Solace wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

Solace wrote:

bitty41 wrote:I wonder if anyone has sent Playa an apology for trashing him for creating this thread even though he turned out to be correct.

There is no apology to be granted. Being right is one thing. Nobody is going to apologize to someone who acts like an ass about it and is rooting against his own team, though. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

I'm going to have to defend Playa here for a bit. He posts an off-topic post in the off-topic forum and you complain. He posts here about his reasons why Lebron isn't coming to NY and you complain. It seems to me that this all very easily addressed avoid his threads. It's coming off as though you have some type of agenda here in trying to censor Playa or you want him banished from the board. Is that really the path to go down here? Censoring people whose opinions we differ with? There was nothing about this topic that was offensive or trolling it just so happen that many on this board did not want to contemplate the possibility of Lebron passing on NY. Nor do I think there is any value in trying to play a psychologist through the computer I don't know Playa's mindset or whether he was happy or sad about Lebron going to Miami I just took the topic for what it was.

Hi, bitty. With all due respect, it appears to me that you are actually the one with the agenda. If you notice, I am not the only one that called him out for being obnoxious. Nobody has a problem with people voicing their opinion. Playa continues to do so in a rude and obnoxious manner. This is pretty consistent on every thread. Just because you and one or two other people choose to ignore this aspect, does not make it not exist. All I've asked for is for him to be a bit more respectful in his posting style, instead of being a dick about it. When anyone else makes a thread, they put reasons to back up their opinion. When playa does, he posts baseless theories and there's nothing else to back up his opinion. There's no possibility to relate to where playa is coming from, due to this arrogance and the lack of points that support his (radical) opinions.

The conspiracy theory aspect (his conference is here, so therefore he's going somewhere else, just to throw us off) is a waste of everyone's time and utter garbage posting. The reaction he garnered was in combination from harassing us with similar attempts in a bunch of threads. Meanwhile, playa freely throws out racist insults like "community pick" and you have no problem with this. He has become the laughing stock of ultimateknicks. I would like playa to contribute, instead of being a troll.

It's not possible for you to ignore the threads? I ask because if no one responds to the thread than it ends up in oblivion on page 8 no one really contributes, no issue. Also you seem to be taking the stance that you are an authority on what is or isn't offensive. I personally didn't find this thread remotely offensive but that's my opinion. I thought it was totally fair game to discuss the probability of Lebron not coming to NY.

To be honest I rarely give most of Playa's threads a second glance but I still think he has right to create them just like you have the right to not participate in the threads. I'm not trying to be moderator here because ultimately it's up to Martin and Andrew whether Playa's threads are appropriate but I think as a poster we all can choose to ignore threads that we do not agree with. I just felt that you are in the wrong on how you approach Playa's threads and going on attack mode in his threads.

I'm not saying this to chastise but I'm saying all this because I think it's at the point to turn the page. IMO it's time to just ignore him and leave it up to the Mods if you feel like he's genuinely posting offensive material.

BasketballJones wrote:I say we ban all the obnoxious posters.

Please bring in your obnoxiometer..

Marv wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:I say we ban all the obnoxious posters.

i say we all sign up with the golden state board and harrass king1 every time he posts about david.

ultimatewarriors.com? Seems like it might have something to do with this guy:

playa2 wrote:I'm probabaly one of the older posters on the board, but I see where some of you are coming from and it's accepted for you to respond that way. Then to say I'm not a fan and I been here since 2003 and been a fan since the early 80's. Wow talking about obnoxious ASSUMPTIONS. If I were you who are offended I would just ignore my post and let them die if they aren't what people want to talk about just like everyone else. Just because I knew in my heart James wasn't coming to NY and explained why, aome got all tight in the brain.

Man - you really build some reputation.
Now it will perceive you.

loweyecue wrote:Now I have been on the receiving end of a couple of Playa posts also but let me play devil's advocate for a second. An opinion is expressed here often that a post should be backed up by facts etc. Now I am all in favor of backing up your claims with data, but I question whether this should be necessary? I mean why can't someone have an opinion and not have facts to supplement it? I mean opinions are formed over time and I can read different articles presenting data about a given topic over two or three years and slowly form an opinion about it. Then to express that opinion is it fair that I should be called on to provide the data from those articles? I don't know about others but when I read something I only retain the gist of it and that goes towards the opinion I form about it. I would never remember the supporting data nor be able to find it again to substantiate my claims.

This is forum for basketball fans and we come from all walks of life. We are just bound by our love for this team and we have all kinds of disagreements about everything. But this this should not be limited to empirical discussions only if someone "feels" a certain way about something they should have the right to post it, regardless of whether it is substantiated or not.

As for posts being provocative, is that not the whole point of forums? To provoke thought through discussion on various topics. Some of us may have writing styles that annoy others or may not have the ability to frame their posts in more acceptable language but if such is offensive then the easiest option is to ignore it. I can't make the call about what is or is not appropriate behavior in a forum, just wanted to throw this out as food for thought.

If you are still reading this, you probably need to go get a beer and find something useful to do.

This was nice language. I feel down now because of my writings are so bad.
But you advice is golden - I am going for a beer and something else to go with it!

TMS wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Now I have been on the receiving end of a couple of Playa posts also but let me play devil's advocate for a second. An opinion is expressed here often that a post should be backed up by facts etc. Now I am all in favor of backing up your claims with data, but I question whether this should be necessary? I mean why can't someone have an opinion and not have facts to supplement it? I mean opinions are formed over time and I can read different articles presenting data about a given topic over two or three years and slowly form an opinion about it. Then to express that opinion is it fair that I should be called on to provide the data from those articles? I don't know about others but when I read something I only retain the gist of it and that goes towards the opinion I form about it. I would never remember the supporting data nor be able to find it again to substantiate my claims.

This is forum for basketball fans and we come from all walks of life. We are just bound by our love for this team and we have all kinds of disagreements about everything. But this this should not be limited to empirical discussions only if someone "feels" a certain way about something they should have the right to post it, regardless of whether it is substantiated or not.

As for posts being provocative, is that not the whole point of forums? To provoke thought through discussion on various topics. Some of us may have writing styles that annoy others or may not have the ability to frame their posts in more acceptable language but if such is offensive then the easiest option is to ignore it. I can't make the call about what is or is not appropriate behavior in a forum, just wanted to throw this out as food for thought.

If you are still reading this, you probably need to go get a beer and find something useful to do.

a reasonable post... the fact is there are plenty of posters who post obnoxious comments on this forum without any data to backup their points, but guys like playa & oohah are consistently the ones who get lambasted for posting anything that goes against the norm... & i'm not saying this because i agree w/those guys on every topic, i've had my share of arguments w/both those guys on these forums, but everyone's got a right to be heard IMHO... speaking for myself i don't like when someone tells someone else to shut their mouths & not voice an opinion playing Internet cop when an opinion is presented as a legitimate point of discussion & not aimed at degrading any particular individual... i agree w/bitty, i don't think this thread or the thread on the Off Topic Forum that gained recent notoriety was posted in an obnoxious or trolling manner... i think a lot of the negative reaction comes from reputation more than actual content sometimes... & when it turns out that a particular poster was right in doubting Lebron's intentions, i don't think it's cool to put him on blast over it after the fact... rather it would be cool to simply say, "You were right & I was wrong".

Well, to be fair, he wasn't actually right, which is what I don't get. The reasoning was that LeBron chose Connecticut to "throw everyone off". Based on every report we've heard, there's no evidence to back up this reasoning. It was done because of ESPN. It's not like the point was that he predicted LeBron was going to Miami; those reports were already coming out before his post.

As for the off topic thread, we've debated it to death. In the end, you weren't offended; noted. Plenty of people were, because of the way it was presented. That had nothing to do with reputation, let's be fair for a moment.

Is NY NY the melting pot of people and their differing of opinions Or do we have internet forum police who aren't the mods. You know who you are and by your responses everybody else does too.

TMS wrote:come on dude, that had nothing to do with reputation? if a poster like VDesai or newyorknewyork had posted that exact same list, would you have been as offended? i can't speak for how you took the thread, if you were offended, then you were offended, but i personally think playa's rep has alot to do with alot of the negative reaction he gets on threads, a certain extent of which is possibly earned... you look at the constant references to his "community pick" stuff & conspiracy theories he's built a reputation for in the minds of a lot of posters & you have to recognize he doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt from people that other people would for posting certain topics.

is telling people to shut up & stop posting their opinions on these forums any different than the trolling that people accuse others of doing if they have anything negative to say about the Knicks' franchise? islesfan was blasted for the longest on the MSG forums & here, but looking back alot of what he had to say about Isiah was right & the rest of us were wrong.

i'm not trying to side with the "haters" here, just saying they got a right to post their opinions & others have a right to disagree w/them... but to deny them the right to express their views, as long as they're presented with some form of backup reasoning, at least in my opinion, is wrong... there seems to be a gang mentality that exists on forums & people that post controversial opinions that might not necessarily agree with the popular norm tend to become outcasts... it's easy to always tow the company line & agree with everything the franchise ever does, & then try & sound "reasonable & intelligent" by mocking anyone who goes against it... then when things don't turn out well for the franchise, to turn around & put those who presented their doubts on blast by saying they're just a buncha non-fans who only wish harm on the franchise... is a poster like misterearl any less of a troll than someone like playa is accused of being just because he chooses to disguise his venom & inflammatory comments in flowery language reeking with condescending self importance?

Sorry, no offense, but I can't see where you're coming from on this one. Of course, playa doesn't get the benefit of the doubt and there are absolutely instances where his reputation proceeds him. In that particular thread, however, any of the other posters would've had the common sense to not post like that, so there's no comparison. If most of the people here had posted that, I would've assumed their account got hacked. From playa it was plausible (and, sadly, almost expected) and in extremely poor taste.

As for telling people to shut up and stop posting their opinions, nobody has ever truly meant that, as far as I can tell. If that's what you and bitty want to perceive is happening, I can't stop you from thinking that, but that is not what anyone here actually wants. I don't think anyone has problems here with people disagreeing. Actually, people here seem to love to argue (their poor girlfriends/wives). But, it should be noted that if you have an uncommon opinion, you're going to have to do more work to defend it and, at least, give a reasonable explanation why you feel that way. That is NOT an unreasonable expectation. If you can't defend your position, how can anyone else be expected to relate? When people try to go back and forth with playa, he simply ignores any point/question and continues ranting. That's not a discussion. That's the main reason playa has been blasted before, IMHO.

Now, I know you feel differently and that something else more sinister and gang-style is going on or whatever. I don't agree. If you still feel that way, can we just agree to disagree? I already put playa on ignore, at bitty's request. I also don't see what misterearl has to do with this and that seemed like a cheap shot towards him, when he wasn't involved in this thread.