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7/26/2010  9:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/26/2010  9:18 PM
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nixluva wrote:You seem to be underselling AZ quite a bit. What you're not taking note of is that he's exactly the kind of player that MDA usually has a ton of success with. He's a solid all around player, career 46%-41% 3pt, has a 40" vert and great lateral quickness and he's smart. That is exactly what Raja Bell was and he has the kind of game that will translate very well under MDA. DOn't be so quick to pass him off so lightly.

please tell me why i should get excited over a player with an expiring contract that has career totals of 11 & 4 in 24 mpg... i'm excited over what i'm gonna see out of Amare this year... i'm excited to see if Gallo can take the next step & become that go to guy on the perimeter we need... those are the guys who factor into our future, not Kelenna Azabuike... you guys need to come back to reality... he'll be a solid role player this season, nothing more.

There maybe a little truth to what your saying, but just keep in mind that raja and q rich had career years under MDA, both were in the league for 2+ years prior to MDA, same for boris diaw, who was a raw prospect. Once he got to the suns, i had to make sure this was the same boris who played for the Hawks. The guy was posting triple doubles playing 3 position, and came into his own.

I think Mike's system, maximize's a players potential, just look at how he had marion playing center for stretches, and won 60 games in the process.

you have to remember that Wilson Chandler & Landry Fields will both be getting minutes & shot opportunities this season playing out of the 2 hole, as will Toney Douglas & Bill Walker... how do you figure Azabuike will average anything more than 10-13 ppg this season w/all those guys also requiring minutes & touches? i just don't see it.

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7/26/2010  10:06 PM
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TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:You seem to be underselling AZ quite a bit. What you're not taking note of is that he's exactly the kind of player that MDA usually has a ton of success with. He's a solid all around player, career 46%-41% 3pt, has a 40" vert and great lateral quickness and he's smart. That is exactly what Raja Bell was and he has the kind of game that will translate very well under MDA. DOn't be so quick to pass him off so lightly.

please tell me why i should get excited over a player with an expiring contract that has career totals of 11 & 4 in 24 mpg... i'm excited over what i'm gonna see out of Amare this year... i'm excited to see if Gallo can take the next step & become that go to guy on the perimeter we need... those are the guys who factor into our future, not Kelenna Azabuike... you guys need to come back to reality... he'll be a solid role player this season, nothing more.

There maybe a little truth to what your saying, but just keep in mind that raja and q rich had career years under MDA, both were in the league for 2+ years prior to MDA, same for boris diaw, who was a raw prospect. Once he got to the suns, i had to make sure this was the same boris who played for the Hawks. The guy was posting triple doubles playing 3 position, and came into his own.

I think Mike's system, maximize's a players potential, just look at how he had marion playing center for stretches, and won 60 games in the process.

you have to remember that Wilson Chandler & Landry Fields will both be getting minutes & shot opportunities this season playing out of the 2 hole, as will Toney Douglas & Bill Walker... how do you figure Azabuike will average anything more than 10-13 ppg this season w/all those guys also requiring minutes & touches? i just don't see it.

Im sure yuor going to see a line up like this in some stretches


AR
AZ
walker
chandler
douglas/felton

anotherl line up you can roll with


amare
AR
Gallo/feilds
Douglas
Felton

you can go with any of those 2 line ups off the bench and cause a serious mis match in our favor

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7/26/2010  10:14 PM
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TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:You seem to be underselling AZ quite a bit. What you're not taking note of is that he's exactly the kind of player that MDA usually has a ton of success with. He's a solid all around player, career 46%-41% 3pt, has a 40" vert and great lateral quickness and he's smart. That is exactly what Raja Bell was and he has the kind of game that will translate very well under MDA. DOn't be so quick to pass him off so lightly.

please tell me why i should get excited over a player with an expiring contract that has career totals of 11 & 4 in 24 mpg... i'm excited over what i'm gonna see out of Amare this year... i'm excited to see if Gallo can take the next step & become that go to guy on the perimeter we need... those are the guys who factor into our future, not Kelenna Azabuike... you guys need to come back to reality... he'll be a solid role player this season, nothing more.

There maybe a little truth to what your saying, but just keep in mind that raja and q rich had career years under MDA, both were in the league for 2+ years prior to MDA, same for boris diaw, who was a raw prospect. Once he got to the suns, i had to make sure this was the same boris who played for the Hawks. The guy was posting triple doubles playing 3 position, and came into his own.

I think Mike's system, maximize's a players potential, just look at how he had marion playing center for stretches, and won 60 games in the process.

you have to remember that Wilson Chandler & Landry Fields will both be getting minutes & shot opportunities this season playing out of the 2 hole, as will Toney Douglas & Bill Walker... how do you figure Azabuike will average anything more than 10-13 ppg this season w/all those guys also requiring minutes & touches? i just don't see it.

What is it exactly that you're arguing? Is it that he's good, but his minutes will be smaller thus holding down his overall numbers? That's why it's so great that he's an efficient player. He doesn't have to have a ton of minutes to be effective, thus why he's a good fit for a team concept. He's not a minute hogging star, but when he's out there he's productive.

He actually is the only one of the group you mentioned that is an actual SG with the necessary shooting skills you want from that position. He makes more sense out there with the starters than any of the other guys we have that can play SG. What exactly is it that he can't do?

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7/26/2010  10:28 PM
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7/26/2010  10:38 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
AR
AZ
walker
chandler
douglas/felton

Why would they ever put that lineup on the court? Cause they can? David Kahn, is that you?

You know I gonna spin wit it
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7/26/2010  10:44 PM
Vmart wrote:The true wildcard for the Knicks is Gallo and Chandlers development. Are they ready to make the leap into stardom. If they are they are well on their way to the playoffs if they aren't there will be no playoffs.

I can see Gallo, but I just don't see Chandler taking the next step. I think Trevor Ariza is the max upside for Chandler at this point, but he still has to take some steps to actually have the desire to do things on both sides of the ball... I keep hoping, but so far I don't see the upside.

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7/26/2010  10:49 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
AR
AZ
walker
chandler
douglas/felton

Why would they ever put that lineup on the court? Cause they can? David Kahn, is that you?

If you look at the way MDA likes to play, it's almost like, put five guys out there who can run, dunk, shoot 3's, block shots, and pass the ball.

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7/27/2010  12:04 AM
nixluva wrote:What is it exactly that you're arguing?

TMS wrote:he'll be a solid role player this season, nothing more.
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7/27/2010  12:29 AM
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:What is it exactly that you're arguing?

TMS wrote:he'll be a solid role player this season, nothing more.

Well there's nothing wrong with that, but it seems that you went a bit further in suggesting that he'll be gone. I think MDA loves guys like this and gets a ton out of them. In fact from a pure talent perspective he's the best of the bunch. Like I said his shooting is efficient and he's athletic as heck. Dude doesn't always show it off, but he's got a sick vertical, he's strong, fast and confident. I just don't see a downside in terms of a key rotation player. He can explode at anytime if given the shots. He's just got more talent than Q or Raja or Diaw.

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7/27/2010  12:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/27/2010  12:50 AM
that's correct... i'm suggesting he will be gone after the season is over... i think his expiring contract will be used as a piece in any trade Donnie makes from now til next summer, & if it isn't, then he will not be resigned because they will want to save all their cap flexibility to go after Melo... this is how i see things playing out.
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7/27/2010  12:57 AM
TMS wrote:that's correct... i'm suggesting he will be gone after the season is over... i think his expiring contract will be used as a piece in any trade Donnie makes from now til next summer, & if it isn't, then he will not be resigned because they will want to save all their cap flexibility to go after Melo... this is how i see things playing out.

That may well be, if Melo doesn't resign. Still it's not the same as saying that he'll be gone cuz he's not that good. Being replaced by a top tier player like Melo isn't really a knock on the guy. AZ can be very productive in limited time and I expect that's where his true value can be. Still we've got a replacement in tow already in Fields. Donnie, as you say, is keeping his options open.

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7/27/2010  1:13 AM
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:that's correct... i'm suggesting he will be gone after the season is over... i think his expiring contract will be used as a piece in any trade Donnie makes from now til next summer, & if it isn't, then he will not be resigned because they will want to save all their cap flexibility to go after Melo... this is how i see things playing out.

That may well be, if Melo doesn't resign. Still it's not the same as saying that he'll be gone cuz he's not that good. Being replaced by a top tier player like Melo isn't really a knock on the guy. AZ can be very productive in limited time and I expect that's where his true value can be. Still we've got a replacement in tow already in Fields. Donnie, as you say, is keeping his options open.

i don't think he's that good... i think he's a solid role player at best... you have a right to disagree & i have a right to my opinion... we'll see how things play out this season.

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7/27/2010  1:33 AM
AZ is not as bad as some might think.

Chandler - 15.3 - 5.4 - 2.1 asts in 35.7 mpg - 47%, 26%
Azubuike - 14.4 - 5.0 - 1.6 asts in 32.1 mpg - 46%, 44% in his last full season.

Chandler is considered a solid up and coming young player. AZ simply fits a need cuz he's a true SG. He'll spread the floor even better along with Gallo. With those shooting %'s if you don't think he can be successful, I don't know what to tell you. He also has elite athletic ability to go with that. You are underrating this kid IMO.

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7/27/2010  3:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/27/2010  3:14 AM
so what do you think he's gonna put up in this system on this roster? give me your estimation of what this guy is gonna bring to the table instead of criticizing my cap estimate of 14 & 5 & painting them as so unreasonable.
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7/27/2010  3:27 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Azubuike puts up the best numbers of anyone in that trade initially. I think Randolph is the gem of the trade but I don't see D'Antoni starting him or giving him more than20-25 minutes per game. I think Randolph deserves 30-35 minutes a night but with the coach in place I don't see anyway that he gets close to that.
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7/27/2010  11:09 PM
Yeah I think Azubuike is a sleeper. He missed last year so I think people forget he was really on the rise the season prior. He put up some very good numbers and could easily be the best SG we have on the roster. He's had some very big games against the Knicks as I recall (actually I just checked his highest career scoring average is against the Knicks!). Was always shocked he didn't get drafted...he was a high profile player at Kentucky
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7/27/2010  11:12 PM
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Vmart wrote:The true wildcard for the Knicks is Gallo and Chandlers development. Are they ready to make the leap into stardom. If they are they are well on their way to the playoffs if they aren't there will be no playoffs.

I can see Gallo, but I just don't see Chandler taking the next step. I think Trevor Ariza is the max upside for Chandler at this point, but he still has to take some steps to actually have the desire to do things on both sides of the ball... I keep hoping, but so far I don't see the upside.

Chandler is already better then Ariza

And still only 22 people forget that!! 22 and has started for 2 years

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7/27/2010  11:23 PM
Wouldn't be shocked if Buki didn't play a lick on this team

Not saying duke sucks but was just throw in for Randolph IMO

Chandler will start no doubt!!

Walker needs minutes and will play the 2 and 3 for us

Douglas will play a lot of minutes at the 2 ...... I see Fields getting roll there too!!

If Buki plays it will be limited minutes

Coach play 8 or 9 players

I see 10 that should play

Amare Felton Gallo Randolph Turiaf Chandler are definitely playing

Leaving 2 or 3 spots

Douglas plays (only other PG on team Rottens is rotten)

In my mind Walker is playing

Leaves one left

Gotta be Fields ( He can do too many thing in this offense)
Or Drago....... Size and fouls at the 5

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7/27/2010  11:24 PM
TMS wrote:10 & 4 over his career... he's not that good... he's solid on both ends but not great... just like any player, he can catch fire & put up a big game here & there... he's just another stopgap player with no future on this team... i'd almost rather see Bill Walker getting minutes over him off the bench just for the curiosity factor alone.

Think your right ...... Not to mention Walker put up those 3's here
Shot better from 3 and is more explosive

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7/27/2010  11:28 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I think anyone who watches a lot of basketball knows how good Azubike can be. If he is anything like he was before he was injured--then we have our stud 6th man. Im hesitant to put him there until I know he is OK but for those who havent seen him or have short memories--I give you this. Just think about the potential firepower with what we have. If he is healthy---all I will say is d m watch out.

Think AR starts off as our 6th man

Amare wants to start at PF
Gallo will start ( Spreading floor is key for )
So AR is not starting at C to begin year Turiaf or Drago

Leaving AR as 6th man ........

If AR starts gotta give Douglas shot at 6th man or Walker over Buki

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