TMS wrote:D Lee will be playing more & more on the perimeter next year so you will need a guy who can bang down low & grab boards on the offensive side of the ball... OK4 is not ideal but he does fill our biggest need of shotblocking & he's also a good rebounder in the paint... if your PF is a weak defender like Amare or D Lee then it makes sense to bring in a guy like OK4 to cover the lane against penetration.

for all that $

fishmike wrote:

sebstar wrote:Man, people are looking at OK4 with such rose colored glasses. There is a reason why Brown dumped him with the quickness. Duke is looking more and more like Malik Rose --- especially on offense.

He's such a liability with the ball in his hands. If we're blessed enough to grab a Lebron type player and he is being doubled in a big spot, whats he going to do? Give it to OK4? Give him the ball and watch the comedy ensue. The Knicks would be playing four on five with him on offense.

If all things were equal, I would take a flyer on OK4. He has some strong points. But right now he is being paid superstar jack, for role player production and in an uncertain future NBA economy a contract like that could cripple us. Especially if we're trying to put together a championship squad.

Collison has looked good, real good, but he's a only a rookie. I dont think I could justify mortgaging our future for somebody that looked good as a fill-in. OK4's contract is just too long and expensive for a guy who is just a solid defender and shotblocker.

at least OK4 can hit a short jumper and has a couple of post moves, even if they are horribly robotic and unathletic. OK4 is 10x better than Varejo on both ends. OK would be a role player but he would really fill a need. Next year you would have OK4 playing center with either Amare, Bosh or Lee playing PF.

Even if things are status quo and we did get Lebron? He would be passing to Lee (shoots 55%), Douglas or Gallo. 3 guys that are very good scoring options. Those give you 3 jump shooter that will light you up if you collapse on Jame driving. Plus most of your MDA offense is going to be in transition or motion.

Knicks have MUCH better offensive players than Cle did. They can afford to have a guy like OK4

I'll give you this. If you give me Lebron and Bosh/Lee/Amare then I would have less reservations over the trade. Still tho, it would be either Wilson or TD/ Curry for Collison and OK4.

When we dumped Jeffries we had to include several assets just for Houston to take that contract off our hands. But in this case, we hypothetically have to match assets and in addition take a bad contract off N.O hands. That doesnt make sense to me.

Collison is a better prospect than Chandler or TD, but OK4's contract is way, way worse than Curry's deal.

BTW, I dont think OK4 is that much better than Verajo.

sebstar wrote:Man, people are looking at OK4 with such rose colored glasses. There is a reason why Brown dumped him with the quickness. Duke is looking more and more like Malik Rose --- especially on offense.

He's such a liability with the ball in his hands. If we're blessed enough to grab a Lebron type player and he is being doubled in a big spot, whats he going to do? Give it to OK4? Give him the ball and watch the comedy ensue. The Knicks would be playing four on five with him on offense.

If all things were equal, I would take a flyer on OK4. He has some strong points. But right now he is being paid superstar jack, for role player production and in an uncertain future NBA economy a contract like that could cripple us. Especially if we're trying to put together a championship squad.

Collison has looked good, real good, but he's a only a rookie. I dont think I could justify mortgaging our future for somebody that looked good as a fill-in. OK4's contract is just too long and expensive for a guy who is just a solid defender and shotblocker.

Word. Let's wait and get a better deal for Curry's expiring. I am not opposed to adding in Chandler to any deal, but he is a solid role player and I don't want to throw him away for OK4's bad deal and a promising rookie PG.

If Lebron is coming in, trading Chandler probably makes more sense than TD. OK4 is an awful deal, but if we got Collison for Chandler, that's a substantial upgrade to our roster at two positions of need (PG and C). Bosh/Lee would need a big like OK4 to handle the defensive duties. I also agree that given the depth of scoring on this squad, we could live without OK4 adding buckets.

Still, why rush into anything pre-draft?

knicks1248 wrote:

TMS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TMS wrote:D Lee will be playing more & more on the perimeter next year so you will need a guy who can bang down low & grab boards on the offensive side of the ball... OK4 is not ideal but he does fill our biggest need of shotblocking & he's also a good rebounder in the paint... if your PF is a weak defender like Amare or D Lee then it makes sense to bring in a guy like OK4 to cover the lane against penetration.

for all that $

it's a big contract no doubt but let's face it, we're all in for this summer... all the talk about 2011 & whatnot is all just talk to me... we didn't just give away the draft rights for our next 2 picks so we could wait til 2011 to make a splash... anyway, Collison is obviously the centerpiece of this deal.

You out of all people who BLASTED the HOU trade, is willing to take back a player with an enormous contract, who will have about as much of an impact as JJ, probably less considering JJ versatility on defense.

Thats essentially doing the same thing in reverse.

um... yeah well when someone blasts a particular move then you would have to imagine that the reverse course of action would be favored by that same person.

anyway, i don't see where i ever said i'd be in favor of giving away the rights to future draft picks to clear salary... the situation for next summer is different now that we're no longer in cap cutting mode anyways.

TMS wrote:the reasoning is to acquire a future PG star like Darren Collison in the process... after this summer our "cut the cap" stategy is gonna go right out the window, believe it... the entire premise behind cutting salary in the past couple years was to build up for this summer... this is the summer where the Knicks will add on longterm deals, you can bet on it.

I just don't think donny is swinging for the fences this year, he's going to wait for the right pitch,just look at his track record.

No way in hell collison turms into sessions.