loweyecue wrote:

TMS wrote:gotta love the line of reasoning on these boards... people are perfectly willing to give away draft picks & prospects to clear cap room for a slim chance at signing a player in free agency but not willing to trade away a couple prospects for an established superstar in his prime.

Not sure who this is directed at, I was OK wih the Hill trade, I would definitely be ok with this trade as well. But it would hurt to see Gallo leave, I have really takn to liking this kid.

it's directed at all the fools who come up with this ridiculous reasoning that it's OK to trade away assets for a player you're not even sure you can sign a year from now & yet are opposed to trading for & GETTING a player directly in a trade.

i have been a Gallo supporter since day one but IMO you'd be a complete moron if you wouldn't make that deal, i'm sorry... & i don't even like Melo all that much... but u can't deny the talent the guy has.

TMS wrote:gotta love the line of reasoning on these boards... people are perfectly willing to give away draft picks & prospects to clear cap room for a slim chance at signing a player in free agency but not willing to trade away a couple prospects for an established superstar in his prime.

But only because that "player" was Lebron, a transcendent once-in-a-generation talent. We wouldn't have done the Fishlips trade otherwise. And at this point I think Gallo has demonstrated he's more than just a "prospect". He already brings top-caliber starter "stuff" to the team and has years of further development on the way.

Nalod wrote:
Gallo would be a senior in college this year. He is avg'ed 15 pts last season. This kid to me is untouchable.

Word. I agree with that sentiment, but as I have stated above and in other threads, he might have to go if we play Melo at the 3. Not enough room for both of them to play SF. And Gallo can't play center, so really AR brings more stuff that we need if we are going to trade for Melo.

Im thinking Obo Won Ginobli for this kid but much younger. At 6-10 he creates problems for other teams. At some point he becomes a 4.

Paladin55 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Gallo would be a senior in college this year. He is avg'ed 15 pts last season. This kid to me is untouchable.

Word. I agree with that sentiment, but as I have stated above and in other threads, he might have to go if we play Melo at the 3. Not enough room for both of them to play SF. And Gallo can't play center, so really AR brings more stuff that we need if we are going to trade for Melo.

Gallinari can play minutes at the 3, 4, and in certain circumstances a few minutes at 2.

He also wants to be in NYC, and I don't think he will try to "rape" us come contract time, which is something to think about down the line.

Hold tight, pick up Anthony next year, make a few other adjustments, and this team will have front line depth and versatility/flexibility that other teams will envy. We will win many games simply by wearing down opponents, and Amare won't have to play as many MPG, so he knee will hold up better down the line.

i know you can come up with a better word. thanks.

WindsorPl wrote:

TMS wrote:gotta love the line of reasoning on these boards... people are perfectly willing to give away draft picks & prospects to clear cap room for a slim chance at signing a player in free agency but not willing to trade away a couple prospects for an established superstar in his prime.

Humans will always pay more for what they want but can't have (Lebron) and pay less for what they want but can have (Melo wants to come anyway).
nitpick: I don't think Melo is a superstar yet.

me either.. hence the hesitation on wanting to trade away the farm to get melo...

Felton/Douglas/Rautins
Chandler/Azub/Walker
Melo/Fields
Amare/AR
Turiaf/AR

This team could compete with anyone in the East.

Moonangie wrote:

TMS wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

TMS wrote:gotta love the line of reasoning on these boards... people are perfectly willing to give away draft picks & prospects to clear cap room for a slim chance at signing a player in free agency but not willing to trade away a couple prospects for an established superstar in his prime.

But only because that "player" was Lebron, a transcendent once-in-a-generation talent. We wouldn't have done the Fishlips trade otherwise. And at this point I think Gallo has demonstrated he's more than just a "prospect". He already brings top-caliber starter "stuff" to the team and has years of further development on the way.

sorry, but that doesn't fly... when those of us who were against making that trade to go "All in" for Lebron this summer, the supporters were saying it wasn't Lebron or bust, that the trade was worth making for a chance at any of the bigname FA's this summer... so again, how does it make sense to give away assets to clear cap space but doesn't make sense to trade away assets for a living, breathing star player in exchange?

Because Melo isn't nearly the player Lebron is and represents significantly less impact on our prospects.

Good reason why Melo is diff. from Lebron. Lebron is a big fat douche but he does seem to understand how his passing helps his team win.

This is the guy on Truehoops who runs the Denver blog.

Jeremy: Carmelo is an elite talent, but to this point in his career that talent has not translated into becoming a transcendent player on the court. He can do almost anything he wants to on the court, including playing defense. Sadly he places value on his ability to score and as a result does not utilize his other talents to help his team win.

There are few players who can score in as many was as Carmelo can, yet instead of exploiting the advantages the team earns due to the attention he receives from the opposition Melo frequently forces his way into the teeth of the defense in an attempt to prove he can do it. Carmelo has never made that leap from I can do it, to we can do it and as a result makes things more difficult on himself than it needs to be which leads directly to the surprising void between his talent and his lack of efficiency.

After watching Carmelo play in Denver for seven seasons I have come to the conclusion the Nuggets are better off with someone else paying him $20 million a season. Carmelo will absolutely get you at least 25 points a night and plenty of regular season wins. Even so until he begins to value wins over accolades neither he nor his teams will reach their full potential.

He talks about winning championships and I do believe his desire to win a title is what is driving him to want to leave Denver, but he is constantly held back by his refusal to do what it takes on the court to earn one.

I firmly believe if Carmelo is your alpha dog, you are not winning a championship.

Do you believe Houston would go so far as to part with Kevin Martin, who was acquired less than a year ago to provide outside shooting and scoring punch to compliment Yao Ming, for a player who may be more talented, but less efficient and who is not even a mediocre shooter from behind the arc?

AnubisADL wrote:People really trying to down Carmelo?

Carmelo + Amare = Playoff lock.

I absolutely agree with this. The trick is to get Melo with losing Gallo only or Chandler and of course Curry.

Moonangie wrote:

TMS wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

TMS wrote:gotta love the line of reasoning on these boards... people are perfectly willing to give away draft picks & prospects to clear cap room for a slim chance at signing a player in free agency but not willing to trade away a couple prospects for an established superstar in his prime.

But only because that "player" was Lebron, a transcendent once-in-a-generation talent. We wouldn't have done the Fishlips trade otherwise. And at this point I think Gallo has demonstrated he's more than just a "prospect". He already brings top-caliber starter "stuff" to the team and has years of further development on the way.

sorry, but that doesn't fly... when those of us who were against making that trade to go "All in" for Lebron this summer, the supporters were saying it wasn't Lebron or bust, that the trade was worth making for a chance at any of the bigname FA's this summer... so again, how does it make sense to give away assets to clear cap space but doesn't make sense to trade away assets for a living, breathing star player in exchange?

Because Melo isn't nearly the player Lebron is and represents significantly less impact on our prospects.

again, the reason doesn't fly... y'all were supporting the T-Mac trade because it not only gave us a shot to sign Lebron, but also guys like Wade, Bosh, Amare, some guys were even hawking Joe Johnson for crying out loud... so now you gonna tell me Melo doesn't belong in the same class as those guys? i'm calling BS on that logic... the one time it makes sense to trade away young assets is when you're getting a proven star player in return, & that's the one time the fans on this forum are against such a move... go figure.

AnubisADL wrote:

TMS wrote:again, the reason doesn't fly... y'all were supporting the T-Mac trade because it not only gave us a shot to sign Lebron, but also guys like Wade, Bosh, Amare, some guys were even hawking Joe Johnson for crying out loud... so now you gonna tell me Melo doesn't belong in the same class as those guys? i'm calling BS on that logic... the one time it makes sense to trade away young assets is when you're getting a proven star player in return, & that's the one time the fans on this forum are against such a move... go figure.

Some dont want to trade Gallo.

ideally i don't want to trade him either, but you can't possibly tell me that Melo isn't a significant upgrade at the SF position... but hey, let's keep on dumping assets to clear cap room & pass up trade opportunities... makes perfect sense to me.