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nyk4ever
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7/15/2010  4:02 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Sad when players say the same things fans says. Mike D'Antoni's offense is jack 3's.

is that your take? cause then your understanding is as good as The Knucklehead's.

here comes martin to the rescue!!

I think martin gets notifications in his e-mail acct every time someone speaks ill about MDA. What I love is you keep defending MDA's offense but you never bother to explain it.

kinda like when you said no one here knew a thing about anthony randolph and when i asked to provide names, all you could do was name me - which in itself is beyond stupid since other than briggs, i probably saw the kid more than anyone else.

keep comin at people though, you'll get one right eventually...

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7/15/2010  4:02 PM
martin wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Sad when players say the same things fans says. Mike D'Antoni's offense is jack 3's.

is that your take? cause then your understanding is as good as The Knucklehead's.

here comes martin to the rescue!!

I think martin gets notifications in his e-mail acct every time someone speaks ill about MDA. What I love is you keep defending MDA's offense but you never bother to explain it.

I am not defending it at all - that would be more on the lines of saying it's the best thing since sliced bread - but I am calling folks out who think it's all about shooting 3pointers, that's plain dumb.

Every NBA offense has a certain amount of spacing and 3point shooting involved, no other way around that.

A majority of PHO's offense when MDA was there was pick-n-roll with Amare and Nash, no? With shooters to help balance the floor.

One of the premises of the SSOL offense is to initiate offense before the other teams' defense is not set - pushing the ball and trying to get something easy within the first 7 seconds is the first option but not the only one. In fact, you could say that Showtime with the 80s Lakers was kinda the same (the pushing the ball up the court part).

A large part of what was told to us about what MDA was talking to LeBron about during the Knicks' presentation was all of the options with pick-n-roll sets with LeBron and Amare; nothing about 3point shooting.

Like that.

Actions speak louder than words. D'Antoni didnt even run SSOL in Phoenix because last time I checked Nash did/does a whole lot of dribbling.

I suppose Don Nelson should give his system a acronym and a description of how it would be run in theory but not the real world.

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martin
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7/15/2010  4:04 PM
seriously guys, what do you think MDA's offense is?

jack it up from 3point land or just whenever?

Of the guys who were on the Knicks over the past 2 years, do you think any but Duhon and Lee really got it or at least started to understand what to do?

Harrington, Hughes, Jefferies have all shown us that they are pretty inept on the offense end throughout their careers. Poor shooters and/or chuckers. I would categorize Nate and Harrington as knuckleheads on any team (yeah yeah Nate had like 2 minutes of nice play surrounded by 14 vets on Boston, so what). Douglas and Gallo were still learning. We all know that Chandler is a slow learner and after the first month was explicitly told to not shoot the 3pointer unless he absolutely had to. That comprises the players who had the majority of minutes who tried to play for MDA. Not much there, right?

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7/15/2010  4:05 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Sad when players say the same things fans says. Mike D'Antoni's offense is jack 3's.

is that your take? cause then your understanding is as good as The Knucklehead's.

here comes martin to the rescue!!

I think martin gets notifications in his e-mail acct every time someone speaks ill about MDA. What I love is you keep defending MDA's offense but you never bother to explain it.

I am not defending it at all - that would be more on the lines of saying it's the best thing since sliced bread - but I am calling folks out who think it's all about shooting 3pointers, that's plain dumb.

Every NBA offense has a certain amount of spacing and 3point shooting involved, no other way around that.

A majority of PHO's offense when MDA was there was pick-n-roll with Amare and Nash, no? With shooters to help balance the floor.

One of the premises of the SSOL offense is to initiate offense before the other teams' defense is not set - pushing the ball and trying to get something easy within the first 7 seconds is the first option but not the only one. In fact, you could say that Showtime with the 80s Lakers was kinda the same (the pushing the ball up the court part).

A large part of what was told to us about what MDA was talking to LeBron about during the Knicks' presentation was all of the options with pick-n-roll sets with LeBron and Amare; nothing about 3point shooting.

Like that.

Actions speak louder than words. D'Antoni didnt even run SSOL in Phoenix because last time I checked Nash did/does a whole lot of dribbling.

I suppose Don Nelson should give his system a acronym and a description of how it would be run in theory but not the real world.

yeah, that kinda seals it for me. you have no clue as to what you are talking about.

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7/16/2010  2:09 AM
10 hours, 16 beers and a ton of Crown later and nada?

What do you guys think SSOL is? This is disappointing to the community. Swishfm3, CrushAlot, AnubisADL ... let me know your thoughts.

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7/16/2010  2:20 AM
Harrington's "post" play consisted of barrelling into three defenders, hoisting up a shot, and then looking at the ref and smacking his arm as the other team goes on the fast break. Perhaps it was a blessing that D'Antoni told him to just park his butt at the arc.
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7/16/2010  2:56 AM
martin wrote:10 hours, 16 beers and a ton of Crown later and nada?

What do you guys think SSOL is? This is disappointing to the community. Swishfm3, CrushAlot, AnubisADL ... let me know your thoughts.

Uhh, isn't it self explanatory? Push the ball, and get a good open shot within the first 7 seconds before defenses have time to set or matchup with their man. Requires good ball movement and no ball-stopping 1-on-1 play.

If you want to go into it more specifically, D'Antoni's system requires 3 shooters to space the court, 2 of whom should be ready to make a backdoor cut if they catch a defender napping (which will happen more often than not during the first 7 seconds), and a high post pick-n-roll play between the PG and center.

Honestly, I think some of our players just got a bad sense of D'Antoni's system cause Duhon sucked and never actually pushed the pace. And after December/January, teams soon realized that all they had to do was cut off the passing lane to David Lee to screw over our pick-n-roll, and there went our primary offense (since Duhon didn't pass to anyone else). So really, all we did last season was run the PnR in a half-court set, and when that failed, we passed it to a shooter who either chucked up a 3, or stopped the ball and made an iso move (even Gallo was a culprit of this and took on some Harrington tendencies). As Clyde would say, "we had no continuity"

I think Felton's going to explode next season and I wouldn't be surprised if he takes a most improved player award. He may not be a Steve Nash, but what a lot of people don't realize is that SSOL doesn't really require Steve Nash's ridiculous shooting ability or pinpoint passing. All it requires is a PG who can push the ball and make good, quick decisions cause he's otherwise executing basic basketball plays.

Harrington burned D'Antoni...

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