TMS wrote:

Nalod wrote:
I don't think the fan sounded bitter. AR is all that he said. He is very young so you gotta have hope his upside of both his head and his body grow.

i don't think he sounded bitter either... i think the author was giving an honest personal assessment on these players... we might not all agree w/his observations, but i think it's always interesting to get a viewpoint from the other side of the fence when it comes to trades... seems the posters who were hyping AR when he was drafted are very excited about us getting him now, which is totally understandable, yet i wonder where the same patience & optimism was when we drafted another 20 year old kid named Gallinari? all this talk about how young players need to be given time to grow & mature, & yet those same arguments were dismissed when it came to Gallo a year ago.

How can we dispute any negative until the kid suits up.

Maybe with the right combo EVERYONE gets better!!!!!

I remember Chamberlain scoring big points vs Reed, but never saw Willis fold up- he just went back at him on the other end. I remember Spencer Haywood torching DeBusschere, one of the great defenders of his day, for over 40, but after the game Dave probably had his usual 6 pack, went home, and started over next game- never worried about what happened because he knew that if some guys get going, you just can't stop them. Same goes for Clyde's epic encounters vs Monroe and West.

Randolph can't dwell on any particular play in a game and let it affect him the rest of the game. I also wonder how he takes criticism from his coaches. How will he react when MDA come out to him after calling a timeout and starts giving him the look he used to give Nate.

I think that MDA is going to have to be responsible for working AR into the offense so that his excesses on the court are minimized, and the many skills he does have are maximized. Nelson would sometimes let Randolph bring the ball up the court, almost as if he was a PG. I don't want to see this done by design on the Knicks, and I don't want to see him going 1/1 and hoisting up jumpers. Randolph has to understand that he will be given a lot of freedom within a certain framework, but that he is not going to be playing 1 on 5. He has to understand that he is not the PG on the team, which I think he sometimes believes.

I also think he is a better passer than the GS poster says he is- just needs to be in a situation where he can pass it. I have seen him make some wonderful assists, and he averaged about 1.3 last year, which tells me that he can pass the ball. He also has a good midrange shot when he is under control- just look at his form on the shot. Just don't ask him to hit 3s because I don't think it is going to happen.

Glad we got him after 2 years in the NBA- I look at it like we drafted him out of his junior year.

Nalod wrote:

TMS wrote:

Nalod wrote:
I don't think the fan sounded bitter. AR is all that he said. He is very young so you gotta have hope his upside of both his head and his body grow.

i don't think he sounded bitter either... i think the author was giving an honest personal assessment on these players... we might not all agree w/his observations, but i think it's always interesting to get a viewpoint from the other side of the fence when it comes to trades... seems the posters who were hyping AR when he was drafted are very excited about us getting him now, which is totally understandable, yet i wonder where the same patience & optimism was when we drafted another 20 year old kid named Gallinari? all this talk about how young players need to be given time to grow & mature, & yet those same arguments were dismissed when it came to Gallo a year ago.

How can we dispute any negative until the kid suits up.

Maybe with the right combo EVERYONE gets better!!!!!

i don't doubt he will get better... never even implied that to be the case... i just sense a double standard around here, a huge benefit of the doubt & universal hope being given to AR, but a huge amount of doubt when it came to Gallo a year ago from the same individuals... the wait & see approach when it comes to young players seems to apply for some & not for others... we got the same kinds of reactions about Jordan Hill after a few SL games & handful of regular season games as well

TMS wrote:

Nalod wrote:

TMS wrote:

Nalod wrote:
I don't think the fan sounded bitter. AR is all that he said. He is very young so you gotta have hope his upside of both his head and his body grow.

i don't think he sounded bitter either... i think the author was giving an honest personal assessment on these players... we might not all agree w/his observations, but i think it's always interesting to get a viewpoint from the other side of the fence when it comes to trades... seems the posters who were hyping AR when he was drafted are very excited about us getting him now, which is totally understandable, yet i wonder where the same patience & optimism was when we drafted another 20 year old kid named Gallinari? all this talk about how young players need to be given time to grow & mature, & yet those same arguments were dismissed when it came to Gallo a year ago.

How can we dispute any negative until the kid suits up.

Maybe with the right combo EVERYONE gets better!!!!!

i don't doubt he will get better... never even implied that to be the case... i just sense a double standard around here, a huge benefit of the doubt & universal hope being given to AR, but a huge amount of doubt when it came to Gallo a year ago from the same individuals... the wait & see approach when it comes to young players seems to apply for some & not for others... we got the same kinds of reactions about Jordan Hill after a few SL games & handful of regular season games as well

i will personally guarantee you that anthony randolph will have a better career than jordan hill. how's that?

look at it like the a previous poster said - if AR had stayed in school he would have been heading into the draft after his junior season this year. there's no way he goes lower than 4 overall, possibly he goes 2 overall.

crzymdups wrote:

TMS wrote:

Nalod wrote:

TMS wrote:

Nalod wrote:
I don't think the fan sounded bitter. AR is all that he said. He is very young so you gotta have hope his upside of both his head and his body grow.

i don't think he sounded bitter either... i think the author was giving an honest personal assessment on these players... we might not all agree w/his observations, but i think it's always interesting to get a viewpoint from the other side of the fence when it comes to trades... seems the posters who were hyping AR when he was drafted are very excited about us getting him now, which is totally understandable, yet i wonder where the same patience & optimism was when we drafted another 20 year old kid named Gallinari? all this talk about how young players need to be given time to grow & mature, & yet those same arguments were dismissed when it came to Gallo a year ago.

How can we dispute any negative until the kid suits up.

Maybe with the right combo EVERYONE gets better!!!!!

i don't doubt he will get better... never even implied that to be the case... i just sense a double standard around here, a huge benefit of the doubt & universal hope being given to AR, but a huge amount of doubt when it came to Gallo a year ago from the same individuals... the wait & see approach when it comes to young players seems to apply for some & not for others... we got the same kinds of reactions about Jordan Hill after a few SL games & handful of regular season games as well

i will personally guarantee you that anthony randolph will have a better career than jordan hill. how's that?

look at it like the a previous poster said - if AR had stayed in school he would have been heading into the draft after his junior season this year. there's no way he goes lower than 4 overall, possibly he goes 2 overall.

this is not about AR vs. Jordan Hill dude... based on their potential i also wouldn't doubt that AR's upside is probably much bigger than Jordan Hill's... that's not the argument... it's a general tendency for certain fans who are willing to give young players the time & the opportunity to show what they can do before casting final judgements when it's a prospect they've touted, but show none of the same patience for other prospects that were never on their radar... Gallinari came in & played all of 5 NBA games before people were pronouncing him as a stiff legged Euro bust not too long ago... will the same people that dogged Gallo in 2008 be as quick to judge AR if he struggles to begin the 2010 season? i'm not so sure.

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TMS wrote:
i don't doubt he will get better... never even implied that to be the case... i just sense a double standard around here, a huge benefit of the doubt & universal hope being given to AR, but a huge amount of doubt when it came to Gallo a year ago from the same individuals... the wait & see approach when it comes to young players seems to apply for some & not for others... we got the same kinds of reactions about Jordan Hill after a few SL games & handful of regular season games as well

Yup...

Look at them as major league pitching prospects- Anthony is the pitcher who can top out at 99 MPH and is lights out when on, but is wild and loses focus, Gallo has pretty good control and is consistent, but rarely tops 90 MPH, although he seems to get the job done.

People are always going to give the Anthony type pitcher more time to develop- that's just how it goes, but Gallo, Hill, Douglas, and now maybe Rautins take hits from some for not playing at a certain standard from day one in the SL, or early in the season.

Depending upon the player, I see 3 years, for younger players, and 2 for older rookies, as the time I need to determine what they are going to bring to the table down the line. (Then you get a guy like Lee, who takes 4 years to develop a shot, and then makes the midrange jumper the best weapon in his arsenal- go figure.)

I think a lot of us have already reached our conclusion about Douglas- he is going to be a nice combo guard scorer/defensive sparkplug, but he is never going to be your first choice as a starting PG.

Still having trouble with Chandler- have to admit that- I still don't have a grasp of what his upside is.

I think Gallo will continue to progress, and by the end of this year (Maybe the next if he has not put on the muscle I think he needs.)you should what you have in him.

Randolph is the big mystery, though. Will he be a combination of Lamar Odom and Camby, which I think he can be, or continue to be a spectacular, but inconsistent, 20 MPG guy who makes the highlight clips but does not play to his true potential?

Paladin55 wrote:I think Randolph's issue is more about his emotional composure on the court than his BB IQ. Fans and the media make a big deal about certain moments and big plays in a game, or battles, so to speak, and ultimately, the only thing that matters is the war. When Randolph loses his composure and overreacts to something in a game his effectiveness decreases, and so far he hasn't shown the resiliency of a mature player.

I remember Chamberlain scoring big points vs Reed, but never saw Willis fold up- he just went back at him on the other end. I remember Spencer Haywood torching DeBusschere, one of the great defenders of his day, for over 40, but after the game Dave probably had his usual 6 pack, went home, and started over next game- never worried about what happened because he knew that if some guys get going, you just can't stop them. Same goes for Clyde's epic encounters vs Monroe and West.

Randolph can't dwell on any particular play in a game and let it affect him the rest of the game. I also wonder how he takes criticism from his coaches. How will he react when MDA come out to him after calling a timeout and starts giving him the look he used to give Nate.

I think that MDA is going to have to be responsible for working AR into the offense so that his excesses on the court are minimized, and the many skills he does have are maximized. Nelson would sometimes let Randolph bring the ball up the court, almost as if he was a PG. I don't want to see this done by design on the Knicks, and I don't want to see him going 1/1 and hoisting up jumpers. Randolph has to understand that he will be given a lot of freedom within a certain framework, but that he is not going to be playing 1 on 5. He has to understand that he is not the PG on the team, which I think he sometimes believes.

I also think he is a better passer than the GS poster says he is- just needs to be in a situation where he can pass it. I have seen him make some wonderful assists, and he averaged about 1.3 last year, which tells me that he can pass the ball. He also has a good midrange shot when he is under control- just look at his form on the shot. Just don't ask him to hit 3s because I don't think it is going to happen.

Glad we got him after 2 years in the NBA- I look at it like we drafted him out of his junior year.

Great Post.

I also dont want Randolph at center because I dont think his body could take the pounding. Gallo and Randolph at the Forward spots would be ideal. Gallo can play SF on offense and Randolph can play SF on defense.