or the Lakers and being a contender.

well said & so on point, especially the part about guys preferring to have a team full of unproven young guys w/potential over proven star players... i remember guys were ragging on KG a few years back saying they wouldn't give up guys like D Lee for him in a trade... the year after he went to Boston & helped them win a championship.