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fishmike
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7/13/2010  11:23 AM
franco12 wrote:
TMS wrote:
martin wrote:
TMS wrote:
martin wrote:
buddapaw wrote:
Solace wrote:
buddapaw wrote:
Solace wrote:This is MDA's first real year of coaching, IMHO, because before that we had terrible teams. Anything less than 36 wins, barring it being due to a major injury to Amare, and I think you have to consider firing him. My expectation this year is playoffs (at least 40-41 wins), and I think the Knicks front office is thinking the same way.

A coach gets paid to coach regardless of the team he has, let me go into a board meeting to make a crappy presentation with half assed materials then blame the said half assed materials for my crappy presentation and see how quickly i would be looking for another job. HE GOT A TON O' CASH TO COACH, IT'S ABOUT TIME HE STARTS EARNING HIS MONEY.

Nice. I'm just saying this is the first time we can really make a judgment. It's not giving him a pass. It was saying that there is no pass this time. How did you twist that around?

Why? He coached like he had a pass for the past two years, I lost all faith in this guy since the Bender deal and the constant jacking up of three point shots. His style is not Knicks basketball nor championship basketball.

if I handed you a pile of **** and some eggs and asked you to make brownies, what would they taste like?

Scott Skiles got good mileage out of his pile of **** last year... unless you think Jennings, Bogut & a buncha role players was a vastly superior roster than the one we had?

I do. Throw in Salmons who tore it up for 30 games for them, KThomas who is super solid off bench. Bogut a true All-star C, and their PG tandom was more than solid.

You think Bogut and Jennings is a pile of ****? I thought towards the end MIL def did overachieve, but in a good way. They deserved to make the playoffs.

no, i don't think they're a pile of ****, just using your colorful reference to state a point... IMO the Bucks were no more talented a roster than the one MDA had to work with last year... KThomas is a super solid off the bench guy but Al Harrington who puts up 19pg is crap? come on dude... David Lee put up better numbers than Bogut last year... then there's Gallo, Wilson & TD, all 3 who showed they could play at a high level last year... is John Salmons that much better than Wilson Chandler?... yes, MIL has a bonafide star PG in Jennings, but Gallo isn't exactly chopped liver either... you just admitted the Bucks overachieved under Scott Skiles... my point was he did a much better job than MDA did in getting his guys to play to their potential & beyond... do you disagree w/that assessment?

Funny, but people were pushing to dump KT as addition by subtraction, and now somehow he is some great sub when he's on another team.

Darko will soon follow when Minny does better than us this year

it gets old. Same thing w/ DLee. People used to say we will never win w/ Kurt Thomas at center we have to get rid of him. Yet nobody had an answer for where are the 10 rebs and post defense like it just going to come from the ether.

We have enough bigs. Turiaf, Amare, AR, Timo and Jordan. Plus Gallo and Chandler can play PF in a pinch.

I would be more inclined to give a defender on the wing some burn, a guy like Raja Bell.

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martin
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7/13/2010  11:23 AM
TMS wrote:
martin wrote:
TMS wrote:
martin wrote:
buddapaw wrote:
Solace wrote:
buddapaw wrote:
Solace wrote:This is MDA's first real year of coaching, IMHO, because before that we had terrible teams. Anything less than 36 wins, barring it being due to a major injury to Amare, and I think you have to consider firing him. My expectation this year is playoffs (at least 40-41 wins), and I think the Knicks front office is thinking the same way.

A coach gets paid to coach regardless of the team he has, let me go into a board meeting to make a crappy presentation with half assed materials then blame the said half assed materials for my crappy presentation and see how quickly i would be looking for another job. HE GOT A TON O' CASH TO COACH, IT'S ABOUT TIME HE STARTS EARNING HIS MONEY.

Nice. I'm just saying this is the first time we can really make a judgment. It's not giving him a pass. It was saying that there is no pass this time. How did you twist that around?

Why? He coached like he had a pass for the past two years, I lost all faith in this guy since the Bender deal and the constant jacking up of three point shots. His style is not Knicks basketball nor championship basketball.

if I handed you a pile of **** and some eggs and asked you to make brownies, what would they taste like?

Scott Skiles got good mileage out of his pile of **** last year... unless you think Jennings, Bogut & a buncha role players was a vastly superior roster than the one we had?

I do. Throw in Salmons who tore it up for 30 games for them, KThomas who is super solid off bench. Bogut a true All-star C, and their PG tandom was more than solid.

You think Bogut and Jennings is a pile of ****? I thought towards the end MIL def did overachieve, but in a good way. They deserved to make the playoffs.

no, i don't think they're a pile of ****, just using your colorful reference to state a point... IMO the Bucks were no more talented a roster than the one MDA had to work with last year... KThomas is a super solid off the bench guy but Al Harrington who puts up 19pg is crap? come on dude... David Lee put up better numbers than Bogut last year... then there's Gallo, Wilson & TD, all 3 who showed they could play at a high level last year... is John Salmons that much better than Wilson Chandler?... yes, MIL has a bonafide star PG in Jennings, but Gallo isn't exactly chopped liver either... you just admitted the Bucks overachieved under Scott Skiles... my point was he did a much better job than MDA did in getting his guys to play to their potential & beyond... do you disagree w/that assessment?

i have no idea how you evaluate players and rosters but here is my take.

MIL was much more balanced. They have a true all star 2-way player in Bogut who starts at C, not an undersized non-defensive 6'9" guy. I guess you can say that DLee put up better numbers than Bogut, but that doesn't really paint an accute picture of what is going on on the court. They have 2 PG tandem that is waaayyy better than average, one who is an emerging star. Salmons helped them a ton at the tail end of the year. Their role players IMHO over achieved.

Who was NY's SG? Hughes (who can't shoot a lick), Chandler (who can't spread the floor)?

They had to start Jefferies cause Duhon (who couldn't make a shot) couldn't guard anyone, but that also left a guy on the court who couldn't shoot.

Harrington's 18 points off the bench may seem nice but for me he was a black hole, played zero defense and was pretty much a knucklehead. Free Candy for a good reason.

MIL starts with a better roster and Skiles certainly maximized their talents; MDA had a far worse roster and did not.

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LivingLegend
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7/13/2010  11:28 AM
You really do have to throw out the last 2 years.

We had a bunch of guys on the roster that knew they were simply free agent cap space fodder at the end of the day.

Even our most valuable young assets like Lee and even Nate --- had to think their time was limited.

It's very difficult to keep a bunch of guys like that focused and playing hard when they are all playing for themselves. The coach can preach all he wants but the players aren't fools and can read the writing on the wall. Just think about the guys like Marbury, Hughes, Harrington, Thomas, Curry, Nate, Z-Bo, Crawford --- that lined this roster the past 2-years. That is like the gulf oil spill of NBA players.

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7/13/2010  11:52 AM
martin wrote:
TMS wrote:
martin wrote:
TMS wrote:
martin wrote:
buddapaw wrote:
Solace wrote:
buddapaw wrote:
Solace wrote:This is MDA's first real year of coaching, IMHO, because before that we had terrible teams. Anything less than 36 wins, barring it being due to a major injury to Amare, and I think you have to consider firing him. My expectation this year is playoffs (at least 40-41 wins), and I think the Knicks front office is thinking the same way.

A coach gets paid to coach regardless of the team he has, let me go into a board meeting to make a crappy presentation with half assed materials then blame the said half assed materials for my crappy presentation and see how quickly i would be looking for another job. HE GOT A TON O' CASH TO COACH, IT'S ABOUT TIME HE STARTS EARNING HIS MONEY.

Nice. I'm just saying this is the first time we can really make a judgment. It's not giving him a pass. It was saying that there is no pass this time. How did you twist that around?

Why? He coached like he had a pass for the past two years, I lost all faith in this guy since the Bender deal and the constant jacking up of three point shots. His style is not Knicks basketball nor championship basketball.

if I handed you a pile of **** and some eggs and asked you to make brownies, what would they taste like?

Scott Skiles got good mileage out of his pile of **** last year... unless you think Jennings, Bogut & a buncha role players was a vastly superior roster than the one we had?

I do. Throw in Salmons who tore it up for 30 games for them, KThomas who is super solid off bench. Bogut a true All-star C, and their PG tandom was more than solid.

You think Bogut and Jennings is a pile of ****? I thought towards the end MIL def did overachieve, but in a good way. They deserved to make the playoffs.

no, i don't think they're a pile of ****, just using your colorful reference to state a point... IMO the Bucks were no more talented a roster than the one MDA had to work with last year... KThomas is a super solid off the bench guy but Al Harrington who puts up 19pg is crap? come on dude... David Lee put up better numbers than Bogut last year... then there's Gallo, Wilson & TD, all 3 who showed they could play at a high level last year... is John Salmons that much better than Wilson Chandler?... yes, MIL has a bonafide star PG in Jennings, but Gallo isn't exactly chopped liver either... you just admitted the Bucks overachieved under Scott Skiles... my point was he did a much better job than MDA did in getting his guys to play to their potential & beyond... do you disagree w/that assessment?

i have no idea how you evaluate players and rosters but here is my take.

MIL was much more balanced. They have a true all star 2-way player in Bogut who starts at C, not an undersized non-defensive 6'9" guy. I guess you can say that DLee put up better numbers than Bogut, but that doesn't really paint an accute picture of what is going on on the court. They have 2 PG tandem that is waaayyy better than average, one who is an emerging star. Salmons helped them a ton at the tail end of the year. Their role players IMHO over achieved.

Who was NY's SG? Hughes (who can't shoot a lick), Chandler (who can't spread the floor)?

They had to start Jefferies cause Duhon (who couldn't make a shot) couldn't guard anyone, but that also left a guy on the court who couldn't shoot.

Harrington's 18 points off the bench may seem nice but for me he was a black hole, played zero defense and was pretty much a knucklehead. Free Candy for a good reason.

MIL starts with a better roster and Skiles certainly maximized their talents; MDA had a far worse roster and did not.

it's kinda hard to maximize talent when you're playing scrubs like Jonathan Bender who deserved absolutely no playing time & playing personal favorites while causing rifts to arise in the lockerroom... MDA did a horrible job managing personalities on this team the past 2 years, he couldn't get out of the way of his own arrogance & stubborn nature... now that he's got Amare back & a capable PG, he has no more excuses not to produce a winning season... i don't wanna hear no more apologies for this man if he fails to get us to at least 42+ wins this season.

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
fishmike
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7/13/2010  12:01 PM
LivingLegend wrote:You really do have to throw out the last 2 years.

We had a bunch of guys on the roster that knew they were simply free agent cap space fodder at the end of the day.

Even our most valuable young assets like Lee and even Nate --- had to think their time was limited.

It's very difficult to keep a bunch of guys like that focused and playing hard when they are all playing for themselves. The coach can preach all he wants but the players aren't fools and can read the writing on the wall. Just think about the guys like Marbury, Hughes, Harrington, Thomas, Curry, Nate, Z-Bo, Crawford --- that lined this roster the past 2-years. That is like the gulf oil spill of NBA players.

exactly.. and the guys who stayed got better under MDA. Chandler, Gallo, Douglas are all rotation guys and Lee's #s which everyone complains about being inflated yielded us 2 rotation guys and one prospect who has been coveted around here for 2 years.
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