loweyecue wrote:

Dude, there is nothing incoherent about my thought. You guys keep harping on this trade like it really set our downfall in motion. And based on your own comment here if we HADN"T made this trade we would have this same exact roster Plus Jordan Hill and a worthless lottery pick and minus any cap room. So YEA I am glad we made the trade.

Perhaps you don't understand. The Knicks traded Hill, who is not worth much, swapped a first round pick that has very little protection and traded an additional first round pick to boot. Jefrries contract is also expiring next year if I am not incorrect.

And what is the return. I believe the Knicks would have had the money to sign Stoudemire anyway. And they did not achieve their goal of signing James in addition to a max-contract player. So no I am not happy that the Knicks traded assets for a plan that did not work out. It did not work out. I hope you see that now.

oohah

firefly wrote:And let me guess, you think the Heat have a great team right? Right.

The Heat had a great team, or have a great team now?What is the question?

Well, the Heat made the playoffs this past season so they weren't too bad. Are they great now? Probably. They are definitely pretty damn good. That's reality. Another reality is that Riley, as much as I hate him, will probably add the pieces they need to be a real contender, and considering they have the 1st or 2nd best player, probably the 3rd or 4th best player, and another player in the top 10-15 starting for their team, they don't have many holes to fill.

oohah

Nalod wrote:Our pick is swappable with rockets,

Our 2012 should not be all that high.

And JHill is now Randloph.

Its gonna be ok.

Somtimes you gotta go for it. We did.

Im ok with it.

same here

CrushAlot wrote:Hill's lack of development is on the coach. He was rated as high as 4 on draft boards before the draft and was considered the best big after Blair. There was no excuse for his lack of playing on a 29 win team that needed rebounding and shot blocking. There was no reason he should be playing behind Johnathon Bender and Jared Jeffries on a 29 win team. The devaluing of him to the point that two basically unprotected first round picks were given up in additon to him to clear 7 mil in cap space is on the coach. Once Hill got to Houston and got some playing time he did well. Shane Battier said he had lost a years worth of experience because of the situation he was in in NY. I don't have a problem with the goal that the Knicks had to get more cap space. I don't neccesarily have a problem with Hill being traded. I do have a problem with how much was given up and the fact that Hill should have been played more to increase his value.

zackly.

oohah

sidsanders wrote:

Mray20 wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Mray20 wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Mray20 wrote:Tmac trade = Carmelo Anthony be patient out savior is coming and he wants to play in NY unlike the false messiah

what do you see in anthony so much... im kinda disappointed with what he has been able to do out west and now the road in the east has gotten a bit tougher.

Carmelo can flat out play he's the total package I really believe George Karl getting sick hurt them big time last year.

that and billups got him outta round 1. that is a huge flag to me. he kinda seems to need on court leaders to guide him, and a coach who can needle him. we **may** have the coach, we dont have many leaders yet.

I understand what you're saying but I still feel Melo is what we need and he would be great in NY.

if thats the guy they add to compete in this new arms race, i hope it works. id still rather trade for kd. no idea what if anything could get him outta okc though.

kevin durant is a top 5 player in the league..thats why okc locked him up this week with a 5 year contract

alau53 wrote:guys a bigger problem here is donnie is still trying to get players to fit into mda's system..if the knicks falter mda will be fired or move on..then a new coach will put in another system..we go 2 steps forward 3 steps back

this is a concern... if mike goes are some of the lower bench guys capable of playing in any system or are they tailored to what is being run now? we shall see how it goes. i think most of the guys who will play most of the mins will be able to alter gears though.

firefly wrote:

oohah wrote:

firefly wrote:Love the trade. Would do it agaid in a heartbeat. Gives us great flexibility this year which is already reaping dividends with AR and hopefully will bring in even more. We lost nothing whatsoever in that trade. We would have had to sell our first rounderthis year anyway to have one max cap room and I'm not concerned about Jordan "Kwame" Hill.

Will you still love the trade when the Knicks don't win even 40 games again? And probably again again?

oohah

Hey look, I respect your opinion. The world needs it's pessimists. I however choose not to see it that way. And that's not the same as wear rose-tinted glasses. The deal Walsh has made are diametrically opposite to the type of deals we were making before he showed up. Solid, hardworking players or young explosive talent instead of flashy tweeners and heavy centers. Sure if you want you can weep and moan and convince yourself that it will all go to hell in a handbasket when Amare goes blind, AR breaks his arm, Gallo stiffens up, KA breaks his ankle and Turiaf ends up in the OR again but I choose to see this team as potentially very good.

It's easy to complain about every little thing and it's your right to do so. But I have to say oohah that you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel to complain about the position were in right now. A few years ago our cap was over 100 mill and a good off season for us was Zach Randolph. We just picked up 3 cheap young talented players and a 6 time all-star. Your starting to run out of things to moan about methinks. Bizatching about losing a first rounder and Jordan Hill is just bizatching for bizatchings sake.

+100000000

TMS wrote:this is a day i wish i never would have seen... i really hoped Lebron would sign w/us so i could give Donnie props for making that trade... the risk was huge & now we're stuck scrambling to try & not miss out on the playoffs this year so we don't end up giving away yet another lottery pick to another team... i'm so fuggin' sick of giving away draft picks... this has nothing to do with hoping this would come to pass so we could flash the "I Told You So" card... anyone who thinks that's the case is likely the same kinda fool who would have taken joy in calling out anyone who doubted that trade 10 seconds after Lebron announced that he was coming to NY... this is all about wanting what's best for this franchise... it's up to Donnie Walsh to now enact his contingency plan... trading David Lee for Anthony Randolph & a couple role players doesn't get him off the hook here... he needs to land another impact player this summer... dude was talking all about "options & flexibility" after he made that trade... time to put his money where his mouth is... get er done Donnie! no more excuses!

true. i wonder if maybe danny granger is available? that would be a nice pick up if melo signs an extension.