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TMS
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5/26/2010  12:15 AM
DurzoBlint wrote:No animosity, just think he's grossly overrated. It is my belief that guys are still seeing the pre injured Amare instead of the current model :)

Hey, I'm no authority, just a guy sitting behind his computer and I could be wrong. Its all opinion anyway :)

pre-injury, Amare was 1 of the top 3 bigmen in the game... he's not at that level any more but you're overrating D Lee if u think he's a better player than Amare is even now.

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5/26/2010  7:48 AM
TMS wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:No animosity, just think he's grossly overrated. It is my belief that guys are still seeing the pre injured Amare instead of the current model :)

Hey, I'm no authority, just a guy sitting behind his computer and I could be wrong. Its all opinion anyway :)

pre-injury, Amare was 1 of the top 3 bigmen in the game... he's not at that level any more but you're overrating D Lee if u think he's a better player than Amare is even now.


if you wrote this at Christmas I would 100% agree with you. Did you watch him at all 2nd half of the year? Show me a frontcourt player who had a bigger impact 2nd half of the year. I dont think you can find one. The guy played the best basketball of his career.
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5/26/2010  8:02 AM
fishmike wrote:
TMS wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:No animosity, just think he's grossly overrated. It is my belief that guys are still seeing the pre injured Amare instead of the current model :)

Hey, I'm no authority, just a guy sitting behind his computer and I could be wrong. Its all opinion anyway :)

pre-injury, Amare was 1 of the top 3 bigmen in the game... he's not at that level any more but you're overrating D Lee if u think he's a better player than Amare is even now.


if you wrote this at Christmas I would 100% agree with you. Did you watch him at all 2nd half of the year? Show me a frontcourt player who had a bigger impact 2nd half of the year. I dont think you can find one. The guy played the best basketball of his career.

i'm certainly not disputing the fact that amar'e killed this year in the 2nd half, but that doesn't bother you? the guy has been known to dog it and now when he's playing for a contract, is when he does his best balling? i'm not saying that amar'e is not a talented player because if you ask me, just basing it on raw physical basketball tools and athleticism, this guy is in the top 5 talent-wise in the NBA. you just don't see it from him on a night to night to even month to month basis.

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5/26/2010  8:17 AM
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also, this is a fan board where opinions are allowed. I don't have to back up my opinion.....because by definition is a personal view or attitude. And I have stated all along its just my op
if you dont back up your opinions or statements they are worthless. All I asked is what your basing your opinion on, and you havent been able to tell me that, so to me its fodder (that means poop).

You say Amare is a 'piss poor rebounder'
Then maybe you can explain why he outrebounds his opponents every night?
statistical fact: http://www.82games.com/0910/09PHO11.HTM

You say Amare has an 'allergy to defense'
Yet you mentioned these guys: Noah, Bogut, Zach, Gasol, Lee and Bosh. You know what they all have in common? Their opponents all have a higher FG% than Amare's opponents. Thats really weird because you would think someone playing against a guy that doesnt defend would do better. In fact, of all the frontcourt guys you mentioned only KG and Dwight Howard hold their opponents to a lower FG% than Amare.

So lets sum up.

Regardless of how you *feel* about it, or what you *think* about it Amare is holding the guys he guards to a lower FG% than all but two of guys you mentioned (Noah, Bogut, Zach, Gasol, Lee and Bosh)

He's a winner. He's carried his team deep into the playoffs. He forced his will on his opponenents and his 'scoring ability' translates into wins.

Hey maybe he doesnt play ANY defense. But if thats the case his offense is so ferocious that his opponents cant score on him on the other end because they are to freakin tried to after guarding him.

The bottom line is this guy is a winner and beast no matter what you think of his game.

The only, the ONLY question is will his body hold up. If it does he's far superior to Bosh. Maybe its psychological, but the guys puts his will on the game. Bosh just doesnt do that.

Duro, I dont care if your wrong or right. This guy can play. He's elite. He destroyed guys the season. He was simply a force that teams could not deal with 2nd half of the year. This guy didnt have a good month. He put his team on his shoulders for 3 months the result was more wins in the NBA than any other team (I'm guessing here, but if not who was hotter?)

Thats elite.

Noah.. Zach... phucks sakes man, turn on the TV

Not trying to weigh in on either side - I tend to prefer the Lebron & Lee with other Filler option.

But any chance Amare is shooting a higher percentage because of maybe the offense & who is getting him all those easy looks (HOF NASH) and not so much the defensive effort of Amare?

Here is one case I will trust MDA on talent & personnel - if MDA doesn't want Amare, then that is for good reason. If he does, then I'll accept that Mike can make things work out.

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5/26/2010  8:19 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
fishmike wrote:
TMS wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:No animosity, just think he's grossly overrated. It is my belief that guys are still seeing the pre injured Amare instead of the current model :)

Hey, I'm no authority, just a guy sitting behind his computer and I could be wrong. Its all opinion anyway :)

pre-injury, Amare was 1 of the top 3 bigmen in the game... he's not at that level any more but you're overrating D Lee if u think he's a better player than Amare is even now.


if you wrote this at Christmas I would 100% agree with you. Did you watch him at all 2nd half of the year? Show me a frontcourt player who had a bigger impact 2nd half of the year. I dont think you can find one. The guy played the best basketball of his career.

i'm certainly not disputing the fact that amar'e killed this year in the 2nd half, but that doesn't bother you? the guy has been known to dog it and now when he's playing for a contract, is when he does his best balling? i'm not saying that amar'e is not a talented player because if you ask me, just basing it on raw physical basketball tools and athleticism, this guy is in the top 5 talent-wise in the NBA. you just don't see it from him on a night to night to even month to month basis.

I would say he was one of the most explosive players in the NBA. Shawn Kemp with skills. Then he had a some injuries. The knee slowed him down but I think the eye thing was even worse, because that just freaked him out. Didnt he almost go blind in that eye?

I never heard or saw lack of effort until the injuries hit, and his health is a legit concern. He's a max guy though and better than Bosh. He certainly played better this year

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5/26/2010  8:21 AM
Chris Bosh and Amare Stoudemire is really a wash. I do think Bosh is a better rebounder, help defender and shotblocker but Stoudemire is better offensively and seems to play with a better motor more consistently. I'd be happy with either one.
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5/26/2010  10:07 AM
this isnt totally fair because Amare has Nash but Amare has done some things that Bosh hasnt. He's won playoff games. He's carried his team into the playoffs. While Bosh was nicked up and doing his annual fade Amare was one of the best players in the league 2nd half and the Suns are now two wins away from the finals. I think that counts for something when you look at their bodies of work. I think Amare is more driven to win.
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5/26/2010  12:24 PM
fishmike wrote:
TMS wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:No animosity, just think he's grossly overrated. It is my belief that guys are still seeing the pre injured Amare instead of the current model :)

Hey, I'm no authority, just a guy sitting behind his computer and I could be wrong. Its all opinion anyway :)

pre-injury, Amare was 1 of the top 3 bigmen in the game... he's not at that level any more but you're overrating D Lee if u think he's a better player than Amare is even now.


if you wrote this at Christmas I would 100% agree with you. Did you watch him at all 2nd half of the year? Show me a frontcourt player who had a bigger impact 2nd half of the year. I dont think you can find one. The guy played the best basketball of his career.

i don't think he's at pre-injury Amare level, but he's still damn good... certainly a better player than David Lee.

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5/26/2010  1:17 PM
TMS wrote:
fishmike wrote:
TMS wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:No animosity, just think he's grossly overrated. It is my belief that guys are still seeing the pre injured Amare instead of the current model :)

Hey, I'm no authority, just a guy sitting behind his computer and I could be wrong. Its all opinion anyway :)

pre-injury, Amare was 1 of the top 3 bigmen in the game... he's not at that level any more but you're overrating D Lee if u think he's a better player than Amare is even now.


if you wrote this at Christmas I would 100% agree with you. Did you watch him at all 2nd half of the year? Show me a frontcourt player who had a bigger impact 2nd half of the year. I dont think you can find one. The guy played the best basketball of his career.

i don't think he's at pre-injury Amare level, but he's still damn good... certainly a better player than David Lee.


and Bosh
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5/27/2010  1:07 AM
at his best he's better than Bosh like i said... but the injury concerns are legitimate... given a choice i'd probably rather have Bosh only because i think he'd mesh better with MDA & Lebron, but as a big dawg down low i'd rather have Amare if i knew he'd be durable.
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5/27/2010  7:43 AM
TMS wrote:at his best he's better than Bosh like i said... but the injury concerns are legitimate... given a choice i'd probably rather have Bosh only because i think he'd mesh better with MDA & Lebron, but as a big dawg down low i'd rather have Amare if i knew he'd be durable.
its a fair concern, but I'm not sure Bosh is any more durable. He hasnt missed significant time, but it seems like he gets hurt every year and his level of play drastically drops.
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