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Why do people want Rudy Fernandez so much?
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Finestrg
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7/15/2010  10:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2010  10:11 PM
Looks like Utah will not match the 5 yr., $34M dollar offer sheet Portland offered Wes Matthews Jr. about a week ago..Very curious move on both sides -- Portland already had an overabundance of wings even w/o Matthews and now overpays for more of the same and on the other side, the Jazz just lost a valuable component--together with the loss of Korver it leaves them considerably thin at the 2 behind CJ Miles (who always seems to be injured-Miles has yet to play in all 82 games in any of his 5 seasons). Jerry Sloan has got to be pulling his hair out right about now -- He lobbied for the team to bring back Boozer and I know for a fact he liked Matthews a lot.

I think this move definitely signals the end of Rudy Fernandez in Portland. Frank Isola is reporting that NY still has interest in Rudy and where there's been smoke for such a long time, there's usually fire. My gut tells me this guy will be a Knick before the start of the season. Donnie and MDA love the guy, Pritchard is no longer in Portland (he was perhaps Rudy's biggest fan out there) and Rudy has said he wants NY..Looks like it might require a third team to strike a deal though:

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2010/07/new-york-knicks-still-covet-ru.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fblogs%2Fknicks+%28Blogs%2FKnicks+Knation%29

Too bad we signed Mozgov and Utah dealt away Kosta Koufos to Minny as part of the Al Jefferson deal -- Sending Chandler to Utah for Koufos and a pick would've made a lot of sense right now, esp. with Utah losing Matthews & Korver.

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7/15/2010  11:27 PM
I guess everyone is expecting Rudy to have a breakout season and finally pass that single digit mark.
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7/15/2010  11:37 PM
Right now I would take just about everyone on the Knicks over the Blazers players. They say that Blazers don't want anything on our roster when it should be the other way around.
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7/15/2010  11:39 PM
iSergio wrote:Maybe we can have this conversation when Rudy Fernandez puts up 15/5, plays D and shoots 46%.
In addition, if he could subtract two years from his age and block a shot a game he might be worth considering as a replacement to the Knicks 23 year old small forward who's numbers are not that far behind Rudy Gays.
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7/15/2010  11:43 PM
The euro guard mentality is that of a frantic penetrater that creates activity. Nash mastered this and took it to another level able to see space before it happened. Nash is the perfect euro style guard on the planet.

MDA has got to be foaming at the mouth to get Rubio and mold him. Rubio is locked into the rookie scale but can make so much in endorsements, naturally even more so in NYC! And yet, Rubio is still a project.

If logic pervailed, Lebron would be in NYC. SO what do I know?

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7/15/2010  11:43 PM
I don't think Rudy should be compared to Chandler. I'm sure everybody understands that.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/15/2010  11:45 PM
If Rudy can blossom under the MDA way, then yeah bring him in.
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7/15/2010  11:48 PM
simrud wrote:I don't think Rudy should be compared to Chandler. I'm sure everybody understands that.

Chandler is often the guy mentioned to be traded for Rudy. The Knicks seem to be on a mission to give away Chandler.
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7/15/2010  11:56 PM
I would think the return for Chandler would be more than just Rudy. Maybe Rudy and a future 1st round pick I might consider.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/16/2010  2:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2010  2:48 AM
Nalod wrote:If Rudy can blossom under the MDA way, then yeah bring him in.

But he didn't like him in Phoenix. He was the one that traded him right away at the 2007 draft. Ironically enough the players that the Suns were interested in were Chandler and Dudley. Who were taken right before they pick. This is also the same guy who said he needs to take a lot of shots to be effective in his last outing where Blazers could have use some production. Something MDA said worried him after he was traded. Be careful with this guy.

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7/16/2010  11:07 AM
Rudy had a great rookie year, got a lot of hype and was well liked by the Blazer fans. Last year he managed to completely undo all of that, had various injury problems, started complaining about his role and the teams system, lost his ability to shoot, stunk in the playoffs and became hated by Blazer fans. So the people who want Rudy on this team are the people who remembered him from his rookie year, and the people against getting him are the ones who saw him play last year.

I would definitely NOT trade Chandler for him, as I don't think Rudy has much trade value at all- apart from last years showing, he has also threatened to go to europe unless traded to a select few teams (new york was one of them, but thats when we had Sergio as they were friends). One or two second round picks is all I'd offer, and if the Blazers refuse, then it's no big deal. I think he can be good again, and we do need a shooting guard, but it's not a good idea to give up anything of value for him as at any time he can carry out his threat to go back to europe if he isn't happy with his minutes/shots.

I personally think he might get traded to Chicago now that their JJ Reddick signing has fallen through and they are greatly lacking in the shooting guard spot.

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7/16/2010  11:14 AM
It would seem that negotiations for a trade have already take place.

My bet would be that Donnie is low balling the Blazers with an offer and the Blazer's are trying to find something better on the market.

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7/16/2010  11:16 AM
Kelena Azubuike > Rudy Fernandez
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7/16/2010  11:23 AM
iSergio wrote:Kelena Azubuike > Rudy Fernandez

You know, I keep saying I'm pleased we got Azubuike, but I'll be honest- I've never seen him play and know nothing about him except his shooting percentages looked good and he's been called a good defender- has anyone actually seen him play much?

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7/16/2010  11:25 AM
iSergio wrote:Kelena Azubuike > Rudy Fernandez...

...Assuming he is back to where he was prior to his injury.

The real question- the answer to which may make Chandler trade bait- is whether Azubuike is a better SG than Chandler is, and Donnie is thinking about this as we speak, I expect.

Personally, I'm not a big Rudy fan, and would rather keep Chandler, but the Knicks may be thinking that a Rudy/Azu combo is better than 35 MPG of Chandler at this point.

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7/16/2010  11:28 AM
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iSergio wrote:Kelena Azubuike > Rudy Fernandez

You know, I keep saying I'm pleased we got Azubuike, but I'll be honest- I've never seen him play and know nothing about him except his shooting percentages looked good and he's been called a good defender- has anyone actually seen him play much?

All I can remember is watching him against us a few years ago and wondering where he came from and how he looked pretty good for an undrafted player.

He improved almost every year in college, and was doing the same thing before his injury last year.

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7/16/2010  12:26 PM
smackeddog wrote:
iSergio wrote:Kelena Azubuike > Rudy Fernandez

You know, I keep saying I'm pleased we got Azubuike, but I'll be honest- I've never seen him play and know nothing about him except his shooting percentages looked good and he's been called a good defender- has anyone actually seen him play much?

Actually, its the cool name.

its a derivative of "Bukkake" so he has to be good!

Wishful thinking is prevelant with our new players.

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7/16/2010  12:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2010  1:21 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
iSergio wrote:Kelena Azubuike > Rudy Fernandez...

...Assuming he is back to where he was prior to his injury.

The real question- the answer to which may make Chandler trade bait- is whether Azubuike is a better SG than Chandler is, and Donnie is thinking about this as we speak, I expect.

Personally, I'm not a big Rudy fan, and would rather keep Chandler, but the Knicks may be thinking that a Rudy/Azu combo is better than 35 MPG of Chandler at this point.

Good assessment Pal..I think you hit the nail right on the head. If Azubuike's healthy he's a real nice component, I think starting SG caliber..Athletic shooter/scorer/capable defender...Alan Hahn mentioned quickly on the latest Knicks Live special that Kelenna feels he'll be ready for training camp. Don't know if that's totally accurate but coming directly from Kelenna, it sounds like good news..Definitely encouraging..Someone on the Knicks Live panel, forgot if it was Gus, Kelly or Hahn, also compared him to Raja Bell and I think that's pretty accurate...Buke might even be better than Bell to be honest but definitely similar..This dude's a player that should thrive here if healthy..

I tell ya, when you think about GS, they sure have had there problems putting together a finished product that clicks but there's no denying that team knows how to pick the right d-league players...I mean it's uncanny -- every single player they've brought up the last few years has become a major contributor -- CJ Watson, Kelenna Azubuike, Anthony Tolliver (saw on hoopshype that the Knicks might be interested in this dude btw), Chris Hunter (played much better for GS than he did for us) and now Reggie Williams who looks like the best call up of them all. And I believe there are others that don't come to mind right now as well..Williams' strong play I think had a lot to do with them trading Maggette and also in their willingness to deal Anthony Randolph for Lee..that team has even drafted pretty well the last few years...I'd keep an eye on their scouting department personnel--if the new ownership ever decides to part ways with anyone in their scouting dept, they should get a job here in a nano second--Lord knows we could use the help..The proof is in the pudding --- those guys are flat out good at what they do.

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7/16/2010  1:04 PM
Nalod wrote:

Wishful thinking is prevelant with our new players.

I'm guilty of that wishful thinking too- despite all 3 Golden State players having major, season ending injuries that nearly a year later still haven't fully healed, and reports indicating Turiaf and Azubuike may have to have more surgery, I'm still just assuming they'll be back at 100% come the start of the new season with no linger effects!

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7/16/2010  1:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2010  1:26 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Nalod wrote:

Wishful thinking is prevelant with our new players.

I'm guilty of that wishful thinking too- despite all 3 Golden State players having major, season ending injuries that nearly a year later still haven't fully healed, and reports indicating Turiaf and Azubuike may have to have more surgery, I'm still just assuming they'll be back at 100% come the start of the new season with no linger effects!

Me too but when you hear Randolph say he's ready to go, Turiaf too and now Hahn reporting that he heard directly from Azubuike himself that he'll be ready for training camp, it's pretty encouraging...

Someone remind me -- what was Turiaf's big injury last year? I know he had the major heart procedure done while he was with the Lakers but he's moved past that...How did he hurt himself last year for the Warriors? I don't remember..

Why do people want Rudy Fernandez so much?

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