BRIGGS wrote:

Vmart wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:They would probably want Curry, Gallo, and Randolph, but we will give them Curry, either one of those guys and Chandler, which is very fair. I would still rather give Randolph and start Gallo at the SG.

You guys are chickens for goodness sakes--I will give them sht!!!! and wait and get him for free. WTF would I give up any of our young stars--so I can deplete the roster???? Lets see what we have first and be patient--I think we will be very good as is--if we start giving away this guy and that guy we could trade ourselves into a mediocre team when there was no need.

If a deal is available I think the Knicks have to pull the trigger. Like I said you are not going to get Anthony for free any deal whether if it is trade of FA signing will result in players lost. Would rather have this deal done sooner rather than later and get the team moving forwards sooner. Don't want to lose these young player that we have but need to get more proven players in. If Denver is going to lose Melo for nothing then the Knicks are in the drivers seat and certain player will be deemed untouchable by the Knicks. I personally think that AR, Gallo, Amare, Felton are going to be untouchable. The rest of the Knicks team will all be available in the possible trade scenario which is ok with me.

To me the NY untouchable list is

AR and Gallo--obviously Amare is a cornerstone who wont even be mentioned because of contract. But Im wary of giving up anything unless it really made sense. If the Knicks did a deal that included either Gallo or AR--or worse both--then they are sckers. You could trade star when you didnt have to.

Bernard King was a great player--better than Melo--you just dont win games because of a guy like that +++ he hasnt won crp other than good regular season stuff and that teams is stacked. Dont get me wrong Ill take him--but not at the expense of our core front-line and Id rather pay 0. Why not be patient?

I agree with you 100% Briggs. It seems 90% of people are dying to just get Melo at any cost. I was talking to a friend of mine at work who tells me , "Melo will get us into the playoffs!" as is that is the final goal for the team! If we have to make a trade now were giving up both AR and Gallo, no doubt about it.

Turiaf
Amare
Melo
Bukie
Felton

That team gives us around 50 wins, but than what? We have no picks. We have little cap space. Thats the team we go to war with, and thats just not good enough.

Id rather grind out 10 less wins with the team as is and get Melo for nothing at the end of the year. Weve waited for almost a decade, and this is the best team weve had in that time.

This is why we have to be appreciative of Donnie. Isiah would blow his load to get Melo. He has no concept of patience. Donnie is going to get it done on our terms, believe it.

I'd keep Randolph - I think he would be a better complement to Amar'e Stoudemire and Melo than Gallo would.

iSergio wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2010/08/17/2010-08-17_report_carmelo_likely_to_leave_nuggets.html

Carmelo Anthony will likely leave the Nuggets - perhaps before next season - and the Knicks are a possible, if not likely, destination.

According to an ESPN report, Anthony is mulling two options: to sign the three-year, $65 million extension offer from the Nuggets and convince the team to trade him. Or, he could force a trade by refusing to sign, thereby risking losing money because the CBA expires after next season.

Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke is aware of Anthony's desire and the team is planning its separation strategy, according to the Denver Post. The Nuggets would rather trade Anthony than lose him next summer as a free agent - a scenario that left the Cavaliers with nothing following LeBron James' departure.

That could mean Anthony is traded before the 2010-11 season, although the Nuggets currently don't have a general manager. Executives Mark Warkentien and Rex Chapman were both fired this month, leaving behind a vacancy that experienced GMs are reportedly shunning because of Denver's evasive ownership.

As a Brooklyn native and an NCAA champion at Syracuse, Anthony is keen on joining Amar'e Stoudemire in New York. He recently wed former MTV VJ La La Vasquez in Manhattan, where Hornets guard Chris Paul and Stoudemire reportedly talked about the idea of forming their own Big-3 with the Knicks.

Anthony spent a lot of time in New York this summer, including last week at Michael Jordan's basketball camp at Rucker's Park and in Radio City Music Hall for the World Basketball Festival.

His wife, Vasquez, is also from Brooklyn.

As reported by the Daily News, Isiah Thomas has convinced Knicks owner James Dolan he can deliver Anthony to the Knicks, which would clear the way for Thomas to take over the club again as president or general manager.

But if the Nuggets are trading Anthony, the Knicks might not have the assets to acquire the Olympic champion. With Stoudemire as the only player deemed untradeable, the Knicks can package only Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph with other unproven talent.

Nets minority owner Jay-Z has close ties with Anthony and is also committed to signing him, the News learned. It's something he failed to do with another basketball buddy, LeBron James. The Nets have better young assets to offer the Nuggets, including center Brook Lopez, all-star guard Devin Harris and rookie forward Derrick Favors.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2010/08/17/2010-08-17_report_carmelo_likely_to_leave_nuggets.html#ixzz0wsYKfnb3

See Denver has strength right now--they have the time to make teams ante up. What could happen is you could deplete your self so badly--that even with Anthony and Stoudemire--you could be very weak in terms of cap and picks to put a team together. Remember Denver hasnt won sht with a LOADED team.

Carmelo Anthony only makes about $16M so we're not trading more then 3 players in a trade with Denver so I don't see how we're gutting the team. Eddy Curry will be part of the trade most likely so we're only going to send out no more then $8M in a trade. Either Danilo Gallinari or Anthony Randolph plus Wilson Chandler and maybe a cheap player like Toney Douglas or Bill Walker. Say we trade Curry, Gallo, Chandler and Walker for Melo.

PF: Amar'e Stoudemire --- Anthony Randolph
SF: Carmelo Anthony --- Landry Fields
C: Ronny Turiaf --- Timofey Mozgov
SG: Kelenna Azubuike --- Roger Mason
PG: Raymond Felton ---- Toney Douglas

That's not a gutted team.

That is gutting the team. Sending AR or Gallo plus The Mayor and TD/Wlaker.

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:This is CP3 all over again. I'm not doubting that Melo wants out of Denver...but I wouldnt be surprised if this is to make Denver offer him a MAX contract.

But if any of this is true....any trade involving the Knicks and Melo will start with D.Gallnari. If you think other wise than you're delusional.

LOL Dude, where have you been?

I meant in terms of years...or can the Nuggets NOT go more than 3 years 65 mil that is already on the table??

BRIGGS wrote:

iSergio wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

iSergio wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2010/08/17/2010-08-17_report_carmelo_likely_to_leave_nuggets.html

Carmelo Anthony will likely leave the Nuggets - perhaps before next season - and the Knicks are a possible, if not likely, destination.

According to an ESPN report, Anthony is mulling two options: to sign the three-year, $65 million extension offer from the Nuggets and convince the team to trade him. Or, he could force a trade by refusing to sign, thereby risking losing money because the CBA expires after next season.

Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke is aware of Anthony's desire and the team is planning its separation strategy, according to the Denver Post. The Nuggets would rather trade Anthony than lose him next summer as a free agent - a scenario that left the Cavaliers with nothing following LeBron James' departure.

That could mean Anthony is traded before the 2010-11 season, although the Nuggets currently don't have a general manager. Executives Mark Warkentien and Rex Chapman were both fired this month, leaving behind a vacancy that experienced GMs are reportedly shunning because of Denver's evasive ownership.

As a Brooklyn native and an NCAA champion at Syracuse, Anthony is keen on joining Amar'e Stoudemire in New York. He recently wed former MTV VJ La La Vasquez in Manhattan, where Hornets guard Chris Paul and Stoudemire reportedly talked about the idea of forming their own Big-3 with the Knicks.

Anthony spent a lot of time in New York this summer, including last week at Michael Jordan's basketball camp at Rucker's Park and in Radio City Music Hall for the World Basketball Festival.

His wife, Vasquez, is also from Brooklyn.

As reported by the Daily News, Isiah Thomas has convinced Knicks owner James Dolan he can deliver Anthony to the Knicks, which would clear the way for Thomas to take over the club again as president or general manager.

But if the Nuggets are trading Anthony, the Knicks might not have the assets to acquire the Olympic champion. With Stoudemire as the only player deemed untradeable, the Knicks can package only Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph with other unproven talent.

Nets minority owner Jay-Z has close ties with Anthony and is also committed to signing him, the News learned. It's something he failed to do with another basketball buddy, LeBron James. The Nets have better young assets to offer the Nuggets, including center Brook Lopez, all-star guard Devin Harris and rookie forward Derrick Favors.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2010/08/17/2010-08-17_report_carmelo_likely_to_leave_nuggets.html#ixzz0wsYKfnb3

See Denver has strength right now--they have the time to make teams ante up. What could happen is you could deplete your self so badly--that even with Anthony and Stoudemire--you could be very weak in terms of cap and picks to put a team together. Remember Denver hasnt won sht with a LOADED team.

Carmelo Anthony only makes about $16M so we're not trading more then 3 players in a trade with Denver so I don't see how we're gutting the team. Eddy Curry will be part of the trade most likely so we're only going to send out no more then $8M in a trade. Either Danilo Gallinari or Anthony Randolph plus Wilson Chandler and maybe a cheap player like Toney Douglas or Bill Walker. Say we trade Curry, Gallo, Chandler and Walker for Melo.

PF: Amar'e Stoudemire --- Anthony Randolph
SF: Carmelo Anthony --- Landry Fields
C: Ronny Turiaf --- Timofey Mozgov
SG: Kelenna Azubuike --- Roger Mason
PG: Raymond Felton ---- Toney Douglas

That's not a gutted team.

That is gutting the team. Sending AR or Gallo plus The Mayor and TD/Wlaker.

So you're expecting to acquire a player of Carmelo Anthony's caliber while keeping both Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph? That's not realistic. If you were a Denver fan, you would expect one of them back at the very least.

Why give up sht??--I wouldnt give them a fcking penny. Fck them--Ill wait a year--what is the rush--once you start removing pieces that are of high caliber you remove your chances at winning this year--so what is the point--the guy is still a FA next year. I don't even know if I want Melo--I might want Mark gasol

I don't think Marc Gasol fits with our coach, sadly.

And I'm assuming you're banking on Danilo Gallinari becoming that second Star to Amar'e Stoudemire and developing into that 4th quarter go-to-guy? Which I don't see.

BRIGGS wrote:

Vmart wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:They would probably want Curry, Gallo, and Randolph, but we will give them Curry, either one of those guys and Chandler, which is very fair. I would still rather give Randolph and start Gallo at the SG.

You guys are chickens for goodness sakes--I will give them sht!!!! and wait and get him for free. WTF would I give up any of our young stars--so I can deplete the roster???? Lets see what we have first and be patient--I think we will be very good as is--if we start giving away this guy and that guy we could trade ourselves into a mediocre team when there was no need.

If a deal is available I think the Knicks have to pull the trigger. Like I said you are not going to get Anthony for free any deal whether if it is trade of FA signing will result in players lost. Would rather have this deal done sooner rather than later and get the team moving forwards sooner. Don't want to lose these young player that we have but need to get more proven players in. If Denver is going to lose Melo for nothing then the Knicks are in the drivers seat and certain player will be deemed untouchable by the Knicks. I personally think that AR, Gallo, Amare, Felton are going to be untouchable. The rest of the Knicks team will all be available in the possible trade scenario which is ok with me.

To me the NY untouchable list is

AR and Gallo--obviously Amare is a cornerstone who wont even be mentioned because of contract. But Im wary of giving up anything unless it really made sense. If the Knicks did a deal that included either Gallo or AR--or worse both--then they are sckers. You could trade star when you didnt have to.

Bernard King was a great player--better than Melo--you just dont win games because of a guy like that +++ he hasnt won crp other than good regular season stuff and that teams is stacked. Dont get me wrong Ill take him--but not at the expense of our core front-line and Id rather pay 0. Why not be patient?

I was just looking at gallo stats...http://espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3428

Trying to convince my Co worker, that gallo was more then just a 3 point shooter..but after carefully going over his stats, close to 60% of his shots were from DT, in which 38% went in, yet he went 42% from the field..

They're games in which he had 17 3pt attemps, thats more then some teams do combine. I know (cause i watch way more games then him) that gallo showed some flashes, but in all honesty, the stats don't lie. They maybe a little miss leading at times, but it is what it is.

He seems like he's going to need a high volume of shots (like Melo) in order to have an impact.
I'm still baffled at how MDA said he was the best shooter he ever saw, and he said that standing next to allan houston..

Andrew wrote:I did a quick check of Gallo's game log and didn't see one game that he took 17 3pt shots.

16, my bad..still dude, if your trying to justify that it's not a high amount of attemps, you would be lying to your self.. I argued that he wasn't just a 3 point shooter, but around the league, and for most non knick fans, thats exactly how they look at him, and what bases do I have to not agree..