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fishmike
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5/11/2010  7:52 AM
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Olbrannon wrote:Still don't see any upside to trading Ill Will. He's just coming into his own. Plays 3 positions. Plays defense.
If he was on another team the lot of you would be salivating over his skills at the price he gets paid.

Fans lack of patience with this cat is an indictment of NY fans. Good, hardworking, talented, improves every year.


same thing with Lee. He went from a hustle guy taken to 30th to an all star. I think Gallo and Douglas are in the same mold. Hard working guys that will improve. Also will play hurt.
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5/11/2010  8:52 AM
There's a lot to like about Whiteside. His shot blocking ability would be a huge fit. He also boards well. His basketball iq is questionable and his passing reminds me of Curry. Unlike Curry, he needs to put on weight to play center.
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5/11/2010  9:01 AM
fishmike wrote:
sebstar wrote:
Olbrannon wrote:Still don't see any upside to trading Ill Will. He's just coming into his own. Plays 3 positions. Plays defense.
If he was on another team the lot of you would be salivating over his skills at the price he gets paid.

Fans lack of patience with this cat is an indictment of NY fans. Good, hardworking, talented, improves every year.


same thing with Lee. He went from a hustle guy taken to 30th to an all star. I think Gallo and Douglas are in the same mold. Hard working guys that will improve. Also will play hurt.

This could easily be said about Wil. I'm happy to have Wilson on our team. He's a good guy who fits the "culture" we're trying to incorporate - imo.

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5/11/2010  9:05 AM
I like Wilson Chandler. I even think he has more pure talent than Danilo Gallinari. But assuming we sign a wing player like LeBron James, Joe Johnson or Rudy Gay, we'll have a log jam and desperately need to improve other areas of the team - PG & Center. That's why you trade Chandler since management is married to Gallo.
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5/11/2010  9:11 AM
iSergio wrote:I like Wilson Chandler. I even think he has more pure talent than Danilo Gallinari. But assuming we sign a wing player like LeBron James, Joe Johnson or Rudy Gay, we'll have a log jam and desperately need to improve other areas of the team - PG & Center. That's why you trade Chandler since management is married to Gallo.

I see that, but the only way I'm down with replacing Wilson is if we get LeBron. Rudy Gay vs Wil is a tough choice, and I've completely given up on JJ and the prospect of him being a Knick with our fanbase's nature and his latest "run in" with the Hawks' crowd

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5/11/2010  9:36 AM
skeng wrote:
fishmike wrote:
sebstar wrote:
Olbrannon wrote:Still don't see any upside to trading Ill Will. He's just coming into his own. Plays 3 positions. Plays defense.
If he was on another team the lot of you would be salivating over his skills at the price he gets paid.

Fans lack of patience with this cat is an indictment of NY fans. Good, hardworking, talented, improves every year.


same thing with Lee. He went from a hustle guy taken to 30th to an all star. I think Gallo and Douglas are in the same mold. Hard working guys that will improve. Also will play hurt.

This could easily be said about Wil. I'm happy to have Wilson on our team. He's a good guy who fits the "culture" we're trying to incorporate - imo.


I WAS saying it about Chandler. 100% about him. He can play 2/3/4. Scores at a high FG%. Defends well. Does everything well, works hard, keeps getting better. Even if we did get LBJ I keep him. Even if we get Lebron there is certainly a role for Chadler here. Bring him off the bench for 30 minutes a game in Harrington's role. There is no downside. If he's redundant you can package him and Curry's expiring for a very good player. Wilson stays unless I am really getting something I need like Rubio.
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5/11/2010  9:42 AM
BRIGGS wrote:The more I watch the playoffs the more I realize just how badly we need big men. yes we need penetrators shoot drive kick--but those guys should be there. If I could get bigger[even a draft pick like Whiteside] using Chandler--I would do it. We have to somehow bite the bullet in the paint or you wont get there.

How do they fit in danphoney's scheme of things though?

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5/11/2010  9:43 AM
iSergio wrote: That's why you trade Chandler since management is married to Gallo.

Hmmm somebody gets it !

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5/11/2010  9:47 AM
fishmike wrote:
skeng wrote:
fishmike wrote:
sebstar wrote:
Olbrannon wrote:Still don't see any upside to trading Ill Will. He's just coming into his own. Plays 3 positions. Plays defense.
If he was on another team the lot of you would be salivating over his skills at the price he gets paid.

Fans lack of patience with this cat is an indictment of NY fans. Good, hardworking, talented, improves every year.


same thing with Lee. He went from a hustle guy taken to 30th to an all star. I think Gallo and Douglas are in the same mold. Hard working guys that will improve. Also will play hurt.

This could easily be said about Wil. I'm happy to have Wilson on our team. He's a good guy who fits the "culture" we're trying to incorporate - imo.


I WAS saying it about Chandler. 100% about him. He can play 2/3/4. Scores at a high FG%. Defends well. Does everything well, works hard, keeps getting better. Even if we did get LBJ I keep him. Even if we get Lebron there is certainly a role for Chadler here. Bring him off the bench for 30 minutes a game in Harrington's role. There is no downside. If he's redundant you can package him and Curry's expiring for a very good player. Wilson stays unless I am really getting something I need like Rubio.

lol sorry.. I aint read no good right now

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5/11/2010  9:50 AM
playa2 wrote:
iSergio wrote: That's why you trade Chandler since management is married to Gallo.

Hmmm somebody gets it !

why shouldn't management be married to gallo? he's the better player.

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5/11/2010  10:48 AM
I think this is a very fair solid piece on Whiteside

Draft Report: Hassan Whiteside Of Marshall

By: Christopher Reina
RealGM.com Writer

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May 7, 2010 6:31 PM

While Cole Aldrich and Greg Monroe are easily projectable centers, both their high-side and low-side potential, Hassan Whiteside is a far more difficult and enigmatic prospect to be completely comfortable in evaluating.

Despite clearly being relatively new to basketball, Whiteside has a remarkable offensive skill set. You only need to watch him play for a few trips down the floor, see the No. 21 and realize that he idolizes Kevin Garnett and attempts to pattern his game after him.

Whiteside has a jumper that projects to be above average for a big. Despite being so inexperienced in many facets of the game, his shot is so smooth that it looks advanced. He is able to use that shot to make turnaround fadeaway jumpers and three-pointers. The shot can be a bit streaky and nobody wants a seven-footer playing away from the basket too much, but it is a weapon that should allow him to stretch defenders at least a little bit. When Whiteside hits a jumper, it typically looks very pure.

He has impressive good touch around the bucket, using the glass skillfully when available. Whiteside's innate ability in this facet of the game is something you can't really develop or teach too well.

Whiteside's scoring efficiency is particularly remarkable for two reasons:

1. Whiteside had to work against collapsed defenses for his offense. You would rarely see him receiving passes for easy layups or lobs due to the multiple defenders in his vicinity.

2. Perhaps more importantly, Whiteside has barely begun to utilize his length. He rarely extends straight up to shoot over his defenders, instead contorting into an upside-down L-shape. This is somehow fairly effective, but he isn't using 50% of his potential that he will once he functionally uses his height and wingspan.

In the traditional post, I think we begin to really see where Whiteside's limitations of strength and fundamentals catch up with him. Ahead of the catch, he is far too stationary and therefore doesn't end up having the ball where he wants it. He will be weak with the ball when doubled in the post and will end up settling for lower percentage shots.

But to Whiteside's credit, he already has a nice up and under move, has proven he can score with a little baby hook and has some nice spin moves off the dribble from the mid-post. He has a really smooth handle for his size and I think if he gets really comfortable in the mid-post where he doesn't need to be quite as strong and goes a little lower as he evolves, it will be an easier transition.

The most immediately effective part of Whiteside's offensive game will probably be setting on-ball screens. He isn't strong enough where defenders will be unable to fight through the screen, but he's long enough to create a wide obstacle and then the dribbler will have the option of hitting him rolling to the bucket for a Chris Paul to Tyson Chandler type of lob that we frequently saw in New Orleans, or they can also hit him for an open jumper. Whiteside will have the option of taking a 15-footer that he should eventually be able to hit at an efficient percentage, or he can put the ball on the deck to drive the lane.

Even though Whiteside will need to gain mass to really be an elite rebounder, his length makes it a relatively easy endeavor for him. His instincts on the offensive glass are very encouraging, as almost half of his boards were on that side of the floor.

As an athlete, Whiteside is clearly agile and coordinated, which isn't always a given for seven-footers. His movements resemble a guard a little bit. I don't suspect his vertical will ever blow anyone away, but his length compensates for that considerably and he unquestionably will be an above the rim player on both sides of the floor.

Whiteside has a remarkable block rate, completely negating the paint, though how his out of this world Conference-USA numbers will compare to superior competition will take a while to determine. We really won't know that until we see him in summer league following the draft.

Regardless of what level it might be, Whiteside averaged 5.4 blocks per game while receiving just 26.1 minutes, which is unshakably outstanding.

He has a good natural anticipation when the ball is near him, but he struggles with the absolute basic fundamentals of off-ball defense. Whiteside also doesn't yet understand how to defend the post both pre-pass and when his man has the ball.

Physically strong post players will outmuscle him and quick post players will simply go around him. He relies too heavily on his length, not getting into a strong enough defensive stance. This makes his center of gravity easily movable and also restricts his lateral movement. Whiteside inexcusably struggles to stay in front of his man.

To his credit, Whiteside does do an excellent job of getting as long as he can when his man gives up his dribble, something he doesn't do offensively as I mentioned earlier.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_feature_pieces/900/20100507/draft_report_hassan_whiteside_of_marshall/#ixzz0ne0YZNaO

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5/11/2010  12:29 PM
everything there says 2-3 years away. This isnt the team
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5/11/2010  12:32 PM
fishmike wrote:everything there says 2-3 years away. This isnt the team

The biggest fallacy holding back the Knicks is that somehow they are always ebtter than they are. Wew just won 27 games. Evene if we got LBJ and resigned D Lee we are not vying for a title for atleast 3 years anyway--so Like i said--and like the Lakers did with Bynum--bite the bullet. This kid can help us now anyway.

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5/11/2010  12:51 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
fishmike wrote:everything there says 2-3 years away. This isnt the team

The biggest fallacy holding back the Knicks is that somehow they are always ebtter than they are. Wew just won 27 games. Evene if we got LBJ and resigned D Lee we are not vying for a title for atleast 3 years anyway--so Like i said--and like the Lakers did with Bynum--bite the bullet. This kid can help us now anyway.

You can't say for sure just how good the new team would he since we don't even know who else would be on the team.

Lebron
Bosh
Gallo
Chandler
TD

maybe Walker, Barron would be pretty good. MDA won 54 and made the WCF with less.

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5/11/2010  1:03 PM
Why give up an asset like Chandler for Whiteside, he may end up being a great center but their is still risk factor involved. Knicks can definitely look into Alabi and they probably can get him by purchasing a pick which would be a wise move. I would like to get Whiteside but not at the expense of losing Chandler. If people understand what he did last year you will realize that he is only going to get better. Without off season workouts he performed very well I can only imagine how well he performs with a solid off season of workouts. Chandler is going to be a very good compliment to a LeBron, I can see him as a LeBron's Pippen.

Another player I would look into is the player out of Rutgers Ndiaye. He is very good shot blocker raw on offense but shot blocking is there I thin he can be a very competent defensive center.

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5/11/2010  1:05 PM
Pippen and Jordan played different positions. Chandlers best position is also LeBrons.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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5/11/2010  1:08 PM
kam77 wrote:Pippen and Jordan played different positions. Chandlers best position is also LeBrons.

Chandler played SG most of last year.

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5/11/2010  4:15 PM
crzymdups wrote:
kam77 wrote:Pippen and Jordan played different positions. Chandlers best position is also LeBrons.

Chandler played SG most of last year.

Doesn't mean he is an ideal fit there. You usually need a good jumpshot to be a shooting guard.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
How about Wilson Chandler to LA Clippers

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