Knixkik wrote:You can't judge a shooter on 5 games of basketball. You can knock other parts of his game, but not shooting based on 5 games. That's my game so i know what it's like.

Did not stop folks around here from going after Douglas' offense- especially his shot- after last year's SL, despite his track record as a scorer and shooter in college.

Folks are more upset because they see other players- guys they liked- who looked a little less overwhelmed in their SL games.

If Rautins begins knocking down the 3s and does not look completely lost on D, people will come around on him. I still see him starting out in the DL this year, though.

Rautins is a "fit" guy and will benefit when the other parts are working in some order.

Douglas put up numbers, but had the ball in his hands every possible moment. That guy needs to be traded for a real table-setter or future picks. I don't see how he has any value to the current knicks.

Rautins was a bad pick at 38, one among many for Walsh, but he isn't a bad player. I thought during the season that Rautins should be looked at for a FA pickup. Who on this team has had better passes than Andy? TD hasn't even looked for anyone.

earthmansurfer wrote:I'm pretty shocked as most are with the Rautins pick. Watching him in summer league, he looks like he has a good handle and is a pretty good passer. His defense was actually ok. But he COULDN'T create his own shot.

I think you are setting expectations incorrectly; Rautins was never expected to create his own shot.

He has to be open. I don't know if he needs space but weren't they talking about his quick release? Not only was he hesitant but he seemed afraid. I accept that he will make the team but I'm pretty disapointed we didn't take a chance with a high upside guy (Just 1!!!!). Remember how Sephen Curry shot horrendous last year, well, that is my one little bit of hope with Rautins.

like Briggs, I can't believe we didn't move up and grab Whitside. You know, Lebron not making his announcement (which he new about way before it seems), was like manipulation. It cost us drafting better players and buying a 1st round pick for Hobson or Whitside imo. I really hope those 3, along with all there tag alongs, NEVER win a ring together.

The answer to both of those bolded parts: Jordan and Timofey.

KNICKSdom wrote:

playa2 wrote:

KNICKSdom wrote:I wanted Stephenson over Rautins and once again Knicks pass the hometown golden boy. Knicks need stop being afraid of drafting their kind if they drop on their laps gift wrapped.

Golden boy , I think not. Danphoney couldn't handle this kid that's why we didn't take him, NYC inner city kid not happening with mike. The run in with Stephon gave Mike nightmares, no way was he bringing in a kid from NY on his watch.

Marbury is a different animal. Stephenson is a young man ready to be a player for his hometown Knicks. Just crazy to pass on him with the skill set he have. Lance had his off court problems sure but who has not when you live in the inner city?

listening to his interviews, the kid doesn't sound very bright... dunno if that's a factor of his intelligence level or just the fact he's not good at giving interviews... MDA seems to prefer guys who have high intelligence & character intangibles... kid's talent seems undeniable tho.

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TheGame wrote:

Cosmic wrote:I rarely agree with BRIGGS but he's dead on with this one.

Andy Rottens should just be cut.

Jerome Jordan as well but he won't be because we invested in the trade so I understand holding onto him until the last moment.

Our SL team was terrible (I didn't watch today, I will try to catch the re-run tomorrow, and if I can I will upload the game for you guys), and honestly the only guys out of the entire lot that should even be looked at as 14th/15th men are Marcus Landry and Fields. If you have a third space you give Ewing Jr the nod.

The others are terrible....and I concur with everyone who dislikes the drafting we did. Not that we were looking for home runs so late in the draft but jeez...at that point you take the big gambles, such as Lance as has been pointed out.

I don't know what we were thinking.

In fact I've said it before we should have tried to package both 2nd rounders and try to move up even just a handful of slots so we had a shot at better talent.

I dunno...the draft isn't a deal breaker for us but we wasted it anyway.

What the Knicks were thinking is chemistry. Why bring in a guy like Stephenson? Yeah, you have a 50% chance that he turns into something good, but you also have a 50% chance that he turns into a cancer that hurts your lockerroom. We finally have gotten rid of all the problem players (Marbury) and ball-hogs (Harrington). The only bad apple left is Curry and he won't be here for too much longer. I would rather draft high-character guys with less upside, than take a bunch of risks. Drafting guys like Lee and Fields usually turns out better than taking chances on questionable guys like Stephenson.

cmon are you serious..then you wouldnt of wanted rodman on your team..youd rather of had pitts smith a real gentleman..if the knicks had rodman those years instead of smith the knicks wouldve won a couple of championships..but you enjoy finishing second with character guys like smith..

Rodman was a proven player and the Bulls had Jordan and Pippen. We are talking about rookies. Obviously, there are going to be exceptions, but you don't build a team with questionable players, especially not rookies. Stephenson may blowup, but it is probably more likely to happen outside New York than in New York.

Papabear wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Cosmic wrote:I rarely agree with BRIGGS but he's dead on with this one.

Andy Rottens should just be cut.

Jerome Jordan as well but he won't be because we invested in the trade so I understand holding onto him until the last moment.

Our SL team was terrible (I didn't watch today, I will try to catch the re-run tomorrow, and if I can I will upload the game for you guys), and honestly the only guys out of the entire lot that should even be looked at as 14th/15th men are Marcus Landry and Fields. If you have a third space you give Ewing Jr the nod.

The others are terrible....and I concur with everyone who dislikes the drafting we did. Not that we were looking for home runs so late in the draft but jeez...at that point you take the big gambles, such as Lance as has been pointed out.

I don't know what we were thinking.

In fact I've said it before we should have tried to package both 2nd rounders and try to move up even just a handful of slots so we had a shot at better talent.

I dunno...the draft isn't a deal breaker for us but we wasted it anyway.

What the Knicks were thinking is chemistry. Why bring in a guy like Stephenson? Yeah, you have a 50% chance that he turns into something good, but you also have a 50% chance that he turns into a cancer that hurts your lockerroom. We finally have gotten rid of all the problem players (Marbury) and ball-hogs (Harrington). The only bad apple left is Curry and he won't be here for too much longer. I would rather draft high-character guys with less upside, than take a bunch of risks. Drafting guys like Lee and Fields usually turns out better than taking chances on questionable guys like Stephenson.

Papabear Says

We are going back to the lottery this season and won't even have a pick. I Just don't beleive in D'Antoni's run and gun system. The Last game in the summer league showed the knicks giving up 100 plus points. That tells me no defense.

i think perhaps you are not really trying to look at the Knicks' roster hard enough.

Knicks upgraded almost every position and added 2-way role players.

Players need to return to form from injuries but the roster is better.

Not sure how you can take a look at SL roster and then project it on the real roster.