joec32033 wrote:Walker and 2 2nds MAX for Rudy.

I'll do Walker because we get rid of some very real knee concerns.

Chandler is nothing special to me but he is much more proven than Rudy.

Come to think of it, I would do Rudy and a first for Chandler.

Picks to me have little value right now--it's all about what can help us in Oct ++

smackeddog wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I really could care less if Chandler got traded, I don't care about the weed. He's
shown that he has the skills to be something special but he doesn't seem that committed
to taking his game to the next level. He also can't manage to stay healthy for very long.
Just hope we can get something decent in return.

He's had injury problems, but I think it's ridiculous to say that "he doesn't seem committed to taking his game to the next level", from what we know about him, he's hard working and liked by the coaching staff. He seems to be solely interested in basketball and improving. Last year he was recovering from surgery so he couldn't work on improving any bits of his game, and when the season began he was still suffering from pain in his ankle and got off to a slow start. However as the season went along you could clearly see him improving and changing his game- at the start of the year people complained that he was taking too many 3s, and he stopped that and started taking it inside more. By Dec or January he was looking really good and much improved, however he then got hit by a variety of injuries that led to his decline. If he can just stay healthy this year, then you'll see a big improvement from him, I think. His work ethic and attitude are ideal, in my opinion.

I'll have to take your word for it. From the few games I did see it last year I didn't see that much of an improvement, (didn't show up in the season avgs) not enough to justify holding on to him long term with his injury issues. Maybe with some high energy guys like Amare, Randolph, Felton(?) he will be even more agressive. I do know that this is a make or break year for him as a Knick.

Knicks Not Offering Wilson For Rudy

Jul 28, 2010 3:39 PM EST

Alan Hahn reports that according to a source who has knowledge of the situation, the Knicks are not offering Wilson Chandler for Rudy Fernandez, whom the Blazers have made available.

The Knicks have high interest in Fernandez and could absorb his contract with their remaining cap room, but the Blazers are looking for a draft pick in return.

The next first-round pick the Knicks can trade away is their 2014 pick since the team's 2012 pick is committed to the Rockets if it is not one of the top five selections.

I don't see a fit for either team

iSergio wrote:Tommy Dee says ...

Multiple sources indicate that Rudy Fernandez will be traded and that may come as early as this week.

The team on top of his wish list?

The Knicks

“Rudy wants to be in NY and his people are trying to force it,” a source close to the situation said. “But Portland isn’t in love with anything the Knicks have including Wilson Chandler.”

Other teams involved are the Celtics and the Bulls, but Fernandez prefers NY.

“He’d be okay with Chicago if he got to start,” another source said. “But he’d come to NY either way, starting or off the bench. He really wants NY.”

http://www.theknicksblog.com/2010/08/01/fernandez-update/

Portland wouldn't take Chandler?? Maybe because he has an expiring contract/Qualifying Offer for next year? Wilson C is a much better player than Rudy and the Knicks would never (I hope never) give him up for Rudy. Rudy had a bad year last year. We aren't desperate for Rudy. Neither is any other team.

Bill Walker for Rudy + Armon Johnson is my offer.

Branden Roy- SG
Wesley Matthews - SG
Rudy Fernandez - SG
Andre Miller - PG
Jerryd Bayless - PG/combo guard

Two rookies drafted:
Elliot Williams - SG 1st round #22 - guaranteed contract
Armon Johnson #34 (2nd round #4)- not guaranteed contract

Portland has 4 SG under contract. Rudy is the man to be traded or cut.

Wesley Matthews - article

"(This is) a story that God can only write," Matthews said, "and I'm just trying not to mess it up, to go from undrafted, to playing a waiting game, to having my agent try to find jobs overseas, to taking a slim chance to go to Utah, to making a team, to playing, to starting, to playing in the playoffs, now getting the biggest contract that I could get as a second-year guy. I can't think of too many stories like this."

Matthews isn't sure what his role will be with the Blazers, who have an All-Star starting shooting guard in Brandon Roy and veterans like Jerryd Bayless and Rudy Fernandez in his position.

"They have a plan for me," Matthews said.

And that plan doesn't just include paying him more money than anybody could have imagined heading into the free-agency period. Matthews will receive a bonus-loaded paycheck of $9.1 million within the next week for his first season after earning a league minimum of $457,588 in 2009-10.

The bottom line is that we don't have to give in. Rudy can be had very cheaply. I like Rudy and would welcome it if we got him(cheaply).

Portland already has a high payroll of $71 mil and they have to add a couple of players, probably rookies. Maybe a 3-way trade is needed if Portland wants a forward or center in return for Rudy. And if we don't get Rudy, no big deal.

They have to move a couple of these guys soon.

Markji wrote:Portland has way too many SG and needs to trade someone. Portland signed Wesley Matthews(SG) to a 5 year max deal for 2nd year players to sign him away from Utah. He will play. Other Portland guards:

Branden Roy- SG
Wesley Matthews - SG
Rudy Fernandez - SG
Andre Miller - PG
Jerryd Bayless - PG/combo guard

Two rookies drafted:
Elliot Williams - SG 1st round #22 - guaranteed contract
Armon Johnson #34 (2nd round #4)- not guaranteed contract

Portland has 4 SG under contract. Rudy is the man to be traded or cut.

The bottom line is that we don't have to give in. Rudy can be had very cheaply. I like Rudy and would welcome it if we got him(cheaply).

Portland already has a high payroll of $71 mil and they have to add a couple of players, probably rookies. Maybe a 3-way trade is needed if Portland wants a forward or center in return for Rudy. And if we don't get Rudy, no big deal.

Wow! These guys are really ballsy. To have all of this baggage and then demand a 1st round pick! "Not interested in anything on our roster!" Somebody wake these guys up

fishmike wrote:Rudy sucks. If they want to move him so bad stick Roy in the deal and we will take him.

Chandler played great at SG last year for 40 games. He may not be a star but he's a solid top of the rotation guy. I dont see the point in stockpiling a bunch of B rated guys who wont get burn here. A Felton/Douglas/Chandler rotation may not be ideal but its got more advantages than shortcomings

Last year he sucked, but the year before he was good- we'll soon know which was the real Rudy, I suppose. Actually now that he's said he WOULD be willing to accept a 20min bench role if he was traded to new york, I think he would be a good player to get (although, as I've said before, only for Bill Walker- the fact that he's telling other teams he will only accept a bench role with the Knicks, is hopefully diminishing his trade value further), as long as he adopts a better attitude- it would be a pretty low risk move and I think he's a better player than he showed last year, but most importantly he seems like a better fit for us- as much as I liked Bill Walker last year, we have too many SF's on the bench and not much else- if Chandler gets injured, or Felton or Douglas, then we're instantly screwed, the way things stand at the moment, and I'm not a fan of signing Shannon Brown.