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7/22/2010  5:56 AM
I am back and forth on this...but I really am feeling more comfortable keeping Felton. Duke is a floor general to the highest. No injuries to worry about, and we don't have to worry about blowing this team up.

I would rather trade for Anthony later (Eddy, Chandler, Bukke, picks, money).

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7/22/2010  6:34 AM
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CrushAlot wrote:Paul is a beast and the Knicks definitely need to try and acquire him. My concern is that I beleive that he had his acl removed like Blair. That may not mean a lot but my guess is that it limits the years he can play. If he was draft pick I think he is worth the pick. As a known commodity I think you go for him but I don't think you commit more than 5 years if you can't get the contract insured.

He tore his meniscus. After reading this article, I'm actually worried he may not be the same player, or require constant knee surgeries in the future. He's still really young though.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/354816-knee-issues-could-potentially-hinder-future-of-nba-all-star-paul


That's quite concerning and totally changes how much I'd give up for Paul. I'd rather just keep what we have.
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7/22/2010  6:45 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
scoshin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Paul is a beast and the Knicks definitely need to try and acquire him. My concern is that I beleive that he had his acl removed like Blair. That may not mean a lot but my guess is that it limits the years he can play. If he was draft pick I think he is worth the pick. As a known commodity I think you go for him but I don't think you commit more than 5 years if you can't get the contract insured.

He tore his meniscus. After reading this article, I'm actually worried he may not be the same player, or require constant knee surgeries in the future. He's still really young though.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/354816-knee-issues-could-potentially-hinder-future-of-nba-all-star-paul


That's quite concerning and totally changes how much I'd give up for Paul. I'd rather just keep what we have.

I agree. I don't know how to evaluate his medical situation, but I hope that Donnie is very cautious about this.

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7/22/2010  7:32 AM
Shit just got real!
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According to a source with knowledge of his plan, Chris Paul has requested that the Hornets trade him to the Knicks, Magic or Lakers before the season begins.

"He wants out," the source told Ken Berger of CBS Sports. "He wants to play with another superstar. He wants to follow LeBron's model of teaming up with other great players."

NBA sources say that members of Paul's camp told them recently, "He's not going to start the season in New Orleans."

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Excellent!

Curry,Chandler... and what... Walker, Douglas... our 2075 pick (lol).

Get it done DON Walsh get it done.!

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7/22/2010  7:38 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Im going to puke if I hear another trade Ar or Gallo and everything else for Chris Paul thread. You guys don't know business--you work from strength not weakness. Right now the Hornets sit in a strong position--they will sck us dry for a player who NEEDS to prove he is healthy. On top of which there is no Flocking way Im trading Gallo or Ar for ANYONE not named LBJ and that is not happening anyway--Give Felton a chance my goodness--stop freaking out--we have a good young team. the WORST F move would be to trade all of the young guys and have Chris Paul and Amare Stoudmeore blow out their F knees in the fist 10 games. If you REMOVED Gallo and Ar from this team and added Chris paul we would still NOT be close. Lets play with what we have.If I see one more trade our core for Chris paul I will counter with 30 Bynum posts:)
Briggs, I totally agree with you on NOT trading our young core for CP3. And I also agree with you on getting Lin; and liking David Lee. What's happening...am I thinking like you or are you thinking like me?
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7/22/2010  7:54 AM
Cosmic wrote:Shit just got real!
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According to a source with knowledge of his plan, Chris Paul has requested that the Hornets trade him to the Knicks, Magic or Lakers before the season begins.

"He wants out," the source told Ken Berger of CBS Sports. "He wants to play with another superstar. He wants to follow LeBron's model of teaming up with other great players."

NBA sources say that members of Paul's camp told them recently, "He's not going to start the season in New Orleans."

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Excellent!

Curry,Chandler... and what... Walker, Douglas... our 2075 pick (lol).

Get it done DON Walsh get it done.!

Did you read the article of the severity of Paul's injury?

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7/22/2010  8:01 AM
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If the Knicks are going to land a second star this summer, which was the plan going in, it's going to take some effort on the part of that star player, be it Carmelo Anthony or Chris Paul. According to a report from Ken Berger of CBS Sports.com, Paul is already doing his part.

K-Berg cites a person with direct knowledge of the all-star guard's plans saying Paul "wants to play with another superstar" and "follow LeBron's model of teaming up with other great players." Paul has the Knicks on his wish list, along with the Lakers and Magic, and has informed the Hornets that these would be his preferred destinations.

Berger cites another NBA source that said members of Paul's camp have told the Hornets, "He's not going to start the season in New Orleans."

The Knicks are very much aware of Paul's interest, just as they are of Carmelo's interest in passing on the contract extension with the Nuggets to make himself available as a free agent in 2011. The catch is, unlike free agency, the Knicks can't actively pursue Paul (who won't be free until his opt-out in 2012) unless the Hornets make it clear they are open to shopping him.

The most recent intelligence I have been able to gather on this is that Donnie Walsh in May made initial contact with former Hornets GM Jeff Bower about Paul. Bower told Walsh that the franchise was going through an ownership transfer and, as a result, it wasn't the right time to discuss moving the franchise's most valuable player. Bower didn't exactly close the door, but he made it clear there wasn't any rush to move the player, either.

Several teams started making calls to Bower about Paul, including the Magic. Otis Smith denied it publicly because, well, he had to. What started to upset Hornets president Hugh Weber was that Bower was taking the calls and listening to offers. The two got into a heated argument on July 12 at the team's hotel in Las Vegas during the NBA Summer League and Bower resigned as GM the next day.

Bower knew Paul wanted out because Paul knew the Hornets -- whether it was current owner George Shinn or Gary Chouest, whom is in negotiations to take over as majority owner -- weren't going to be able to afford to sustain the type of payroll it would take to build a championship-contending team around him. Paul has grumbled quietly while the Hornets, with decisions based on finances, dismantled a team that won 56 games and reached the second round of the playoffs in 2007-08.

He maintained loyalty to the franchise and to New Orleans, a desperate city. But at 25 years old, Paul's greatest concern is losing his prime years on a team that has no chance to compete in the challenging Western Conference.

How could he not take heed of Kevin Garnett's words, which we reported here in the Fix, which he spoke in regards to LeBron James after the Celtics eliminated the Cavaliers in the second round of the playoffs?

"Loyalty is something that hurts you sometimes because you can't get youth back," Garnett said. "I can honestly say if I could go back and do my situation over, knowing what I know with this [the Celtics] organization, I would have done it a little sooner."

I have been making parallels between Paul and Garnett since last year. Garnett kept staying loyal to the T-Wolves until he finally got himself to publicly accept the idea of leaving to pursue championship aspirations. He was traded to the Celtics in July 2007 and won a title that season. Two years later, Boston reached the NBA Finals and lost in seven games to the Lakers. It might have been that group's last shot at another ring, especially with the juggernaut that has emerged in Miami.

With that in mind, it is crystal clear that Paul is starting to take the necessary steps to begin the process of breaking ties with the Hornets. It started when he left his agency, Octagon, and signed with LRMR Marketing and Branding, a Cleveland-based firm which, of course, is bankrolled by his buddy, LeBron James, and run by James' friend and business partner, Maverick Carter.

The move came the day after Paul was in Akron with LeBron on July 6 for James' basketball camp. Paul knew when he left Akron the next day that LeBron was going to Miami. He didn't need to watch 'The Decision' to find out.

That weekend, Paul was back with James at Carmelo Anthony's wedding in New York City. As we first reported here in the Fix, Paul was talking up a storm about how he wanted to get Melo to come with him and join Amar'e Stoudemire (also at the wedding) with the Knicks in New York.

The Knicks, of course, were very aware. There's a reason why the team made the moves they did this summer after giving a $100M commitment to Stoudemire, the plan went back to preserving cap space and maintaining flexibility for the future. The David Lee trade yielded three quality players, one or two which could be viewed as assets or, possibly, players who could make others already on the roster (read: Wilson Chandler) more expendable.

The set up wasn't too difficult. The execution of the end game will be. First, the Hornets don't have to trade Paul. Second, they can demand a heavy price in return, plus force a team to take on another big contract to save them money. Paul is scheduled to make $15.2M this coming season and $16.6M in 2011-12 and $18.1M in 2012-13.

What we know is a franchise such as this won't be interested in taking back big contracts, so the Lakers would have to get very creative (but if you consider the Pau Gasol trade, they always seem to find a way, don't they?). Could Paul co-exist with Kobe? That would be worth seeing. But Kobe has great trust in Derek Fisher and Fisher comes cheaper.

In Orlando, Paul and Dwight Howard could be a stellar pick-and-roll duo, with the perfect supporting cast of perimeter players (Rashard Lewis and JJ Redick) to kill sagging defenses. The Magic, who could really liven up the Florida rivalry with the Heat, could offer Jameer Nelson (affordable $6.7M with three years left), but New Orleans would probably be better off going forward at point guard with younger, cheaper and just as talented Darren Collison. What other young, high-ceiling player do the Magic have to offer? No one.

Now for the Knicks, where Stoudemire is yet another perfect complement big for a dynamic point guard (recall his years with Steve Nash) and the D'Antoni system is tailor made for his talents. (And, of course, Isiah Thomas will be quick to remind Garden brass how often CP is compared to him and how Paul has consistently expressed his admiration for Isiah's success on the basketball court. But the Knicks don't need a recruiting tool at this point, they need someone who can pull of what, right now, appears to be an impossible deal).

The Knicks absolutely love Anthony Randolph, who came as the centerpiece of the David Lee sign-and-trade. But would the Hornets be interested in Randolph ($1.9M), who, by the way, played at LSU, as a main piece? The Knicks could add Chandler ($2.1M) and Toney Douglas ($1.07M) then include Eddy Curry's expiring $11.2M and agree to take another hefty contract off the Hornets' payroll, such as Emeka Okafor, who has four years and $52M left on his deal. Okafor and Curry are almost a match in salary for 2010-11, so the issue would be matching Paul's $15.2M with cheap players. The Knicks only have about $2M in cap space left. They could try to engage a third team, of course. And then there's this: do they consider including Danilo Gallinari?

Keep in mind that point guard Raymond Felton, who signed a two-year deal, can't be traded until December. The Knicks are fine with waiting on Paul and people I've talked with believe this is a situation that isn't likely to be resolved quickly. The longer it drags out, the better it is for the Knicks. But they have to be careful not to allow another team to sneak in the back door.

The team I see as a quiet threat would be the Oklahoma City Thunder. You recall Paul enjoyed playing in OKC when the Hornets were displaced by Hurricane Katrina in 2006-07. The Thunder also have cap space and tremendous young assets to offer, starting with Russell Westbrook and Jeff Green. Kevin Durant is a superstar already in place on the team and he and Paul could be a dynamic duo.

Right now, Bower's replacement, Dell Demps (previously Spurs VP of Basketball Operations) has his work cut out for him. While teams such as the Knicks will be sure to call Demps and get a sense of his strategy, attempts will be made by Demps to reach out to Paul, discuss the future and see if the team can talk him back into the fold, especially for the sake of rookie coach Monty Williams.

But Paul has different voices in his ear now: those of Maverick and the LRMR crew, who are congratulating themselves over the colossal move LeBron made to Miami. How much power does LRMR really have? Before they signed Paul, their most notable client was Jonny Flynn. Now they have a major star with major endorsement deals (Right Guard, for one) and a very likable brand.

LeBron may have spurned the Knicks, but perhaps he has a consolation prize to offer.

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7/22/2010  8:19 AM
I would try not to trade Gallo, AR, Amare. After that, the Hornets can take whatever they want, picks included I say. I think if we get Paul, don't lose Gallo, AR, and Randolph, we'd be right behind with Miami. Might even be more balanced
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7/22/2010  8:43 AM
I agree with the Briggy Camp of thinking over Starphuch aspirations such as dream't up by Marvolous Mav Carter. My thinking is we progress nice and let assets mature and gain value. We also get closer to our own picks.

Naturally "Win" now is more fun.

AR can be a special player and I am under a firm belief you need a player like Gallo to win. Why? Youthier, easy on the cap and a special skill set that most teams need to succeed.

Just cuz Paul wants this does not mean it happens or happens at a big price. Nobody put a gun to Pauls head and made him sign a long term deal and the infection of the Maverick Carter syndrom of the players dictating to the owners is going to have reprecussions.

I liked using Dlee as a center piece for any Paul trade so anything we got there is ok with me.

I can see how a paul trade can kill our cap to outright sign melo. I only give up Gallo if Melo is a shoo in. Not that Gallo is Melo, but they do the same thing.

The pressure for the Shinn and Hornets from other owners is going to be intense. This is where the owners might make a stand for players taking over and "demanding" trades.

Owners are going to use this for collective bargaining leverage.

And lets not feel too bad for the players like they are enslaved or somthing, these guys get fully guaranteed contracts and its all good when they are hurt. Thats huge.

If players want choices then NFL style contracts which is ultimatly good for the league should be the compromise. Bottom line is the league has a lot fewer big contract guys then not. The union generally wants the smaller contracts to increase and for that to happen the stars have to make less.

My guess is Chris Paul moving is more complicated and for him to come here without AR and Gallo and no Melo is not going to do as much as we want.

Hornets have to make a good trade and sell it to their fans. Not easy.

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7/22/2010  9:01 AM
Briggs is completely right on this one.

Giving up everything for Paul is a bad mistake, especially when you consider he is coming off an injury.

I wonder if Chris Paul would do what Vince Carter did to get out of out Toronto.
Basically packing it in and playing like crap on purpose. It is a low thing to do, but was obviously effective.

My take on all this:
Felton was drafter right after Chris Paul & Deron in the 2005 Draft.
Those 3 were always projected to be top notch Point Guards.

Felton has been hindered by Larry Brown's half court sloth offense that does not lend itself to Felton's strengths.
His strength being his quickness and ability to attack the basket in transition.

We have to give him the opportunity to show us and the rest of the NBA what he can really do.
It is entirely within the realm of possibility that he is just a few notches below Chris Paul.
In which case I would rather have Felton at 8 million than Paul at 15 million.
It would allow us to beef up another part of the rotation that needs help.(mostly at the SG position)

We are very balanced right now and I would hate to ruin that for the sake of starphuching.
Depth and balance is the one thing we have over a team like Miami, we cannot give that up.

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7/22/2010  9:43 AM
yeah, i think acquiring Paul will take either Gallo or AR, possibly both. there is no way i would do both, and i'd be loathe to even give up one of those guys.

but you know D'Antoni has to be pushing for CP3 at this point.

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7/22/2010  9:54 AM
I don't think Chris Paul is Isiah Thomas no matter what the stats say. IT was one of the toughest MFers to ever play and had things you could not put into stats.

Also My bet is Ray Felton will be avg 16-10-3.5 46%--why do we need to give up anything for that position unless it was for absolute pennies on the dollar. Giving NO a premium deal just to say we got Chris Paul could backfire powerfully.

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7/22/2010  10:00 AM
Anyone who wouldn't trade Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph for Chris Paul is a sick man. We're talking about CP3. A franchise PG. A player who will be an MVP candidate EVERY season. A Amar'e Stoudemire/CP3 pick-and-roll would just be unstoppable. And that PF/PG duo is probably the best since Karl Malone and John Stockton. I'm sorry, I know some of you get hardon's for having young players on the team but when a player like CP3 becomes available, you do everything in your power to get him.

And I think some of you are too unrealistic with Gallo and Randolph. They are not Dirk Nowitzki or Chris Bosh. And some are worried about CP3's knee - what about Gallo's back and Randolph's ankle?

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7/22/2010  10:03 AM
iSergio wrote:Anyone who wouldn't trade Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph for Chris Paul is a sick man. We're talking about CP3. A franchise PG. A player who will be an MVP candidate EVERY season. A Amar'e Stoudemire/CP3 pick-and-roll would just be unstoppable. And that PF/PG duo is probably the best since Karl Malone and John Stockton. I'm sorry, I know some of you get hardon's for having young players on the team but when a player like CP3 becomes available, you do everything in your power to get him.

And I think some of you are too unrealistic with Gallo and Randolph. They are not Dirk Nowitzki or Chris Bosh. And some are worried about CP3's knee - what about Gallo's back and Randolph's ankle?


Lets trade Gallo AR Chandler Felton 3 number 1 picks lol

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7/22/2010  10:08 AM
As others have already stated, I don't think there's anyway we get both CP and Melo.
That said, I'm not convinced that we're favorites to get Carmelo anyway.
I mean, why would we be? Has he stated a desire to play here? I'm sure it will be a crap shoot just like it was this off-season.
1 in the hand is worth two in the bush. I think if we can lock up CP at the expense of a shot at Melo, you do it.
Not to mention that you lock in one of the most important positions on the floor.
If you have CP and STAT, you'll have other opportunities to get a star wing.

But after all that, I agree with Briggs, that I don't give up all our assets to get it done.
We already have 1 max player on a less than 100% knee. I'm not that excited about doubling our
chances at having a lame max player on the payroll. If we can get him without giving up Gallo or AR, I consider it.

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7/22/2010  10:11 AM
If this was 2 yrs ago I would be willing to trade the farm for CP3. Have to admit, like others have mentioned before me, I'm a little concerned about the knee issue. I would like to see him play some before I pull the trigger. But if he can get back to form, Gallo or Randolph would have to go. You have to give to get. CP3 willed that Hornets team to 56 W's 2 yrs ago and they certainly didn't have 56 win talent. He could have easily won MVP that year. When healthy, CP3 is one of the top 5 most impactful players in the game.
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7/22/2010  10:11 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
iSergio wrote:Anyone who wouldn't trade Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph for Chris Paul is a sick man. We're talking about CP3. A franchise PG. A player who will be an MVP candidate EVERY season. A Amar'e Stoudemire/CP3 pick-and-roll would just be unstoppable. And that PF/PG duo is probably the best since Karl Malone and John Stockton. I'm sorry, I know some of you get hardon's for having young players on the team but when a player like CP3 becomes available, you do everything in your power to get him.

And I think some of you are too unrealistic with Gallo and Randolph. They are not Dirk Nowitzki or Chris Bosh. And some are worried about CP3's knee - what about Gallo's back and Randolph's ankle?


Lets trade Gallo AR Chandler Felton 3 number 1 picks lol

I changed my mind. Let's stay how we are and win 35 games next year.

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7/22/2010  10:12 AM
iSergio wrote:Anyone who wouldn't trade Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph for Chris Paul is a sick man. We're talking about CP3. A franchise PG. A player who will be an MVP candidate EVERY season. A Amar'e Stoudemire/CP3 pick-and-roll would just be unstoppable. And that PF/PG duo is probably the best since Karl Malone and John Stockton. I'm sorry, I know some of you get hardon's for having young players on the team but when a player like CP3 becomes available, you do everything in your power to get him.

And I think some of you are too unrealistic with Gallo and Randolph. They are not Dirk Nowitzki or Chris Bosh. And some are worried about CP3's knee - what about Gallo's back and Randolph's ankle?


Gallo showed that he can play. Paul hasn't post-injury. His post-injury #s in about 10 games were actually unimpressive. And the fact that he had his meniscus removed could be very bad for reasons discussed the article cited earlier. I don't know enough about Randolph's ankle to comment on it, though.
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7/22/2010  10:13 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
iSergio wrote:Anyone who wouldn't trade Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph for Chris Paul is a sick man. We're talking about CP3. A franchise PG. A player who will be an MVP candidate EVERY season. A Amar'e Stoudemire/CP3 pick-and-roll would just be unstoppable. And that PF/PG duo is probably the best since Karl Malone and John Stockton. I'm sorry, I know some of you get hardon's for having young players on the team but when a player like CP3 becomes available, you do everything in your power to get him.

And I think some of you are too unrealistic with Gallo and Randolph. They are not Dirk Nowitzki or Chris Bosh. And some are worried about CP3's knee - what about Gallo's back and Randolph's ankle?


Lets trade Gallo AR Chandler Felton 3 number 1 picks lol

Let's just re-hire Isiah!

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7/22/2010  10:13 AM
i said time and time again, i like paul just as much as lebum and that doenst change. his injury give cause to pausing but this ia THE best point guard in the league arguably. you have to explore options and if it cost us ar then do it. i hear melo is closer to signing an extension anyway so the flexibility for next year will be for naught unless we want yao ming. this would be a gift that we cant pass up. and i dont think we have to give up BOTH gallo and ar but one or the other and i think it should be ar. they will have to give him a rigorous physical or maybe wait until ray felt can be traded. by then we will see if cp3 is still the man. but we cant, like hahn said, let a team "backdoor" us.
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