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6/25/2010  7:02 PM
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alau53 wrote:if the knicks wanted him so much why didnt they draft him instead of leo's son..andy probably wouldnt have even been drafted if the knicks didnt take him
Totally agree. Maybe we feel Earl Barron is better and more experienced than Jerome Jordan? To many JJ's that busted for us....Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, Jared Jordan.

This team cannot survive without a JJ. Now we welcome JJ3.

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6/25/2010  7:39 PM
TheGame wrote:
Markji wrote:
alau53 wrote:if the knicks wanted him so much why didnt they draft him instead of leo's son..andy probably wouldnt have even been drafted if the knicks didnt take him
Totally agree. Maybe we feel Earl Barron is better and more experienced than Jerome Jordan? To many JJ's that busted for us....Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, Jared Jordan.

This team cannot survive without a JJ. Now we welcome JJ3.

Buckle up for Joe Johnson soon -- wouldn't surprise me..

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6/25/2010  8:09 PM
nixluva wrote:I read that the Knicks paid 1 mil for Jordan. I think it's good value. No matter what we did someone would be upset. If Whiteside turns in a Thabeet like performance then people will say he's so raw that it could take 2 more years before he's any good. I think they figure Jordan still has upside, but you can get some good use out of him even now. They said he didn't really start taking the game serious until he was 17.

All I know is that there was some concern about the 1st two picks, but in the end DW did what he was supposed to do. He took the skill players he wanted and still got a big with legit size and skills. Someone can like Whiteside's upside better, but that's just a personal guess as to what could maybe happen. Right now these guys are on the same level and it could be that Whiteside never reaches the potential some have in mind for him. It's a roll of the dice with these prospects. We won't know for sure for years if DW was right.

I disagree. I feel like the franchise is being run by Scott Layden again. The Knicks seem to be be going after high character guys with little or no upside. That was how Layden built the team and it didn't work. I also think the Knicks wanted guys with 4 years of college versus more talented guys that might not be as developed in their game yet but with tremendously more potential. I don't see anyway that these picks make sense. If you want these guys contact their agents after the draft and invite them to play on your summer league team.
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6/25/2010  9:35 PM
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nixluva wrote:I read that the Knicks paid 1 mil for Jordan. I think it's good value. No matter what we did someone would be upset. If Whiteside turns in a Thabeet like performance then people will say he's so raw that it could take 2 more years before he's any good. I think they figure Jordan still has upside, but you can get some good use out of him even now. They said he didn't really start taking the game serious until he was 17.

All I know is that there was some concern about the 1st two picks, but in the end DW did what he was supposed to do. He took the skill players he wanted and still got a big with legit size and skills. Someone can like Whiteside's upside better, but that's just a personal guess as to what could maybe happen. Right now these guys are on the same level and it could be that Whiteside never reaches the potential some have in mind for him. It's a roll of the dice with these prospects. We won't know for sure for years if DW was right.

I disagree. I feel like the franchise is being run by Scott Layden again. The Knicks seem to be be going after high character guys with little or no upside. That was how Layden built the team and it didn't work. I also think the Knicks wanted guys with 4 years of college versus more talented guys that might not be as developed in their game yet but with tremendously more potential. I don't see anyway that these picks make sense. If you want these guys contact their agents after the draft and invite them to play on your summer league team.

Sure these guys aren't high upside players, but in the end that isn't how you judge the value of a pick. You judge the value in how that player actually pans out. Lee was considered a high upside player, yet he worked hard and has mostly maximized his talent. He's made steady improvement and proved to be a great pick for where he was picked. If Rautins fills a role and is as successful in support of a star as say Derek Fisher or Steve Kerr, what's the complaint? These are 2nd rd picks!!! This wasn't like #8 Hill pick here. I can understand someone being disappointed in that pick initially if they felt they wanted someone with more upside or just a different player like Jennings etc. I even thought that the Knicks would go for a high upside guy like Whiteside, but after thinking on it, I can understand the route they took. They may have wanted to pick up guys that fit the approach the team is looking for ie. smart players with great teamwork skills and shooting, but they also took a chance on a C with some upside, so they did address that desire in this draft.

Rautins is a spectacular shooter and a good passer. Fields seems to have solid all around skills and great athletic ability. Jordan has the size and raw skills you would want in a prospect. He can go with either hand and he also is a good help defender. I fail to see the reason to be upset over this draft.

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6/25/2010  10:25 PM
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BRIGGS wrote:I wouldve preferred Whiteside by a mile but Jerome is not a bad 2nd round prospect at all. he needs massive improvement in his body balance--he needs to gain strength in his base. He will be able to do some things because of his length and at the same time he will get pushed around until he puts on size. His skills are pretty advanced for a guy who has not played too much hoop.

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jerome-jordan

Had an excellent showing in a late season match up with Hassan Whiteside where he took over the game and handily outplayed the young phenom using his polish, strength and experience (21 pts, 12 reb)

Freshmen --senior Whiteside would've been a top 3-5 pick next year

also--read into the article--"young phenom" and it doesnt mentioned that Whiteside also played Jordan pretty darn well himself three times. Believe me--it wasnt just the Knicks who missed the boat here but --I really think because of the what can you do for me today mentality that has entered back in but the second that Whiteside wouldve actually be available for me at 25 wouldve been the 2nd that I wouldve done whatever I needed to do to get him--I value him as much as anyone in this draft including wall.

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6/25/2010  10:34 PM
Jerome Jordan is clearly the best part of our draft night. At least he has size
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6/25/2010  11:15 PM
it must be written somewhere that the knicks are always to have a jj on their roster...
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6/26/2010  11:12 AM
From the New York Times:
The Knicks are expected to acquire Jerome Jordan, a 7-foot center from Tulsa who was selected by the Milwaukee Bucks with the 44th pick, according to a league official who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

The Bucks cannot trade Jordan until Corey Maggette, whom they acquired Tuesday from the Golden State Warriors, passes his physical.

Jordan would provide the Knicks with size in the lane. He averaged 15.4 points, 9.1 rebounds and 2.3 blocks last season and is the only Conference USA player with more than 800 rebounds and 300 blocks.

Meanwhile, Andy Rautins of Syracuse said it felt surreal to be drafted by the Knicks and to get a chance to play in Madison Square Garden. A dangerous 3-point shooter, Rautins said he hoped to take pressure off double teams with his scoring ability from the perimeter.

He is known more as a scorer than a distributer, but he said he felt comfortable playing point guard, a position where the Knicks are looking for help.

“I think in the general public, my ability to make plays is very underrated,” Rautins said. “My ability to get in the lane, find guys in transition, I think that goes unnoticed a lot.”

Landry Fields, who averaged 22 points and 8.8 rebounds at Stanford last season, is an athletic 6-foot-7 swingman with a versatile game. Fields’s 39-inch vertical leap was second highest among the players the Knicks worked out before the draft.

Fields said his basketball intelligence and his ability to fill multiple roles would make him valuable. He did not receive much publicity as a draft prospect, which he attributed to playing on the West Coast.

The Knicks saw promise in his potential. “Fields, I think, is a super athlete-type guy,” Donnie Walsh, the Knicks’ president, said. “His game is ahead of him. If you look at his stats, he had tremendous stats.”

Looks like it's a done deal. Nice pickup.

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6/26/2010  11:17 AM
Moonangie wrote:
From the New York Times:
The Knicks are expected to acquire Jerome Jordan, a 7-foot center from Tulsa who was selected by the Milwaukee Bucks with the 44th pick, according to a league official who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

The Bucks cannot trade Jordan until Corey Maggette, whom they acquired Tuesday from the Golden State Warriors, passes his physical.

Jordan would provide the Knicks with size in the lane. He averaged 15.4 points, 9.1 rebounds and 2.3 blocks last season and is the only Conference USA player with more than 800 rebounds and 300 blocks.

Meanwhile, Andy Rautins of Syracuse said it felt surreal to be drafted by the Knicks and to get a chance to play in Madison Square Garden. A dangerous 3-point shooter, Rautins said he hoped to take pressure off double teams with his scoring ability from the perimeter.

He is known more as a scorer than a distributer, but he said he felt comfortable playing point guard, a position where the Knicks are looking for help.

“I think in the general public, my ability to make plays is very underrated,” Rautins said. “My ability to get in the lane, find guys in transition, I think that goes unnoticed a lot.”

Landry Fields, who averaged 22 points and 8.8 rebounds at Stanford last season, is an athletic 6-foot-7 swingman with a versatile game. Fields’s 39-inch vertical leap was second highest among the players the Knicks worked out before the draft.

Fields said his basketball intelligence and his ability to fill multiple roles would make him valuable. He did not receive much publicity as a draft prospect, which he attributed to playing on the West Coast.

The Knicks saw promise in his potential. “Fields, I think, is a super athlete-type guy,” Donnie Walsh, the Knicks’ president, said. “His game is ahead of him. If you look at his stats, he had tremendous stats.

Looks like it's a done deal. Nice pickup.

I think this means Donnie didn't scout him.
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6/26/2010  2:52 PM
he always looks decent on offense with the ball - I almost have to assume that he's bad at everything else to fall this far at his size
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6/26/2010  3:08 PM
hope this kid can stick... we definitely could use his size in the middle... hopefully he can provide the shotblocking we need.
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6/26/2010  5:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/26/2010  5:34 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:he always looks decent on offense with the ball - I almost have to assume that he's bad at everything else to fall this far at his size

I also wonder how he fell so far? His offensive moves remind me of Tim Duncan's. Little floater hook; Jump bank shot. I don't understand why we didn't just take him with our own picks? But I am glad he is on our team as he fills big need for us.
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6/26/2010  5:40 PM
TheGame wrote:
Markji wrote:
alau53 wrote:if the knicks wanted him so much why didnt they draft him instead of leo's son..andy probably wouldnt have even been drafted if the knicks didnt take him
Totally agree. Maybe we feel Earl Barron is better and more experienced than Jerome Jordan? To many JJ's that busted for us....Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, Jared Jordan.

This team cannot survive without a JJ. Now we welcome JJ3.

Every one forgets Jared Jordan. The one and only JJ3.

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6/26/2010  5:49 PM
Vmart wrote:
TheGame wrote:
Markji wrote:
alau53 wrote:if the knicks wanted him so much why didnt they draft him instead of leo's son..andy probably wouldnt have even been drafted if the knicks didnt take him
Totally agree. Maybe we feel Earl Barron is better and more experienced than Jerome Jordan? To many JJ's that busted for us....Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, Jared Jordan.

This team cannot survive without a JJ. Now we welcome JJ3.

Every one forgets Jared Jordan. The one and only JJ3.

So Jerome Jordan officially becomes JJ4.

Can we build a team of just JJ's, just for fun.
If we get Joe Johnson, he would be JJ5.
Then there is James Jones, a good 3 pt shooter = JJ6.
Jarret Jack = JJ7
James Johnson - F Chicago = JJ8
anyone else?

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6/26/2010  6:50 PM
Hell...we may actually have someone with some moves in the post. Won't that be something different for us to watch.

Midrange shot does not seem too bad, either.

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6/26/2010  6:57 PM
Paladin55 wrote:Hell...we may actually have someone with some moves in the post. Won't that be something different for us to watch.

Midrange shot does not seem too bad, either.

Knicks were lucky that he wasnt taken 40-43--they shouldve secured the 7 footer and if they wanted Rautins badly he shouldve been 44. And when we look back in 3 years--we will know what kind of blunderous error we made by not picking up that 31 pick for sale and taking Whiteside.

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6/26/2010  7:03 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:Hell...we may actually have someone with some moves in the post. Won't that be something different for us to watch.

Midrange shot does not seem too bad, either.

Knicks were lucky that he wasnt taken 40-43--they shouldve secured the 7 footer and if they wanted Rautins badly he shouldve been 44. And when we look back in 3 years--we will know what kind of blunderous error we made by not picking up that 31 pick for sale and taking Whiteside.

#31 was for sale?

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6/26/2010  7:08 PM
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:Hell...we may actually have someone with some moves in the post. Won't that be something different for us to watch.

Midrange shot does not seem too bad, either.

Knicks were lucky that he wasnt taken 40-43--they shouldve secured the 7 footer and if they wanted Rautins badly he shouldve been 44. And when we look back in 3 years--we will know what kind of blunderous error we made by not picking up that 31 pick for sale and taking Whiteside.

#31 was for sale?

YES it was sold--that is why I'm on tangent:) That player was a lottery talent--you go for the highest upside in the 2nd round everyone knows that in the NBA. We couldve had 2 nice 7 footers

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6/26/2010  7:15 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:Hell...we may actually have someone with some moves in the post. Won't that be something different for us to watch.

Midrange shot does not seem too bad, either.

Knicks were lucky that he wasnt taken 40-43--they shouldve secured the 7 footer and if they wanted Rautins badly he shouldve been 44. And when we look back in 3 years--we will know what kind of blunderous error we made by not picking up that 31 pick for sale and taking Whiteside.

#31 was for sale?

YES it was sold--that is why I'm on tangent:) That player was a lottery talent--you go for the highest upside in the 2nd round everyone knows that in the NBA. We couldve had 2 nice 7 footers

oh, now i see it. From Atlanta.

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