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Atlanta prepping 6 yr offer for Joe Johnson
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loweyecue
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7/1/2010  11:55 AM
Good Riddance. Never wanted Joe J and can't believe ATL would offer 120M!!! Seeeesh!!
Having said that I guess they had to come up with the money for him, who else is gonna go to ATL? We need to work on S&T for Bosh/Amare its the only way to get them.
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s3231
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7/1/2010  1:13 PM
Via Frank Isola on twitter:

Joe Johnson told Knicks last night in LA that Hawks had not yet offered a 6th year. "The key words are not yet,'" said a Knicks official

http://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/17504837588

"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
OffDaMeterzzzz
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7/1/2010  1:14 PM
I thought Joe was nuts for turning down 60 million for 4 yrs. Why on *** green earth do you give him a max contract after getting embarrassed and swept by the Magic. Way to go Joe. Some people NEVER LEARN from their mistakes or other people's misfortunes. Unless Atlanta has Wade or Lebron in their pocket, they will never go anywhere. Using your brain= not giving max contracts to non-franchise players. All you have to do is follow the Knicks blueprint to success on how to
"Not Destroy your Sports Team for Dummies".
loweyecue wrote:Good Riddance. Never wanted Joe J and can't believe ATL would offer 120M!!! Seeeesh!!
Having said that I guess they had to come up with the money for him, who else is gonna go to ATL? We need to work on S&T for Bosh/Amare its the only way to get them.
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7/1/2010  1:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2010  1:27 PM
It basically comes down to simple economics.

A lot of supply (teams with cap space) and high demand (teams have sacrificed so much that they HAVE to add someone) means Joe is going to get paid big by whoever misses out on the LeBron, Wade, and Bosh.

"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
OffDaMeterzzzz
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7/1/2010  1:38 PM
I understand that, but what's the point if your investing in a product that will take you nowhere. I would rather hold on to my $$, however long it takes until the right product and situation is available. No sense in burning your money with a lighter, wasting time and building for the moment when your looking to trade or release the player invested in. The Knicks have a decade of experience to learn from.
s3231 wrote:It basically comes down to simple economics.

A lot of supply (teams with cap space) and high demand (teams have sacrificed so much that they HAVE to add someone) means Joe is going to get paid big by whoever misses out on the LeBron, Wade, and Bosh.

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7/1/2010  1:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2010  1:46 PM
OffDaMeterzzzz wrote:I understand that, but what's the point if your investing in a product that will take you nowhere. I would rather hold on to my $$, however long it takes until the right product and situation is available. No sense in burning your money with a lighter, wasting time and building for the moment when your looking to trade or release the player invested in. The Knicks have a decade of experience to learn from.
s3231 wrote:It basically comes down to simple economics.

A lot of supply (teams with cap space) and high demand (teams have sacrificed so much that they HAVE to add someone) means Joe is going to get paid big by whoever misses out on the LeBron, Wade, and Bosh.

quite agree... u gotta hope the FO doesnt immediately fall back into the "old habits" if the better guys dont sign in ny. we have stunk for years with little chance to get better cuz in part poor talent choices (poor talent and/or bad contracts). might as well take another year (or more) with cheaper talent instead of overpaying just to get someone or trading for awful contracts (arenas).

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7/1/2010  1:48 PM
Eddie Curry
Vin Baker
Stephon Marbury
Jamal Crawford
Jerome James
Jared Jeffries
Shandon Anderson
Travis Knight
Clarence Weatherspoon
Tim Thomas
Howard Eisley
Penny Hardaway
Keith Van Horn
Maurice Taylor
Malik Rose
Jalen Rose
Quentin Richardson
Steve Francis
Larry Hughes


Joe Johnson
Al Jefferson
Gilbert Arenas
Rashard Lewis
Darko Milicic

s3231
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7/1/2010  1:53 PM
OffDaMeterzzzz wrote:I understand that, but what's the point if your investing in a product that will take you nowhere. I would rather hold on to my $$, however long it takes until the right product and situation is available. No sense in burning your money with a lighter, wasting time and building for the moment when your looking to trade or release the player invested in. The Knicks have a decade of experience to learn from.
s3231 wrote:It basically comes down to simple economics.

A lot of supply (teams with cap space) and high demand (teams have sacrificed so much that they HAVE to add someone) means Joe is going to get paid big by whoever misses out on the LeBron, Wade, and Bosh.

I agree with you in that it doesn't make sense to spend money just for the sake of spending it. Unfortunately, some teams will be forced to do that (hopefully not us) because of how much they have sacrificed.

"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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7/1/2010  1:54 PM
I would wait 10 years or however long it takes. The time is not the issue. Under no circumstances do I invest in a Joe Johnson (unless Wade or Lebron insist), Rashard Lewis, Gilbert Arenas or anyone of that nature. I will give NBDL players 1 year contracts until the draft, trade, free agency scenario works itself out for ME, not the rest of the NBA, like under Layden and Isiah's administration. AND I will keep giving NBDL and hungry players 1 year contracts before I ever make the same mistakes again of turning my franchise into a joke again by giving out max contracts to players who have nowhere near earned them
sidsanders wrote:
OffDaMeterzzzz wrote:I understand that, but what's the point if your investing in a product that will take you nowhere. I would rather hold on to my $$, however long it takes until the right product and situation is available. No sense in burning your money with a lighter, wasting time and building for the moment when your looking to trade or release the player invested in. The Knicks have a decade of experience to learn from.
s3231 wrote:It basically comes down to simple economics.

A lot of supply (teams with cap space) and high demand (teams have sacrificed so much that they HAVE to add someone) means Joe is going to get paid big by whoever misses out on the LeBron, Wade, and Bosh.

quite agree... u gotta hope the FO doesnt immediately fall back into the "old habits" if the better guys dont sign in ny. we have stunk for years with little chance to get better cuz in part poor talent choices (poor talent and/or bad contracts). might as well take another year (or more) with cheaper talent instead of overpaying just to get someone or trading for awful contracts (arenas).

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7/1/2010  2:03 PM
We sacrificed time to rid of Isiah and Layden's mess. That was our only guarantee. As fans it is imperative we understand that we sacrificed time to untangle the mess. It does not mean we go ahead and get ourselves back in the mess. So far our mandatory sacrifice is working out in our favor. We must keep the slate clean.

Walsh's drafting might be questionable, but his patience w David Lee-

1- Waitng to clear cap for Lebron and Wade
2- Lee has never led us to the playoffs
3- He is terrible/awful though slightly improving on defense
4- Lee is not a franchise player
5- Does not make plays for himself or his team

His transactions over the last 2 years tells me he is serious about building a good team. He proved it with the Pacers.

s3231 wrote:
OffDaMeterzzzz wrote:I understand that, but what's the point if your investing in a product that will take you nowhere. I would rather hold on to my $$, however long it takes until the right product and situation is available. No sense in burning your money with a lighter, wasting time and building for the moment when your looking to trade or release the player invested in. The Knicks have a decade of experience to learn from.
s3231 wrote:It basically comes down to simple economics.

A lot of supply (teams with cap space) and high demand (teams have sacrificed so much that they HAVE to add someone) means Joe is going to get paid big by whoever misses out on the LeBron, Wade, and Bosh.

I agree with you in that it doesn't make sense to spend money just for the sake of spending it. Unfortunately, some teams will be forced to do that (hopefully not us) because of how much they have sacrificed.

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7/1/2010  6:03 PM
Let JJ stay in Atlanta...for 6 more years. He did well to get that offer. The NY Knicks, once again, are being used by players to get other teams to give them better deals.

I am very glad that the NBA has a max limit on a player's salary. If not, can you imagine what would be going on right now.

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BasketballJones
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7/1/2010  6:07 PM
Markji wrote:Let JJ stay in Atlanta...for 6 more years. He did well to get that offer. The NY Knicks, once again, are being used by players to get other teams to give them better deals.

I am very glad that the NBA has a max limit on a player's salary. If not, can you imagine what would be going on right now.

Yeah- if they didn't get rid of the cap, each team would have one player.

However, if they did away with the cap, it would benefit teams like the Knicks with more $ to spend.

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Atlanta prepping 6 yr offer for Joe Johnson

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