rvwink wrote:It seems clear to me that having Amare signed up will improve the Knick's chances of acquiring a second super star. Getting a second player of the quality of Le Bron, Bosh, or Wade creates a huge amount of additional value for the Knicks. Yes there remains some risk of failure, but by signing Amare, that risk got significantly smaller for the Knicks. I don't think the Knick's should second guess themselves if they fail to get that high quality second player. Improving their percentages of succeeding, makes it the right move regardless of the final outcome imo.

BRIGGS wrote:

rvwink wrote:It seems clear to me that having Amare signed up will improve the Knick's chances of acquiring a second super star. Getting a second player of the quality of Le Bron, Bosh, or Wade creates a huge amount of additional value for the Knicks. Yes there remains some risk of failure, but by signing Amare, that risk got significantly smaller for the Knicks. I don't think the Knick's should second guess themselves if they fail to get that high quality second player. Improving their percentages of succeeding, makes it the right move regardless of the final outcome imo.

What you said makes no sense--you are saying we spent 100mm just to *possibly*(and we have no clue)increase our chances of acquiring a certain player and if we fail it's OK. This isn't a biotechnology company.

dude, you know that's not what's being said and makes no sense whatsoever. (The player also PLAYS.) ...And in the context of signing Amare over Lee, there is also the added advantage of increasing the signing of other players.

BRIGGS wrote:I do give them credit for trying but that is 1 part of the equation! Executing the plan to get the big fish was the number 1 point of the signing--if that fails--well--this team is up shts creek

Nobody can deny our chance here at championship caliber talent. I said all along the Hill + pick + swap trade was worth that CHANCE.

There is always a plan B. Surely its not as good as Lebron+Amare+role players but we wont be up shts creek either.

Briggs you have gone from LBJ will be here to we are swinging and missing and doomed to get nobody and Lee walks for nothing bla bla bla

Walsh may not have rings but he has built some pretty good teams and stuck to a plan for 2 years.

He's halfway there... one star is here. Two more are waxing and waning.

Let the guy work. I'm happy with everything he's done.

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

rvwink wrote:It seems clear to me that having Amare signed up will improve the Knick's chances of acquiring a second super star. Getting a second player of the quality of Le Bron, Bosh, or Wade creates a huge amount of additional value for the Knicks. Yes there remains some risk of failure, but by signing Amare, that risk got significantly smaller for the Knicks. I don't think the Knick's should second guess themselves if they fail to get that high quality second player. Improving their percentages of succeeding, makes it the right move regardless of the final outcome imo.

What you said makes no sense--you are saying we spent 100mm just to *possibly*(and we have no clue)increase our chances of acquiring a certain player and if we fail it's OK. This isn't a biotechnology company.

dude, you know that's not what's being said and makes no sense whatsoever. (The player also PLAYS.) ...And in the context of signing Amare over Lee, there is also the added advantage of increasing the signing of other players.

Why didn't any other team want to pay Amare Stoudemire what the Knicks were willing to? And lets also add into the equation the Knicks have spent their money very poorly over the last 10 years. I think the Knicks just bid against themselves because they felt it would give them a competitive advantage without having any idea if it really was true.

I think I know Amare just about as good as anyone here--this is not the Amare Stoudemire of 4 years ago--he would still be in Pheonix if that was the case--this is a very good secondary player--not franchise level anymore and he comes at absolute top dollar and at highest risk of all FA's. He's a really good player now--20mm? no.

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I do give them credit for trying but that is 1 part of the equation! Executing the plan to get the big fish was the number 1 point of the signing--if that fails--well--this team is up shts creek

dude... I get the feeling that if we have Wade and Amare here and have to start Earl Barron at center your going to be telling us we are up shts creek.

Nobody can deny our chance here at championship caliber talent. I said all along the Hill + pick + swap trade was worth that CHANCE.

There is always a plan B. Surely its not as good as Lebron+Amare+role players but we wont be up shts creek either.

Briggs you have gone from LBJ will be here to we are swinging and missing and doomed to get nobody and Lee walks for nothing bla bla bla

Walsh may not have rings but he has built some pretty good teams and stuck to a plan for 2 years.

He's halfway there... one star is here. Two more are waxing and waning.

Let the guy work. I'm happy with everything he's done.

Calm down fishmike--relax. Amare Stoudemire will average 35 points 22 rebounds and 5 blocks and take the Knicks to the championship himself--we dont even need LBJ.

you like amare more than bosh or lee - that's fine.

i'm just trying to see how much of an upgrade do y'all think amare is over lee with all things being equal (regardless of who may or may not sign with ny in the future).

imho, a contract to lee will probably get you more bang for the buck now and long term but time will tell.

djsunyc wrote:fish - bosh won 47 games in a season being the best player on his team. and he carried the team to a 22-10 record before he got hurt with victories over lakers + dallas + spurs. so let's not talk about "carrying" a team for 2-3 months during a season. that's silly. he's never played with another all star, let alone 2 like amare has...there's a reason amare was #4 in the FA pool and not #3.

you like amare more than bosh or lee - that's fine.

i'm just trying to see how much of an upgrade do y'all think amare is over lee with all things being equal (regardless of who may or may not sign with ny in the future).

imho, a contract to lee will probably get you more bang for the buck now and long term but time will tell.

Am I right or wrong?

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:A person with knowledge of the negotiations told Ken Berger of CBS Sports that Chris Bosh is interested in teaming up with LeBron James, but he is more likely to seek a sign-and-trade that sends him to the Nets, Bulls or Heat.

Bosh "remains decidedly unenthusiastic about joining James in Cleveland," writes Berger.

"If LeBron went to New Jersey, he'd consider that," the source said. "It's too late for New York. He wants to play with LeBron if LeBron leaves, but not necessarily in Cleveland."

A source says that the Bulls have not spoken to the Raptors about a sign-and-trade for Bosh.

The Heat is continuing to try to deal Michael Beasley in order to maximize their salary-cap room. Dwyane Wade canceled a public appearance he was scheduled to make Tuesday morning in South Florida.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67886/20100706/source_bosh_unenthusiastic_about_cleveland/#ixzz0svbwclyM

Kind of shoots down the Amare will give us an edge gig

Dude, that article says its too late for Bosh to play with Lebron in NY. It is too late. It makes no reference to whether Lebron is coming to NY or not, just that Bosh cannot play with Lebron in NY.

Jul 06, 2010 1:41 PM EST

Chris Bosh has not spoken with the Raptors since meeting with him on Thursday, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Toronto is focusing on potential sign-and-trade deal with Cleveland, Miami, New Jersey and Chicago.

The Raptors are expected to want J.J. Hickson and Anderson Vaerjao in return for Bosh from Cleveland, but talks have not advanced.

The Raptors expect LeBron James and Dwyane Wade to remain in Cleveland and Miami, respectively, with both players attempting to recruit Bosh.

Via Marc J. Spears/Yahoo!

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67887/20100706/raptors_expect_lebron_wade_to_fight_over_bosh/#ixzz0sveyzjgA

Im not seeing the Knicks name in there?

oh, so the Raptors front office knows how this is going to play out? we'll see.

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

rvwink wrote:It seems clear to me that having Amare signed up will improve the Knick's chances of acquiring a second super star. Getting a second player of the quality of Le Bron, Bosh, or Wade creates a huge amount of additional value for the Knicks. Yes there remains some risk of failure, but by signing Amare, that risk got significantly smaller for the Knicks. I don't think the Knick's should second guess themselves if they fail to get that high quality second player. Improving their percentages of succeeding, makes it the right move regardless of the final outcome imo.

What you said makes no sense--you are saying we spent 100mm just to *possibly*(and we have no clue)increase our chances of acquiring a certain player and if we fail it's OK. This isn't a biotechnology company.

dude, you know that's not what's being said and makes no sense whatsoever. (The player also PLAYS.) ...And in the context of signing Amare over Lee, there is also the added advantage of increasing the signing of other players.

Why didn't any other team want to pay Amare Stoudemire what the Knicks were willing to? And lets also add into the equation the Knicks have spent their money very poorly over the last 10 years. I think the Knicks just bid against themselves because they felt it would give them a competitive advantage without having any idea if it really was true.

I think I know Amare just about as good as anyone here--this is not the Amare Stoudemire of 4 years ago--he would still be in Pheonix if that was the case--this is a very good secondary player--not franchise level anymore and he comes at absolute top dollar and at highest risk of all FA's. He's a really good player now--20mm? no.

Who cares?! So if another team did offer it, and Amare went to play for that other team, would they be stupid or smart?
Would we have been stupid or smart to wait for the other team to make the offer?
You say all the time that you need good bigs to win. We just got one. Chill.

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I do give them credit for trying but that is 1 part of the equation! Executing the plan to get the big fish was the number 1 point of the signing--if that fails--well--this team is up shts creek

dude... I get the feeling that if we have Wade and Amare here and have to start Earl Barron at center your going to be telling us we are up shts creek.

Nobody can deny our chance here at championship caliber talent. I said all along the Hill + pick + swap trade was worth that CHANCE.

There is always a plan B. Surely its not as good as Lebron+Amare+role players but we wont be up shts creek either.

Briggs you have gone from LBJ will be here to we are swinging and missing and doomed to get nobody and Lee walks for nothing bla bla bla

Walsh may not have rings but he has built some pretty good teams and stuck to a plan for 2 years.

He's halfway there... one star is here. Two more are waxing and waning.

Let the guy work. I'm happy with everything he's done.

Calm down fishmike--relax. Amare Stoudemire will average 35 points 22 rebounds and 5 blocks and take the Knicks to the championship himself--we dont even need LBJ.

I'm calm briggy... as opposed to starting a new thread everytime some schmuck twatters which gets regurgitated in internet message forums.

So because Amare plays for one of the cheapest owners in sports he's no good? How do you know what he did or didnt have on the table?

Are we using other teams to measure our off season success? If we only gave Joe Johnson $5/$100mm is that a good deal because we are getting him for less than the Hawks offered?

We need everything Amare brings to the table, including being a legit star player to open the door for another player.

Is resigning David Lee going to make Lebron and Wade hold off on their decisions? Is Lee going to draw talent here? Is Amare?

djsunyc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

djsunyc wrote:fish - bosh won 47 games in a season being the best player on his team. and he carried the team to a 22-10 record before he got hurt with victories over lakers + dallas + spurs. so let's not talk about "carrying" a team for 2-3 months during a season. that's silly. he's never played with another all star, let alone 2 like amare has...there's a reason amare was #4 in the FA pool and not #3.

you like amare more than bosh or lee - that's fine.

i'm just trying to see how much of an upgrade do y'all think amare is over lee with all things being equal (regardless of who may or may not sign with ny in the future).

imho, a contract to lee will probably get you more bang for the buck now and long term but time will tell.

that was one season... and didnt they get swept in the playoffs? I just think its funny that Amare has injury concerns but hasnt missed games in 4 years minus the eye thing which isnt wear and tear. Meanwhile Bosh always starts out great, and yes he does carry the Raps to good records, then he gets banged up and isnt effective and Raps tank.

Am I right or wrong?

they lost in 6 games to the nets.

again, amare signs for 5...his own team offered him 4 guaranteed. there's a reason he ain't getting 6 years $120.

Thats the #1 reason according to Suns fans cause they all want to puke over this.

Briggs why didnt Pho resign Joe Johnson? Why didnt Mavs sign Nash? teams dont make mistakes?

So when the Nets sign Lee for $14mm a year is it a bad signing because there is a REASON the KNicks didnt sign him first?