Knixkik wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Vmart wrote:

iSergio wrote:

Vmart wrote:You guys do know that Ok4 is 6'8''-6'9'' max. He is to small you can't win with a small C like that.

Emeka Okafor is a legit 6'10". Same size as Kendrick Perkins. It's not about height anyway. It's about skill. Okafor is a very solid interior defender. Heck, Channing Frye is 7' tall. Is he more of a true Center than Okafor?

His contract is not a friendly deal. I don't want to be stuck with OK4. No thank you. Get me a legit 7' player on the cheap and keep Curry let him expire as for Collison I'll pass on him. We have Douglass who will give the same

How many 'legit' 7 ft players on the cheap are out there? Honestly, how much difference does 2 inches play? That's pretty short sighted. Kendrick Perkins is 6'10, he did pretty well for the Celts. Dwight Howard is listed at 6'11... not a legit 7 footer? I rather have a little more skill rather than a little more height. And Wingspan is far more important than height. OK4's wingspan is 7'4. I mean, I just don't know who you are thinking of that could (maybe) be had for Curry's contract that would complement the skill set brought by Plan A (Bron + Bosh).

We need a big time defensive center and the best option is okafor, maybe along with biendris. But okafor is a better defender and although not as athletic, probably a little better offensively. Also, he's more durable having played every game the last 3 years, and is more ready to help a team go deep into the playoffs. He's a top 5 defensive center in the league and the best player available to fill a need you can get for curry. Him only being 6-10 does not matter whatsoever. He's big and athletic, and our overall team would be bigger than most.
Okafor 6-10, Bosh 6-10, Gallo 6-10, LeBron 6-8, Douglas or Collison small. But that's 4 large players in lineup and that big, athletic team will cause some serious problems.

Earl Barron, DJ Mbenga could give you what Ok4 can and he would be a lot cheaper than going out and spending for a 10-9 player. Besides a lineup that small consisting of all 6'10'' players is gonna get eaten up by Orlando, the Celtic and the Lakers. Keep Curry's contract it can yield a lot better than Ok4. If you are going to be the center every inch counts there is a big difference between 2'' or 1'' in the NBA. Stop paying for things you don't need to pay for that is how the Knicks got into the mess they did over paying for below average players. Making smart moves is the key can't let it all go in one shot what if OK4 isn't the answer to the Center equation and then you need to replace him not as easily done because he does have a bad contract for the numbers that he puts up it is a horrendous contract.

BRIGGS wrote:

Vmart wrote:You guys do know that Ok4 is 6'8''-6'9'' max. He is to small you can't win with a small C like that.

I stood right next to Hilton Armstrong and Oak and Hilton is two inches taller easy. But Ok4 has been a very good NBA player--the original pundits of the Buck Williams comparisons were pretty on[but what is wrong with that?]. I think Oak with the addition of defense could be a nice OVERALL sub for Lee--but I don't not view him as good as Lee. But if we can get him for Curry alone that is a nice size steal. If we get Oak--there will be people in CT buying tickets I can tell u that.

You make a lot of positive contributions to this forum, Briggs. But I am not sure how comfortable I am with you're calling OK4 "Oak". For me, that name is reserved in Knicks lexicon for Oakley. And while OK4 has some shot blocking ability, he is nowhere near the player Oakley was. Oakley had an outside shot, and though he couldn't jump but an inch or so off the wood, he dominated a lot of MUCH bigger guys down low by using his hoops IQ, fierce determination and excellent hands.

Still, I am on board with trading fatso for OK4 as we need a defensive big to play next to Bosh who is somewhat defensively challenged (aka prima donna scorer).

TMS wrote:Lee will have to agree to go play in Toronto in yet another rebuilding situation for that deal to go down... personally i think he'd rather just sign on with a team where he thinks he can win with as it's unlikely he'll be benefitting from getting a 6th year tacked onto his deal this summer anyway like the top name FA's would.

No way in hell Lee would accept a S&T to Toronto. So we can forget that idea. There are a number of contending teams that will want Lee outright at $12-14 mil.

BRIGGS wrote:Jees I just hope something good comes out of the next two weeks---I think everyone does. This is it--I want to be pleasantly surprised.

So you think James Dolan turned over a new leaf ? He's had an agenda eversince our 99 run.

Entertainment at all cost winning is secondary.

playa2 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Jees I just hope something good comes out of the next two weeks---I think everyone does. This is it--I want to be pleasantly surprised.

So you think James Dolan turned over a new leaf ? He's had an agenda eversince our 99 run.

Entertainment at all cost winning is secondary.

3 issues:
Dolan knows nothing about how to build an NBA team.
Dolan has not hired good basketball people to run the Knicks.
Dolan has been overly loyal to those people.

How many years did Layden and Isiah set us back? Probably 4 each. There's your decade of losing. Dolan loved those guys. From what I know he STILL is close w/ Isiah.

Walsh is a GOOD basketball guy. He's patient. He's on the winning end of some of the NBAs more lopsided trades ever. He's as low key as it gets and equally honest. What you see is what you get. He's grooming Houston to be an exec. He will bring in more good basketball people. More importantly Dolan will open his checkbook for a guy who actually knows how to build a team.

Dolan's got ego issues and he's fallen in love w/ some retards in the front office, but he's got the most important thing you want from an owner, he spends. If we get a stud FA and are in the playoffs every year you can bet Dolan will carry a $90mm payroll to load the roster. So long as Walsh is running the show I'm confident that would be a good roster, as opposed to Marbury, Francis, Zach, Curry, puke puke puke

fishmike wrote:

metra wrote:OK4 is a terrible idea for HIS PRICE!

$11,540,375

$12,541,812

$13,543,250

$14,544,687

No way the Knicks should pick up that contract, it's way overpriced! Have we learned nothing from Isiah?

We're going to spend 2x MAX money this year and on top of that we want to commit to OK4? That's not a good idea. Find a good big through the draft, OK4 is overpriced.

sure no problem. By the way... please name 3 bigs from the last 3 years drafts who are as good as OK4.

Seriously... lets see what you come up with

Bunch of good bigs from the 2008 draft. Only some are close to Okafor, but all of them are 1/4 of the price. Its the price that's crucial.

metra wrote:Naming names: Horford, Noah and Lopez. All good, close if not better than Okafor and 1/3 of the price.

all 3 of those names you just cited are guys that are not available.

fishmike wrote:

playa2 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Jees I just hope something good comes out of the next two weeks---I think everyone does. This is it--I want to be pleasantly surprised.

So you think James Dolan turned over a new leaf ? He's had an agenda eversince our 99 run.

Entertainment at all cost winning is secondary.

furthest thing from the truth. You couldnt be more wrong. First and foremost Dolan has an image issue and wants to be regarded as a great owner and the Knicks a great franchise. He couldnt deal with any criticism which is why Marv is gone.

3 issues:
Dolan knows nothing about how to build an NBA team.
Dolan has not hired good basketball people to run the Knicks.
Dolan has been overly loyal to those people.

How many years did Layden and Isiah set us back? Probably 4 each. There's your decade of losing. Dolan loved those guys. From what I know he STILL is close w/ Isiah.

Walsh is a GOOD basketball guy. He's patient. He's on the winning end of some of the NBAs more lopsided trades ever. He's as low key as it gets and equally honest. What you see is what you get. He's grooming Houston to be an exec. He will bring in more good basketball people. More importantly Dolan will open his checkbook for a guy who actually knows how to build a team.

Dolan's got ego issues and he's fallen in love w/ some retards in the front office, but he's got the most important thing you want from an owner, he spends. If we get a stud FA and are in the playoffs every year you can bet Dolan will carry a $90mm payroll to load the roster. So long as Walsh is running the show I'm confident that would be a good roster, as opposed to Marbury, Francis, Zach, Curry, puke puke puke

Fishmike , when the knicks become relevant under James Dolan ownership again let the rest of the league and myself know....we are all waiting. By hiring Walsh you think our fortunes will turn huh ? When we passed on Jennings when we needed a pg in the worst way, I lost all hope for a turn around. Picking up the Gall was a community pick and many thought we had turn the corner with him. We turned the corner with him in the community, but not in the wins and loses category.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

metra wrote:OK4 is a terrible idea for HIS PRICE!

$11,540,375

$12,541,812

$13,543,250

$14,544,687

No way the Knicks should pick up that contract, it's way overpriced! Have we learned nothing from Isiah?

We're going to spend 2x MAX money this year and on top of that we want to commit to OK4? That's not a good idea. Find a good big through the draft, OK4 is overpriced.

sure no problem. By the way... please name 3 bigs from the last 3 years drafts who are as good as OK4.

Seriously... lets see what you come up with

Jordan Hill

I dont even like Hill and this is so true.