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fishmike
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7/1/2010  9:18 AM
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fishmike wrote:Amare was a total stud last year. He carried the Suns 2nd half of the year when everyone thought they were old and done and too small.

I would take him over Bosh Mon-Sun and twice on Friday. No brainer. Bosh has more finess but Amare asserts his will on the game. Anyone that says he's not a max player didnt watch him last year, plain and simple


26.6 ppg on 56% shooting, 9.6 rpg, 1.1 bpg

Amare Stoudemire is a beast and would be the 2nd or 3rd best big in the entire East.


it goes beyond the numbers. He put his will on games and the Suns had the best record in the NBA posts all star break. Everyone knocks Amare's defense. Go look at his opposition's FG%s on 82games and find me better numbers. He's not a good help defender but he not easy to score on.
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7/1/2010  9:20 AM
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iSergio wrote:
fishmike wrote:Amare was a total stud last year. He carried the Suns 2nd half of the year when everyone thought they were old and done and too small.

I would take him over Bosh Mon-Sun and twice on Friday. No brainer. Bosh has more finess but Amare asserts his will on the game. Anyone that says he's not a max player didnt watch him last year, plain and simple


26.6 ppg on 56% shooting, 9.6 rpg, 1.1 bpg

Amare Stoudemire is a beast and would be the 2nd or 3rd best big in the entire East.


it goes beyond the numbers. He put his will on games and the Suns had the best record in the NBA posts all star break. Everyone knocks Amare's defense. Go look at his opposition's FG%s on 82games and find me better numbers. He's not a good help defender but he not easy to score on.

That's why I don't get why some say Amare Stoudemire is David Lee on defense. I don't know if Amare is worth $18M but he'll be by far our best player since Patrick Ewing. And he's only 27 years old.

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7/1/2010  9:37 AM
joec32033 wrote:I'll probably get nailed but whatever. The more I think of this the more I get swayed that it might be a better idea to go a different route than Lebron. To me he doesn't have that killer instinct and his complimentary pieces we are talking about don't either.

This is probably what I would do.

Trade Curry and Gallo for Carmelo (16 mil)
Sign Joe Johnson (Aim for 14 mil)
Sign Lee (Aim for 12 mil)
Trade Wilson in a deal for OK4(not sure if we can just absorb that contract)

Emeka
Lee
Anthony
Johnson
Douglas

Walker and a couple smart Vet min. Signings.

To tell you the truth, I 100% agree with you and would rather build a team to beat LeBron than have him on it.

Problem is, building a team to beat him would be very difficult if he teams up with another big-time star. That's why I think a lot of fans are thinking "LeBron or bust."

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7/1/2010  10:06 AM
joec32033 wrote:I'll probably get nailed but whatever. The more I think of this the more I get swayed that it might be a better idea to go a different route than Lebron. To me he doesn't have that killer instinct and his complimentary pieces we are talking about don't either.

This is probably what I would do.

Trade Curry and Gallo for Carmelo (16 mil)
Sign Joe Johnson (Aim for 14 mil)
Sign Lee (Aim for 12 mil)
Trade Wilson in a deal for OK4(not sure if we can just absorb that contract)

Emeka
Lee
Anthony
Johnson
Douglas

Walker and a couple smart Vet min. Signings.


The problem is this can't happen. Why exactly does Denver trade you Melo for that package. Ain't happening. Melo is a top 10 talent.

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7/1/2010  10:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2010  10:53 AM
I tell ya, this obviously won't be the most popular plan but if I were at the controls and the plan A proved to be fruitless and was in the toilet, the plan B I would go hard after would involve Rudy Gay/David Lee. Gay's only 23 years old, the youngest out of any of these bigger FAs. Plus the man's talent & athleticism speaks for itself. The Knicks can't possibly consider Joe Johnson over Rudy Gay -- come on man, Gay's by far the better guy to lock up long-term. Infinitely better option. Not even close...And David Lee's been here and succeeded in NY which is a huge plus (who even knows if any of these other guys like Bosh, JJ or Amar'e can come here and handle NY but we know DAVID LEE CAN, and he excelled at a very high level--2 yrs. in a row now. Lee has an incredible work ethic -- coming into the league as a marginal prospect with nothing more than some nice hops to hang his hat on, this guy has improved leaps & bounds in so many key areas it's scary: rebounding, passing, ball-handling, FT shooting, mid range jump-shooting...and he's probably not even finished improving (reports are that he's worked extremely hard on expanding his range out to the 3 pt. line). That last bit doesn't really do it for me (don't know if I really want Lee out on the perimeter jacking up 25 footers) but what it does show is the man's unbelieveable committment to improving and making himself the best NBA player he can possibly be...By the time David Lee looks back on his NBA career, he'll do it with no regrets whatsoever..I really can't recall a player exactly like him -- a guy that came into the league with fringe ability that went ahead an expanded his game to where it is now...Never a great defender and probably never will be but I'd be willing to bet that he improves some if we return him to his natural position at the 4..I think he has a chance to be an adequate defender at the 4 spot, whereas he was admittedly a step or two below that masquerading as a 5 the past few years..I like Lee better than any FA PF other than Chris Bosh...To me, Lee and Amar'e are a little redundant together. Could it work? Sure, but I wouldn't spend big on both of them. You give me JJ or Amar'e if it help lure LeBron---otherwise, I'm not really interested in either guy...I'd rather move forward with Gay/Lee over JJ/Amar'e if it came down to it...Younger, healthier combo package that probably won't cost as much..

Step 1 for my plan B if no LeBron: lock up Gay & Lee. It's not championship caliber off the bat obviously, but it's a nice start and as good a foundation as we can lay right now for the money. No guarantees Melo ever leaves Denver...

Step 2: Hang onto Eddy Curry for the time being. W/O LeBron no real need to do anything rash with Curry right now. They might want to think about keeping him, even letting his expiring contract carry over into the following season..Point being, no real need to do something until it makes perfect sense...With Gay/Lee, suddenly I don't see the need to go after a Tony Parker anymore or make that crazy move for Okafor/Darren Collison. I was only really prepared to do either move to lure LeBron or LeBron/Bosh here..Doesn't make as much sense to me if those guys aren't part of the equation...Instead, I might switch gears & decide to be patient with Toney Douglas and watch the summer league talent VERY VERY carefully..Guys like Sherron Collins, Mikhail Torrence, Ben Uzoh...maybe even Vandy's Jermaine Beal who I think could be a real sleeper here--these are some of the undrafted PGs I'd focus on -- if any of these guys start to show something and show they belong, I come hard with a contract offer (I'd rather have anyone of these PGs over Luke Ridnour to be honest)..This goes for all the top undrafted talent out there in summer ball, not just the top undrafted PGs -- Briggs' guy Marqus Blakely went undrafted--I think he's playing for the Clippers SL team in Vegas (very intriguing athletic wing defender we could add here on the cheap). There's actually a ton of undrafted talent out there: guys like AJ Ogilvy, Brian Zoubek, Wayne Chism (this guy plans on playing in both the Vegas & Orlando leagues---if he plays well in Vegas, I'd immediately throw him a contract offer before he even got a chance to play with the Nets in Orlando--dude can play, if they liked Craig Brackins they should know about this kid too--they're similar players), Art Parakouski, Paul Harris, Deon Thompson, Aubrey Coleman (I don't love this guy but he can sure score the ball -- not the greatest outside shooter but he knows how to get to the line--if we ever added this guy and Charles Garcia, that's two guys that got to the FT line over 300 times last year in college something to think about--2 aggressive young scorers we could add on the cheap), d-league shot-blocker Greg Stiemsma, Slyven Landesberg, Tyrese Rice, Joey Dorsey, Ryan Wittman, Gavin Edwards, etc.. Glad to see they're looking at some of the European league FAs as well -- Jaycee Carroll's on the Knicks SL roster and he can definitely shoot the ball. He doesn't appear on the list, but Virg. Tech's AD Vassallo is another guy I'd like to see us add -- I believe he only signed a one year deal to play in France last season where he played very well)...Point is there's a ton of solid undrafted talent out there -- the Knicks really need to keep their eyes peeled and grab a few of these guys and then see who can play in the NBA and who can't..Luke Ridnour and Mike Miller are decent players (Miller moreso than Ridnour) but why commit anything substantial to these guys before we take a look at some of the cheaper alternatives? To me, a guy like AD Vassallo has very similar ability to Mike Miller for example. So does Ryan Wittman. And as far as adding another PG goes, you give me Sherron Collins over Luke Ridnour any day of the week..

For reference here's a link to the updated Vegas & Orlando SL rosters: http://www.nbadraft.net/2010-nba-las-vegas-summer-league-game-schedule-rosters
And the overseas FAs: http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Overseas-Free-Agents/

Step 3: I look into the availability of Hassan Whiteside...We didn't show any interest on draft night, but it's not too late to call and inquire right now. Sac. got extremely lucky when this kid slipped to them at 33 and they probably felt compelled to take him but with the Sammy Dalembert trade, the Cousins pick in the lottery, and 6'10" Jason Thompson already on the roster, I don't see him as the best fit there to be honest...I'd be on the phone with Sac. right now trying to pry this guy loose..I'd also call Milwaukee and see if they'd be willing to part with Darington Hobson. We're already on the verge of getting Jerome Jordan from them in a trade -- I'd see if I could expand the deal to get Hobson as well (I'd agree to give them even more cash, Landy Fields, possibly Rautins, a future 2, etc., to try and get that done). Never too late to be aggressive...Just seeing now that the Bucks added Drew Gooden at 5 yrs, $32M. Wow. Is this guy worth that type of committent, esp. to a team like the Bucks?? Maybe they could use some extra money to help pay Gooden now, at least for the first year --- I'd be willing to overpay to get Hobson along with Jerome Jordan whenever that trade is allowed to be consummated.

Again, not the sexiest plan B, but I'd start there.

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7/1/2010  10:48 AM
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Amar'e Stoudemire will visit the Knicks in NYC Monday. Spoke with Mike D'Antoni over phone last night after meeting with Heat.
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7/1/2010  11:02 AM
crzymdups wrote:
alanhahn
Amar'e Stoudemire will visit the Knicks in NYC Monday. Spoke with Mike D'Antoni over phone last night after meeting with Heat.
1 minute ago via UberTwitter

Alot can happen between now and Monday which is 3 days away.

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7/1/2010  11:03 AM
if u sign Amare you don't also sign David Lee... that's stupid... u need someone to defend the paint... you go after Amare to attract Lebron to NY... u need a piece to show him we're serious about rebuilding this team to be a contender again... u don't go back to Lebron & say "Look, we just re-signed David Lee, the guy who helped us win all those games the past several years! we just need you now to finish the championship puzzle"... that ain't gonna work people.
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7/1/2010  12:25 PM
It would be interesting to actually know how Lebron feels about playing with Lee vs playing with Amare. Amare can take over games like Lee can't and that has to stand out to him. The whole thing about a second max is because he needs someone to carry the team when he is having a bad day or is being shut down. As much as I dislike JJ he could have played that role, so can Bosh/Amare. We should not sleep on Wade either, he hasn't accepted anything, no need to believe the hype.
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7/1/2010  3:56 PM
loweyecue wrote:It would be interesting to actually know how Lebron feels about playing with Lee vs playing with Amare. Amare can take over games like Lee can't and that has to stand out to him. The whole thing about a second max is because he needs someone to carry the team when he is having a bad day or is being shut down. As much as I dislike JJ he could have played that role, so can Bosh/Amare. We should not sleep on Wade either, he hasn't accepted anything, no need to believe the hype.

I guess now the Knicks know exactly who Lebron would be open to playing with, now that the meeting is over. The early comments sound as if things went well. I can't wait to find out what Lebron's answer is gonna be.

The Knicks held a meeting with LeBron James that was over three hours in length.

Afterward, Walsh told the media that he is "cautiously optimistic" but said the meeting was "non-committal." The Knicks' president said he expects another meeting with James.

Mike D'Antoni was in a joking mood after the meeting let out.

"I can say it, finally: 'LeBron James' and no one can fine me," D'Antoni said.

"We hoped we got him in a New York state of mind," D'Antoni said.

Read more: http://www2.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67695/20100701/walsh_cautiously_optimistic_after_lebron_meeting_expects_another/#ixzz0sSjMbglC

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7/1/2010  3:58 PM
loweyecue wrote:It would be interesting to actually know how Lebron feels about playing with Lee vs playing with Amare. Amare can take over games like Lee can't and that has to stand out to him. The whole thing about a second max is because he needs someone to carry the team when he is having a bad day or is being shut down. As much as I dislike JJ he could have played that role, so can Bosh/Amare. We should not sleep on Wade either, he hasn't accepted anything, no need to believe the hype.

to be fair, the knicks are meeting with bosh and wade tomorrow.

i'm still somewhat hopeful the knicks can get bron and bosh.

the fact that the knicks meeting went longer than the nets MIGHT be a good sign.

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7/1/2010  4:24 PM
crzymdups wrote:
loweyecue wrote:It would be interesting to actually know how Lebron feels about playing with Lee vs playing with Amare. Amare can take over games like Lee can't and that has to stand out to him. The whole thing about a second max is because he needs someone to carry the team when he is having a bad day or is being shut down. As much as I dislike JJ he could have played that role, so can Bosh/Amare. We should not sleep on Wade either, he hasn't accepted anything, no need to believe the hype.

to be fair, the knicks are meeting with bosh and wade tomorrow.

i'm still somewhat hopeful the knicks can get bron and bosh.

the fact that the knicks meeting went longer than the nets MIGHT be a good sign.


god... please Lebron and Amare. That would be lights out man... I would be happy w/ Lee and Amare but Lebron and Amare = TMS style bukkake fest
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7/1/2010  4:28 PM
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
loweyecue wrote:It would be interesting to actually know how Lebron feels about playing with Lee vs playing with Amare. Amare can take over games like Lee can't and that has to stand out to him. The whole thing about a second max is because he needs someone to carry the team when he is having a bad day or is being shut down. As much as I dislike JJ he could have played that role, so can Bosh/Amare. We should not sleep on Wade either, he hasn't accepted anything, no need to believe the hype.

to be fair, the knicks are meeting with bosh and wade tomorrow.

i'm still somewhat hopeful the knicks can get bron and bosh.

the fact that the knicks meeting went longer than the nets MIGHT be a good sign.


god... please Lebron and Amare. That would be lights out man... I would be happy w/ Lee and Amare but Lebron and Amare = TMS style bukkake fest

i think Bosh is a better bet for the long haul. that dude has ten good years left in him.

amar'e is one hit to his eyes or one knee injury away from being either retired or dyess 2.

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7/1/2010  4:30 PM
one word of caution with bosh - he does wear the bionic knee brace so who knows how long he will actually hold up...
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7/1/2010  4:39 PM
crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
loweyecue wrote:It would be interesting to actually know how Lebron feels about playing with Lee vs playing with Amare. Amare can take over games like Lee can't and that has to stand out to him. The whole thing about a second max is because he needs someone to carry the team when he is having a bad day or is being shut down. As much as I dislike JJ he could have played that role, so can Bosh/Amare. We should not sleep on Wade either, he hasn't accepted anything, no need to believe the hype.

to be fair, the knicks are meeting with bosh and wade tomorrow.

i'm still somewhat hopeful the knicks can get bron and bosh.

the fact that the knicks meeting went longer than the nets MIGHT be a good sign.


god... please Lebron and Amare. That would be lights out man... I would be happy w/ Lee and Amare but Lebron and Amare = TMS style bukkake fest

i think Bosh is a better bet for the long haul. that dude has ten good years left in him.

amar'e is one hit to his eyes or one knee injury away from being either retired or dyess 2.

I dont know man... Bosh gets gimpy quite easily. Amare has been hurt (the eye thing is just weird) but his body looks more capable of punishment than Bosh. I guess if your pairing w/ Lebron you cant really mess that up
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7/1/2010  4:40 PM
crzymdups wrote:the fact that the knicks meeting went longer than the nets MIGHT be a good sign.

probably just means we were doing more grovelling.

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7/1/2010  4:41 PM
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crzymdups wrote:the fact that the knicks meeting went longer than the nets MIGHT be a good sign.

probably just means we were doing more grovelling.

Maybe they offered him Marbury's favorite intern?

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7/1/2010  4:41 PM
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crzymdups wrote:the fact that the knicks meeting went longer than the nets MIGHT be a good sign.

probably just means we were doing more grovelling.

alot of begging huh?

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7/1/2010  4:43 PM
My preferred order of free agent big men is

1) Dirk (the perfect PF or Center for Mike D)
2) Amare (I find the second half of the last season compelling).
3) Bosh (might have been number one if Toronto was better, but I don't blame him)
4) Lee (still think his stats are inflated by the system and the 'good player on bad team' concept). That said, he continues to grow.
5) Boozer (I don't like him as a person. He F---ed Cleveland.)

You know I gonna spin wit it
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7/1/2010  4:45 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:My preferred order of free agent big men is

1) Dirk (the perfect PF or Center for Mike D)
2) Amare (I find the second half of the last season compelling).
3) Bosh (might have been number one if Toronto was better, but I don't blame him)
4) Lee (still think his stats are inflated by the system and the 'good player on bad team' concept). That said, he continues to grow.
250) Boozer (I don't like him as a person. He F---ed Cleveland.)

Correction on the Boozer one. I wouldn't want Boozer here for an MLE, let alone what he's going to be commanding. Mostly for the same reason. He has been exposed to have no character, so no thanks.

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