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fishmike
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8/5/2010  1:19 PM
Turiaf and Azu are coming off injuries. Turiaf *should* be ready at start of season but Azu most likely will not which makes Hahn's article or choice for a SL pretty much throwing poop on the wall.

As a betting man I would say its Felton, Chandler, Gallo, AR and Amare. With Douglas, one of the centers and whoever wins the 8th spot in the rotation coming off the bench.

Knicks played well with JJ playing center last year and AR is bigger and strong and 1000x more skilled.

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8/5/2010  9:44 PM
Phil Weber was awesome tonight!

Gus Johnson is so dumb - "We haven't had a PG since Stephon Marbury!" Idiot.

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8/6/2010  5:48 AM
I like Phil Weber's enthusiasm- though I notice he basically admitted that D'Antoni didn't bother teaching defence when coaching the suns (something about after them blowing out so many teams, D'Antoni basically said "Pff! we can just outscore teams")- hope his attitude has changed! I also liked that he mentioned AR as a possible starter at the C spot- which I'd quite like to see.
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8/6/2010  8:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/6/2010  12:01 PM
smackeddog wrote:I like Phil Weber's enthusiasm- though I notice he basically admitted that D'Antoni didn't bother teaching defence when coaching the suns (something about after them blowing out so many teams, D'Antoni basically said "Pff! we can just outscore teams")- hope his attitude has changed! I also liked that he mentioned AR as a possible starter at the C spot- which I'd quite like to see.

Weber's enthusiasm is definitely infectious..You can really feel his excitement esp. while he was discussing all the new additions. I felt like all he kept saying was "we haven't had that.." when talking about each new player individually..He's right, we really haven't had this type of quality depth in a long time, the type of depth that should finally allow us to seriously compete at this level for a change...Got me pumped up listening to him..Weber & Kenny Atkinson are really good at what they do (Atkinson is a tireless worker that spends a lot of time in the gym with the players. I give a lot of credit to Atkinson when it comes to player development. He's the man behind the scenes -- I'm sure he had a lot to do with D Lee's progression for example).. I wasn't sure what to make of Mike's older brother Dan at first -- my original impression of Dan: a cross between Dennis Hooper's character (the drunken father 'Shooter') from the movie Hoosiers with a little Boomhauer from King of the Hill. LOL. It was only after researching his background, watching him coach the SL team and listening to him discuss stuff like his prior relationship with Ray Felton, how he makes it a point to continually stay on top of Bill Walker, etc. that I recognized his worth & value as a coach..We have a good coaching staff..Everyone seems extremely dedicated.

smackeddog --- to a degree you're right, Weber was talking offense there for a stretch but I gotta listen again -- I'm pretty sure Weber made it a point to say that they did preach defense in PHX, it only got better once they landed better defenders. For instance, he mentioned how Raja Bell made them so much better on the perimeter once he became a Sun..

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8/6/2010  10:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/6/2010  10:42 AM
playa2 wrote:Knicks Night Live talk

Alan Hahn Projected starters for the 2010 season:
Turiaf
Amare
Gallanari
Azuibuke
Felton

Bench
Curry
Randolph
Chandler
Walker
Douglas

I think if that is the starters the bench if healthy is a lil more athletic than the starting lineupif curry comes in healthy in his contract year.

Discuss

Ooph, that lineup is brutal. This is not a good team guys. You may want to hold off on buying season tickets because I dont see this team winning against 70% of the other teams in this league.

Some of these guys are solid, experienced players. But I just dont think that they are good enough.

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8/6/2010  12:54 PM
Found some clips from the show here for anyone that missed it..
KNL Out of Bounds clip (8/5):

http://www.msg.com/our-teams/knicks/knicks-night-live-out-of-bounds-1.47252

Phil Weber interview:

part 1
http://video.msg.com/Home/Knicks-Night-Live-Phil-Weber-Part-1-8-5

Part 2
http://video.msg.com/Home/Knicks-Night-Live-Phil-Weber-Part-2-8-5


KNL: Fans questions (8/5):

http://video.msg.com/Home/Knicks-Night-Live-Fan-Questions-8-5

I thought It was a great interview with Weber

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8/6/2010  9:56 PM
playa2 wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Playa,

D'antoni told Marbury to come in great shape and then he didn't play him.

Considering Marbury's selfishness, lack of integrity, and terrible reputation around the league, isn't this something that Marbury deserved?

Just because a coach tells you to come in great shape, doesn't mean he HAS TO give you minutes. Coming into camp in shap should be the job of every professional athlete.

Unless you're that bum Eddy Curry, that is. You guys know I was gonna throw that in there.

What you may have forgot is Walsh had no idea Danphoney wasn't going to play in the beginning of the season , becuz Walsh himself was going to use Marbury for trade bait as an expiring contract. Instead we bought him out(full pay) so Steph won the pissing contest between himself and Danphoney.

He may have won his battle, but as usual, he lost the war

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8/7/2010  5:17 PM
I thought it was a great episode. I was pumped up after watching it.

You Marbury apologists have a sickness or something. If you went into your jobs, didn't produce and acted like a crazy person, what would be the result? I doubt your boss would be inviting you over for dinner. Team was better off without him. It was Walsh's mistake for not getting rid of him earlier to give MikeD a clean slate to work with.

Mozgov and Walker are going to get minutes. Mike is a huge Walker fan.

Felton Chandler Walker Amare Randolph should get the bulk of the minutes. Who starts doesn't really matter.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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8/7/2010  8:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/7/2010  8:24 PM
regarding Curry,

All the talk from D'Antoni or Phil Weber about how "if he comes in ready to play, he'll get equal consideration," yadda yadda...is a steaming pile of bull. It's the same rhetoric we heard from them with Marbury. I fully believe D'Antoni has no intention of playing Curry at all, as this season his job may actually be on the line (and I think he knows it).

I think Hahn's starting lineup is what we're going to see if 'Buke is healthy. But I think the bench is going to be limited to just Douglas, Chandler, and Randolph, with everyone else on the outside looking in. Mason may find some time in a 9th man role, or if 'Buke isn't healthy.

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8/7/2010  8:27 PM
Also, Phil Weber strikes me as someone who would've made a killing as a used car salesman lol

He can sell the team to the fans, but I still don't know how good of a (assistant) coach he is. Better than the useless Herb Williams at least.

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8/9/2010  8:30 PM
playa2 wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Playa,

D'antoni told Marbury to come in great shape and then he didn't play him.

Considering Marbury's selfishness, lack of integrity, and terrible reputation around the league, isn't this something that Marbury deserved?

Just because a coach tells you to come in great shape, doesn't mean he HAS TO give you minutes. Coming into camp in shap should be the job of every professional athlete.

Unless you're that bum Eddy Curry, that is. You guys know I was gonna throw that in there.

What you may have forgot is Walsh had no idea Danphoney wasn't going to play in the beginning of the season , becuz Walsh himself was going to use Marbury for trade bait as an expiring contract. Instead we bought him out(full pay) so Steph won the pissing contest between himself and Danphoney.

Oh, he has. He has definately "won" big time. But its not surprising, since, he has always been good at "winning".

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8/13/2010  12:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/14/2010  11:55 AM
Anyone else have a problem with all the pro Isiah-coming-back-to-the-Knicks talk last night to leadoff the show?? Esp. from Alan Hahn -- I mean Jesus, what was this guy asleep throughout the IT dark years?? How soon he forgets. Dude's been the beat writer for this team for awhile now. He should know better..I don't even think it's that -- I think it's more a thing where this guy's hands are absolutely tied when it comes to commenting on anything controversal involving Jimmy Dolan...Consider what we're forced to read at the end of every Knicks article in Newsday: "...Newsday which is owned by cablevision, which is owned by MSG and the Dolan family" or some such nonsense..OK, OK. We get it already -- Jimmy runs the newspaper too...Hahn's position is clearly compromised -- his job should really be all about remaining impartial on anything Knicks, even if there's controversy surrounding Dolan and anything stupid he may have done or said..That's clearly not the case..I mean to come out and talk so favorably about Isiah coming back to the Knicks as a potentially good thing?? Come on man..Please..It was almost as bad as when Hahn mentioned that he really believes Curry should be the starting center this year. I thought that was a headscratcher but this Isiah stuff took the cake.

To evaluate Zeke fairly, all I can say is that he ran this team into the ground: bad personnel decisions (his trades and FA signings were abysmal -- he was slightly better in the draft coming up with David Lee and Trevor Ariza late [Ariza's a guy we never even got full value for in the Francis trade btw as we see now that he blossomed much later for the Lakers & then the Rockets] but awful with other higher picks -- Frye, Balkman, Collins (to be fair, I kinda liked Collins a little myself and 2 other guys I liked with that pick, Justin Williams & Alexander Johnson, haven't really panned out in the NBA although AJ appears to be on the cusp now with the Rockets). Even Nate & Demetris Nichols -- these were basically two trade acquisitions, not outright draft picks though Zeke was in charge of making those selections -- Nate has talent but was always too small to be a real factor and is possibly the league's most immature player. Nichols was never an NBA player), he never found a coach that worked out (and then even he got nothing out of his collection of players when he was forced to take over the coaching duties), piss-poor cap management throughout his tenure (more like non-existent) and all the off-the-court issues equaled nothing but complete embarrassment...And Hahn's gonna sit there and go off for a good 5 mins about how Isiah deserves another crack here? Wow...Couldn't believe what I was hearing..Normally Hahn comes off as a pretty sharp guy and a good writer -- last night however was pure BS MSG propaganda. Nothing more..I guess I just expect more from Hahn by now..Walsh and D'Antoni are the leadership now, like 'em or not..Bringing back Isiah would only confuse things and undermine Donnie & Mike's authority..I can't believe Dolan fails to realize that. Astonishing decision by Dolan really - that he was even considering this. Thank Christ the league stepped in and put the kibosh on it..But listening to Kahn talk about it, you would think Isiah won a championship here or something..I'm all for giving people second chances, but considering the scope of Isiah's failure here, his second chance needs to come somewhere else.. Kelly was perhaps the most objective -- stating that with former Detroit Pistons owner Bill Davidson's passing not too long ago (Davidson was apparently always at odds with Thomas and never really welcomed him back to Detroit properly) maybe now IT catches on with the Pistons eventually...Hey that's fine -- just as long as they keep him the hell outta here.

The first segment was pretty cringe-inducing but the rest of the show was solid enough:

-- Good interview with Roger Mason..For the little bit of money we gave him, I like the signing. I think he can help us.

-- Good interview with Jim Boeheim -- they covered quite a few topics with him: the current Team USA roster, other assistant coaches like himself & Jay Triano that now have a little more responsibility on Team USA's coaching staff filling in for the ailing D'Antoni (back problems), Carmelo Anthony, etc.

-- Sizing up the Eastern Conference -- Wally saying the Knicks may be the E. Conference's most underrated team and the Bucks the most overrated..I can definitely see that. Kelly mentioned the Heat as the most overrated, something he's maintained right from the first Knicks Live show post 'decision.' Kelly's right man -- Lebron, Wade and co. talking 5, 6, 7 championships...Please..Win one first you arrogant fools..LOL.

-- A good Bosh vs. Amar'e segment, although I think collectively the panel was selling Bosh a little short, esp. Wally S. I mean what did this guy average last year, something like 25 & 12? Wally was making him sound like a soft, one-dimensional jumpshooting/perimeter big like Channing Frye or something..I'm fine with Amar'e and every factor that went into bringing him here (the panel was hinting at Bosh using the Knicks at one point when he probably never really intended on going anywhere other than Miami -- I can see that. F Bosh -- I don't think he ever gave serious consideration to coming here. Amar'e did however and right off the bat) but Bosh is definitely a great player, much better than anyone on that panel was making him out to be.

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8/20/2010  12:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/20/2010  12:41 PM
They were talking about Melo's trade rumors last night.. http://video.msg.com/Home/KNL-Out-of-Bounds-Carmelo-Trade-Rumors-8-18
I don't think there will be a problem unless somebody wants to make a problem, ... If they really want to make a problem, they're going to have to make a decision about how they want to spend their adult life in terms of playing in the NBA or not.
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8/20/2010  12:57 PM
Notice how uncomfortable Herb gets when wasting his time talking about Eddy Curry!

http://video.msg.com/Home/Herb-Williams-Talks-Knicks-on-KNL-8-19

Looks like Eddy was working hard for perhaps as long as a week or two, working out doing 2 a days, then went home and has been AWOL ever since- I get the impression he hasn't been in touch or let the coaches know what the heck he's up to.

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8/20/2010  2:51 PM
smackeddog wrote:Notice how uncomfortable Herb gets when wasting his time talking about Eddy Curry!

http://video.msg.com/Home/Herb-Williams-Talks-Knicks-on-KNL-8-19

Looks like Eddy was working hard for perhaps as long as a week or two, working out doing 2 a days, then went home and has been AWOL ever since- I get the impression he hasn't been in touch or let the coaches know what the heck he's up to.

Eddy just had another kid. And running from the law. And those loan sharks out west.

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8/20/2010  5:11 PM
Amare & Curry in the post? hmmmm?
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8/21/2010  11:33 AM
Cosmic...man ...is there a link to the vid? Love those HD replays And ya know I don't get the
industries stance on this streamed stuff. It's not like we don't see all the commercials. If you watch
a couple you wouldn''t complain.

The NBA, MSG they should be streaming this stuff real time everywhere anyway at low res. And streaming HD
for those with the means to pay. On a per event basis.

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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8/21/2010  11:47 AM
Olbrannon wrote:Cosmic...man ...is there a link to the vid? Love those HD replays And ya know I don't get the
industries stance on this streamed stuff. It's not like we don't see all the commercials. If you watch
a couple you wouldn''t complain.

The NBA, MSG they should be streaming this stuff real time everywhere anyway at low res. And streaming HD
for those with the means to pay. On a per event basis.

lots of replay vids of KNicks Night Live on www.msg.com

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8/21/2010  11:51 AM
heh...thanks
Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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8/27/2010  9:26 PM
sticky this and post links to the weekly msg uploads, best knicks show ever (except when alan hahn speaks)
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