Vmart wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

iSergio wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

Vmart wrote:You guys have inflated Jordan way to much in your head. Jordan had plenty of struggles vs. the Pistons and miserable shooting performances its just that time made you forget all the missing he did and most just remember the shots he made.

6 Championships and 6 Finals MVP it's comical to even begin to compare Lebron to Jordan.

LeBron James is just 25. Michael Jordan didn't win his first ring until he was 27.

Lebron entered the leauge two years earlier than Jordan so the age excuse is kind of over now. But I don't care how old Lebron is anyone comparing these two either have amnesia or have no knowledge of NBA basketball prior to 1998.

I agree with you age shouldn't be an excuse. There is no one like Jordan there never will be just like there will be no one like Magic, Kareem, Russell, Chamberlain, Robertson, Kobe, Duncan, Bird. Everyone is different and special in their own way. LeBron is a special player only a person with knowlegde of Jordan won't see past that. You have many factors that need to take place for things to go right in the NBA. Did Jordan win anything in the NBA without Pippen and Jackson? Where is LeBron's Pippen where is his Phil Jackson. You got a washed up Shaq, Jamison who by the way is no Pippen, you got a coach who is constantly being out coached.

bingo. agree 100%

sebstar wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

iSergio wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

Vmart wrote:You guys have inflated Jordan way to much in your head. Jordan had plenty of struggles vs. the Pistons and miserable shooting performances its just that time made you forget all the missing he did and most just remember the shots he made.

6 Championships and 6 Finals MVP it's comical to even begin to compare Lebron to Jordan.

LeBron James is just 25. Michael Jordan didn't win his first ring until he was 27.

Lebron entered the leauge two years earlier than Jordan so the age excuse is kind of over now. But I don't care how old Lebron is anyone comparing these two either have amnesia or have no knowledge of NBA basketball prior to 1998.

How is it comical? Ur comparing Jordan's complete career to Lebron's incomplete career.

Ur being opportunistic in your attack of Lebron by marginalizing him at an obvious low spot in his career. Vmart put things in perspective. Jordan was completely vexed by the Pistons FOR YEARS at the same age that Lebron is at now. I'm sure there were people like you who were saying that it was comical to compare Jordan to greats like Oscar Robertson and Bill Russell during that period.

Talent wise, Lebron is at Jordan's level --- perhaps even superior in some categories. At this stage of their respective careers, they are definitely comparable. We'll see how it plays out, but dont play that generational hate game.

the pistons were elite, so jordan not getting past them i dont recall folks saying poop about it. i dont see the type of teams lbj has to beat like jordan had to get past. rule changes, plus the evolution of the 3 have altered things for sure.

sebstar wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

iSergio wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

Vmart wrote:You guys have inflated Jordan way to much in your head. Jordan had plenty of struggles vs. the Pistons and miserable shooting performances its just that time made you forget all the missing he did and most just remember the shots he made.

6 Championships and 6 Finals MVP it's comical to even begin to compare Lebron to Jordan.

LeBron James is just 25. Michael Jordan didn't win his first ring until he was 27.

Lebron entered the leauge two years earlier than Jordan so the age excuse is kind of over now. But I don't care how old Lebron is anyone comparing these two either have amnesia or have no knowledge of NBA basketball prior to 1998.

How is it comical? Ur comparing Jordan's complete career to Lebron's incomplete career.

Ur being opportunistic in your attack of Lebron by marginalizing him at an obvious low spot in his career. Vmart put things in perspective. Jordan was completely vexed by the Pistons FOR YEARS at the same age that Lebron is at now. I'm sure there were people like you who were saying that it was comical to compare Jordan to greats like Oscar Robertson and Bill Russell during that period.

Talent wise, Lebron is at Jordan's level --- perhaps even superior in some categories. At this stage of their respective careers, they are definitely comparable. We'll see how it plays out, but dont play that generational hate game.

sebs on the right track. but, i wouldnt define it as a low spot of his career. its been two games, so that doesnt make up one's career. looking at jordan's stats during the 3 yrs the pistons ousted them and comparing to lebron's now. mike had him beat by 5 or 6 pts a game but lebron had mike in assists. so call it a wash per se.

the GLARING difference as some eluded to in this thread is the 'killer instinct' part of lebron's game right now. for some reason he doesnt know how to step on a teams throat when they are down. he cld've done it with the celts in games 4 and 5, but chose a more lax approach. that in my mind is the difference.

jordan had it, kobe has it, lebron prob will have it down the road - it starts when he stops being so defferential to his teammates and starts being more of a pr!ck if he's ever gonna reach jordan status. he's gotta get in shaq's face when shaq cant even run down the floor. he's gotta get in mo's face when mo is taking crappy shots, he's gotta get in jamison's face when he forgets that there is also a defensive aspect to the game. until then, he'll be that 'all smiles' guy that has great talent, but no hardward to show for it.

nice guys normally dont finish first.....

sidsanders wrote:

sebstar wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

iSergio wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

Vmart wrote:You guys have inflated Jordan way to much in your head. Jordan had plenty of struggles vs. the Pistons and miserable shooting performances its just that time made you forget all the missing he did and most just remember the shots he made.

6 Championships and 6 Finals MVP it's comical to even begin to compare Lebron to Jordan.

LeBron James is just 25. Michael Jordan didn't win his first ring until he was 27.

Lebron entered the leauge two years earlier than Jordan so the age excuse is kind of over now. But I don't care how old Lebron is anyone comparing these two either have amnesia or have no knowledge of NBA basketball prior to 1998.

How is it comical? Ur comparing Jordan's complete career to Lebron's incomplete career.

Ur being opportunistic in your attack of Lebron by marginalizing him at an obvious low spot in his career. Vmart put things in perspective. Jordan was completely vexed by the Pistons FOR YEARS at the same age that Lebron is at now. I'm sure there were people like you who were saying that it was comical to compare Jordan to greats like Oscar Robertson and Bill Russell during that period.

Talent wise, Lebron is at Jordan's level --- perhaps even superior in some categories. At this stage of their respective careers, they are definitely comparable. We'll see how it plays out, but dont play that generational hate game.

the pistons were elite, so jordan not getting past them i dont recall folks saying poop about it. i dont see the type of teams lbj has to beat like jordan had to get past. rule changes, plus the evolution of the 3 have altered things for sure.

Yeah, the Celtics arent as good as those Pistons teams, but the Cavs arent nearly as good as those Bulls teams so its kind of a wash. I dont know what people were saying about Jordan specifically, but I'm sure old heads were dying to hate on a cat that was a media sensation and an emerging icon to the younger generation.

I'm sure they weren't tripping over themselves to anoint him as an all-time great, until his greatness was unquestionable.

jimimou wrote:

sebstar wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

iSergio wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

Vmart wrote:You guys have inflated Jordan way to much in your head. Jordan had plenty of struggles vs. the Pistons and miserable shooting performances its just that time made you forget all the missing he did and most just remember the shots he made.

6 Championships and 6 Finals MVP it's comical to even begin to compare Lebron to Jordan.

LeBron James is just 25. Michael Jordan didn't win his first ring until he was 27.

Lebron entered the leauge two years earlier than Jordan so the age excuse is kind of over now. But I don't care how old Lebron is anyone comparing these two either have amnesia or have no knowledge of NBA basketball prior to 1998.

How is it comical? Ur comparing Jordan's complete career to Lebron's incomplete career.

Ur being opportunistic in your attack of Lebron by marginalizing him at an obvious low spot in his career. Vmart put things in perspective. Jordan was completely vexed by the Pistons FOR YEARS at the same age that Lebron is at now. I'm sure there were people like you who were saying that it was comical to compare Jordan to greats like Oscar Robertson and Bill Russell during that period.

Talent wise, Lebron is at Jordan's level --- perhaps even superior in some categories. At this stage of their respective careers, they are definitely comparable. We'll see how it plays out, but dont play that generational hate game.

sebs on the right track. but, i wouldnt define it as a low spot of his career. its been two games, so that doesnt make up one's career. looking at jordan's stats during the 3 yrs the pistons ousted them and comparing to lebron's now. mike had him beat by 5 or 6 pts a game but lebron had mike in assists. so call it a wash per se.

the GLARING difference as some eluded to in this thread is the 'killer instinct' part of lebron's game right now. for some reason he doesnt know how to step on a teams throat when they are down. he cld've done it with the celts in games 4 and 5, but chose a more lax approach. that in my mind is the difference.

jordan had it, kobe has it, lebron prob will have it down the road - it starts when he stops being so defferential to his teammates and starts being more of a pr!ck if he's ever gonna reach jordan status. he's gotta get in shaq's face when shaq cant even run down the floor. he's gotta get in mo's face when mo is taking crappy shots, he's gotta get in jamison's face when he forgets that there is also a defensive aspect to the game. until then, he'll be that 'all smiles' guy that has great talent, but no hardward to show for it.

nice guys normally dont finish first.....

Last night might have been the worse game I've seen from a major superstar in a big spot. And its like you said, it was completely owed to Lebron's passiveness and lack of killer instinct. A bad game is one thing, but duke played like a straight puzzy who didnt even want to be out there. that was inexplicable.

Pippen During the first three Championship years

1991 21.6pts 8.9rbs 5.8ass 2stls 1blk
1992 19.5pts 8.8rbs 6.7ass 2stls 1blk
1993 20.1pts 6.9rbs 5.6ass 2stls 1blk

So let's be realistic here.

The Shaq Kobe had

01 30.4pts 15.4rbs 2.1ass 2.4blks
02 28.5pts 12.6rbs 2.8ass 2.8blks
03 27.0pts 14.8rbs 3.7ass 2.8blks
04 21.5pts 13.2pts 2.5pts 3.8blks

It's a joke how little the guy has. Hell he might have the worst supporting cast outside of the Bucks in the entire playoffs.

You give Lebron those players with Phil Jackson he has a trophy every year he plays

bitty41 wrote:

sebstar wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

How is it comical? Ur comparing Jordan's complete career to Lebron's incomplete career.

The NBA, media, and fans have created this absurd hype. The NBA did for business purposes (they needed a new face of the league, the media did it to create more buzz, and fans did it because there is almost no historical perspective amongst NBA fans and also many NBA fans are just clueless about basketball. From day one he's been referred to as "The King" everywhere I looked in Manhattan there was a Lebron billboard with the question "are you going to bare witness" and I thought wtf has the world gone mad. Is he among the best players in the league probably top 2 yes but this absurdity of him being compared or considered among the greats is crazy. Stop saying he's the best 25 year old ever in the NBA, take him off the pedestal and than he won't be "unfairly" compared to the likes of Jordan.

There was absurd hype surrounding Jordan during his ascension too --- before he even won anything. You can make a case that Lebron is the best 25 y/o of all time. Its hype for sure, but its not unjustified at all.

What hype are you talking about? He wasn't even drafted number 1 or even number 2. You expect journalist, fans to not pay attention to a guy who averaged 28 points in his rookie season and dropped 63 points on the Celts during a playoff game?

Best 25 year old of all-time really what was MJ, Magic, Bird, Elgin Baylor, Wilt Chamberlain, what were they all doing at 25?

I blame this on the internet.

bitty41 wrote:

sebstar wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

How is it comical? Ur comparing Jordan's complete career to Lebron's incomplete career.

The NBA, media, and fans have created this absurd hype. The NBA did for business purposes (they needed a new face of the league, the media did it to create more buzz, and fans did it because there is almost no historical perspective amongst NBA fans and also many NBA fans are just clueless about basketball. From day one he's been referred to as "The King" everywhere I looked in Manhattan there was a Lebron billboard with the question "are you going to bare witness" and I thought wtf has the world gone mad. Is he among the best players in the league probably top 2 yes but this absurdity of him being compared or considered among the greats is crazy. Stop saying he's the best 25 year old ever in the NBA, take him off the pedestal and than he won't be "unfairly" compared to the likes of Jordan.

There was absurd hype surrounding Jordan during his ascension too --- before he even won anything. You can make a case that Lebron is the best 25 y/o of all time. Its hype for sure, but its not unjustified at all.

What hype are you talking about? He wasn't even drafted number 1 or even number 2. You expect journalist, fans to not pay attention to a guy who averaged 28 points in his rookie season and dropped 63 points on the Celts during a playoff game?

Best 25 year old of all-time really what was MJ, Magic, Bird, Elgin Baylor, Wilt Chamberlain, what were they all doing at 25?

Hype like the Spike lee/Mars Blackman commercials. Hype like the '89 all-star game in Chicago that was completely built around his ascension. Gatorade commercials. Ext. All before he won anything. I dont know how draft position factors into the argument. The only difference now is the increased media penetration and outlets which accounts for Lebron's hype.

You act like Lebron is a complete media creation. Like his "greatness" is somekind of joke to you. His career so far has been superb. Last night none withstanding.

jimimou wrote:fact of the matter is that both mike and bron are all making (or have made) dukkets of cash and we fools are sitting here arguing over who's jock smells better. on that note......

If we all thought like that, what would be the point of following sports at all? My life is good, I'm eatin...why hate?