martin wrote:

KnicksSince88 wrote:

martin wrote:

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martin wrote:

KnicksSince88 wrote:Rautins doesn't have dead legs. He's just not that good a shooter. Never has been. I don't know where this thought pops up that his shooting ability is anything to write home about by NBA standards. Its the only thing he can do and he doesn't even do it that well. At Cuse the guy had ONE year where he shot it well from 3 (his senior season). Entering his senior season he was just a 35% career 3 point shooter behind a college line. He was a waste of a pick, if hes playing ball in 2 years it will be on another continent

did you watch him much at Syracuse?

Im not a big college basketball fan but his numbers speak for themselves. He did not, by any stretch of the imagination, display anything but an average perimeter shooting touch until his senior year. 35% behind a college line through his first 3 seasons, nothing whatsoever to write home about especially from a guy who will have to butter his bread on the next level on his shooting touch

I didn't watch him either but over here in Western NY all I talk to tell me how more than half his 3pointers where from NBA land distance.

Well im sure they love him in Western NY. I have a couple friends there who are Cuse fans and can vividly recall them telling me nonsense about how Gerry Macnamara could have a career in the league. I just don't hold out any hopes for Rautins though. I see one borderline NBA skill and its not even efficient enough to carry him

love has nothing to do with what I just told you, neither does Gerry Macnamara.

True, what you told me was excuse making from apparent Cuse fans for his wholly mediocre perimeter shooting numbers over his 4 seasons there

"Yea he wasnt a great 3 point shooter, but thats because most of his threes come from WAY behind the line" is like something an 8 year old fanboy would say. If true, we could certainly question his intelligence and shot selection in addition to his shooting touch

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martin wrote:

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martin wrote:

KnicksSince88 wrote:

martin wrote:

KnicksSince88 wrote:Rautins doesn't have dead legs. He's just not that good a shooter. Never has been. I don't know where this thought pops up that his shooting ability is anything to write home about by NBA standards. Its the only thing he can do and he doesn't even do it that well. At Cuse the guy had ONE year where he shot it well from 3 (his senior season). Entering his senior season he was just a 35% career 3 point shooter behind a college line. He was a waste of a pick, if hes playing ball in 2 years it will be on another continent

did you watch him much at Syracuse?

Im not a big college basketball fan but his numbers speak for themselves. He did not, by any stretch of the imagination, display anything but an average perimeter shooting touch until his senior year. 35% behind a college line through his first 3 seasons, nothing whatsoever to write home about especially from a guy who will have to butter his bread on the next level on his shooting touch

I didn't watch him either but over here in Western NY all I talk to tell me how more than half his 3pointers where from NBA land distance.

Well im sure they love him in Western NY. I have a couple friends there who are Cuse fans and can vividly recall them telling me nonsense about how Gerry Macnamara could have a career in the league. I just don't hold out any hopes for Rautins though. I see one borderline NBA skill and its not even efficient enough to carry him

love has nothing to do with what I just told you, neither does Gerry Macnamara.

True, what you told me was excuse making from apparent Cuse fans for his wholly mediocre perimeter shooting numbers over his 4 seasons there

"Yea he wasnt a great 3 point shooter, but thats because most of his threes come from WAY behind the line" is like something an 8 year old fanboy would say. If true, we could certainly question his intelligence and shot selection in addition to his shooting touch

neither of us have watched Cuse much at all and all I am trying to do is pass along some 411 on this dude from locals who have watched him day-in and day-out. No excuse making, just info.

Syracuse was the #1 team in the country for a while, and I think Rautins was the consensus leader of that team.

That's pretty much what I know about him. Hasn't shown much in SL.

You post like your panties are kinda tight. loosen them up man!

Rautins was the consensus leader of the team? A guy by the name of Wes Johnson won the big east player of the year award, and went 4th in this years draft. Id say he had infinitely more to do with any success Cuse had this season, at least in the minds of big east followers who voted, and NBA GMs who gauged both of their talent. I dont mean to come off angry, not my intention if i am. I just view this kid as a totally wasted pick

Rautins will be playing in another country if hes playing anywhere

CrushAlot wrote:McNamara grew up just outside of Syracuse. He is loved and respected there. However, nothing that I have seen so far in the two and a half games I have watched him play indicate that he has any business being invited to training camp.

McNamara is from PA. You must mean Rautins. His dad is from Canada about 4 hrs away

JohnWallace44 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:McNamara grew up just outside of Syracuse. He is loved and respected there. However, nothing that I have seen so far in the two and a half games I have watched him play indicate that he has any business being invited to training camp.

Some of you guys are posting some pretty clueless 'Cuse info here.

McNamara is not from Syracuse. He's from PA. Maybe you're thinking of Flynn (Niagara Falls)?

Rautins was at times a better player than Wes Johnson for the 'Cuse last year. He can run the point, has great court vision, makes great outlet passes and probably leads the Summer League in steals at this point.

Should he have been drafted where he was? No. Is he a terrible player on the level of Roberson? No. He's far superior to Roberson.

JohnWallace44 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:McNamara grew up just outside of Syracuse. He is loved and respected there. However, nothing that I have seen so far in the two and a half games I have watched him play indicate that he has any business being invited to training camp.

Some of you guys are posting some pretty clueless 'Cuse info here.

McNamara is not from Syracuse. He's from PA. Maybe you're thinking of Flynn (Niagara Falls)?

Rautins was at times a better player than Wes Johnson for the 'Cuse last year. He can run the point, has great court vision, makes great outlet passes and probably leads the Summer League in steals at this point.

Should he have been drafted where he was? No. Is he a terrible player on the level of Roberson? No. He's far superior to Roberson.

Rautins couldn't create his own shot much, he had two Bigs( Arinze Onuaku,- Rick Jackson) who drew double teams alot and freed him up along with the versatile Wesley Johnson. That left Rautins basically free most of the time on the perimitter.

This has to be a genuine case for (community pick) ! Many Syracuse alumni come to the garden.

A few of my friends are big-time Syracuse fans, and all of them liked Andy Rautins. He was clutch, he was great in that zone defense, he was a team leader and he improved every year. What more can you ask for in a college player? Rautins's strengths are his shooting ability and his toughness. His weaknesses are his lack of athleticism and his consequent poor man-defense. From what I saw in college, Rautins was more than just a shooter. What I saw in college is turning out to be just plain wrong.

Although I'm the biggest proponent of the "It's only Summer League" mentality, there is a general rule of thumb when you are dealing with Summer League. If a player is very good in Summer League, that's a pretty good sign. If a player is very bad in Summer League, that's a very, very bad sign. You see, players who are capable of playing in the NBA typically do pretty well in Las Vegas, sometimes pushing it to the point of showing off (just ask Anthony Morrow, Reggie Williams, Anthony Randolph, Nate Robinson, etc.). Hell, capable NBA players having a really bad summer still show that they belong on the floor and will sporadically abuse whoever is guarding them (just ask Bill Walker).
Andy Rautins, in each of the three games he's played in so far this summer, has looked like the worst player on the floor for stretches of clock. Never has he been the worst player on the floor thoughout the game (well, maybe once), but looking as bad as he has even for stretches, is a bad omen.

I like Andy Rautins and I know that what I'm saying is recklessly premature. I just worry when our newest "great shooter" goes 4-14 from three and 28% total from the floor. He isn't missing tough shots, either. He's missing wide open gimmes with no one in front of him. I worry.

but like paladin said.. since Andy is white, someone in the knicks organization is part of the illumiwhitey and owes a favor to his father, leo.

"We could have still had Jordan Hill and probably gotten rid of what's his name without having to give him up."

Deciding that you are such a great negotiator that you could have made a better deal with Houston than what Donnie got is pure unadulterated BS. Overpaying was not the wrong idea. In fact, it was such a good idea that if Miami and Chicago hadn't followed suit, NY probably would have have gotten Lebron.

Giving away a ton of stuff to allow the Knicks to buy two max free agents instead of one, was right on target. The proof is that Miami and Chicago were forced to follow suit in order to stay in the game.

Ira wrote:Walsh didn't make a mistake by going for LeBron. He would have made a tragic mistake by not going for him. When the best player in the league is going to be available, you have to give it your best shot. Not doing that would be unforgivable.

if only curry's contract wasnt on the books, lebron wade and bosh would have been in ny.....

Landry Fields, G, New York Knicks
When he first steps onto the court and when he walks off of it at game's end, the perceptions of Fields changes dramatically. He looks like a deer (compared to most NBA players in his position) but plays like a tiger. Smooth with the ball, aggressively attacking angles, a fluid shot -- he has a perfect game for the Knicks' offense. If he's one of the two worst offensive players on the floor, then that offense will be extremely potent. Every time I saw him play I said to myself, "Great draft pick."

Andy Rautins, G, New York Knicks
Rautins was drafted, ostensibly, for the same reasons Fields was: The Knicks targeted shooters with their two second-round picks. But through three games, Rautins struggled to make shots and does not have anywhere near the overall game Fields does. But no shooter should be judged on just three games, so Rautins still has plenty of time, including practices, to prove his value. He does not offer much more than a hustling shooter, though, so it will be tougher for him to make the team without sharp shooting.