Marv wrote:

fishmike wrote:honest to god I miss Jerome. Remember we all went to the garden loaded? Jerome comes in... runs down the court. Jacks up a shot, then raise his hand "coach.... need a breather."

Those are special times. Special.

that's in my mental highlight reel forever.

that might have been my last great knicks memory....he went coast to coast on that play!!!

jimimou wrote:

Marv wrote:

fishmike wrote:honest to god I miss Jerome. Remember we all went to the garden loaded? Jerome comes in... runs down the court. Jacks up a shot, then raise his hand "coach.... need a breather."

Those are special times. Special.

that's in my mental highlight reel forever.

that might have been my last great knicks memory....he went coast to coast on that play!!!

I think I was at that game. Hadn't he gone off for like 14pts in the first 10 mins, then begged for a sub?

Panos wrote:

jimimou wrote:

Marv wrote:

fishmike wrote:honest to god I miss Jerome. Remember we all went to the garden loaded? Jerome comes in... runs down the court. Jacks up a shot, then raise his hand "coach.... need a breather."

Those are special times. Special.

that's in my mental highlight reel forever.

that might have been my last great knicks memory....he went coast to coast on that play!!!

I think I was at that game. Hadn't he gone off for like 14pts in the first 10 mins, then begged for a sub?

Literally, one round tip down the floor and about 14 seconds on the game clock... and thats all the time the Big Game needs to have an impact.

iSergio wrote:

Andrew wrote:iSergio, your # of cap holds should decrease for every player signed. 8 is too many.

So assuming we sign 2 MAX FA's and keep Bill Walker, we will only have 5 cap holds equaling $2.4M.

#1 MAX FA $16.8M
#2 MAX FA $16.8M
Eddy Curry $11.3M
Danilo Gallinari $3.3M
Wilson Chandler $2.1M
Toney Douglas $1.1M
*Bill Walker $0.85K
Cap Holds .47K x 5 = $2.4M
Total = $54.65M

We would have $1.5M left for a 1st Rounder - thank you Andrew for clearing that up!

I guess if you can do it then you do it but I still say we have enough young players to develop and getting another and trying to work him in might backfire for several players.

Also if we do score 2 MAX FAs then that 1.5M is much better served on a veteran player and not another kid who needs to be developed.

BRIGGS wrote:Not happening
http://www.fox23news.com/sports/custom/localsports/story/Fredette-Injured-During-Knicks-Workout/J0j1hvu6fEePfL67MfNpjA.cspx

maybe he was "injured"

BRIGGS wrote:

Cosmic--what player in the playoffs signed for 1.5mm is making any kind of material impact---answer none. I think the Knicks would be better suited do to what the NO Hornets did by grabbing Collison and Thorton[for example] in the late 1 early 2. If we can acquire a late one--I like my chances taking three wings to have much more impact than 1 NBA player I can get for 1.5mm for 1.5mm you're not going to get that much in the NBA. You might--but I think with the quality and depth of guards in the draft --I think I would go that way. We still need to build a team--even if we got LBJ--we still have many holes.

You have virtually no chance of getting a Tont parker already in the NBA for 1.5mm--you have a very reasonable chance if we have three picks to find atleast one really good player. Look at the past 10 drafts in the late 1 early 2.

Four quick thoughts: (I want to answer this is more detail but don't have the time at the moment)

1) It'd be nice to know exactly what we have to spend and what we have left after signing certain players.

2) We keep talking 2 max but I can't see it happening because at least 1 has a chance to be an S&T so he can have his 6 years/max at 12.5% raises [sign with old team] versus 5 years/max at 10% raises [new team]. So we have to be careful here when just saying "2 maxes". For if it's 2 S&T'd maxes? We're coming up short and having to get that done by I guess buying Eddy out for 1M less. So...it's tough to say if we even have this ~1.5M to use. Outright signed max = 16.8M.... S&T'd max = 17.9M.

Now, if we do land two max at 16.8M starting each, that means we just built a great team. Here is where I say I'd rather risk a veteran in his last year as a backup player - than try to hope we just go a "Tayshaun Prince" type rookie at #24. A glue guy. A player-coach type. Who can still give you something on the court - would go much further than a rookie IMO.

3) We can score at #24 in the draft. We can also bomb at it. Given our situation do we really risk bombing by buying a #24 pick in lieu of signing a max player and a couple of solid players and that one veteran?

4) Cap Holds. Every cap hold that is figured into our cap space also tends to double, triple, or more when filled with actual players. This alone can easily absorb this potential 1.5M of space and more.

***We really need someone with skill to lay down the possibilities within a few hundred dollars so we can even have these conversations.

Jimmer Fredette's final workout in front of an NBA team was cut short Friday by a quad injury, but the BYU guard reportedly will withdraw his name from the NBA Draft today before the 3 p.m. MDT deadline. Working out for the New York Knicks, Fredette was injured early in the practice session and was treated by the Knicks' medical staff. His father, Al Fredette, told a New York television station that the injury was not serious. Jimmer Fredette was scheduled to return to Utah on Friday night and meet with BYU coach Dave Rose today before making the decision official. Fredette, a junior, led BYU by averaging 22.1 points per game this season.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#ixzz0nLodF9sC

the new NCAAs rules are stupid. i bet jimmer could have gotten a first round guarantee if he had until early june to decide.

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Not happening
http://www.fox23news.com/sports/custom/localsports/story/Fredette-Injured-During-Knicks-Workout/J0j1hvu6fEePfL67MfNpjA.cspx

maybe he was "injured"

let's hope os

BRIGGS wrote:6k posts and I haven't noticed one where cosmic laid out a name of a player he would like the Knicks to get in FA. I guess its easy to say LBJ--but what if no LBJ--what is the plan Cosmic???:(

The only thing I can pick up is that Jordan Hill scks David Lee is an average NBA player worth 5mm and we should not get pick 24. My question to him--if we dont get Lebron--who are the two great max players? He will never answer the question--he just works in the Knicks marketing Dept.

Post count? This factors into any conversation...how?

Players I'd like in free agency? That's a pretty short list and it's everyone's short list. We want the best. What's to list?

If no LBJ what is the plan? Sign a couple of good solid players and leave space for the following season.

Jordan Hill sucks? Damn right he does. This guy was a terrible pick at #8. Toney Douglas deserved 8 and Hill deserved 29...maybe. That's how bad Hill is. Well, wait, there's also his statistics you know, those things we pour over to determine who is good or not. Jordan Hill's Superstar HOF Numbers.

Channing Frye's Rookie Stats
Jackie Butler's first year of big minutes
Michael Sweetney's rookie year

All better than our franchise hall of fame center to be for the next 15 years in Jordan Hill. And two of those guys are long gone. Yet somehow Jordan Hill was the answer to all our prayers and damn Walsh for dumping him! Big men take time to develop! Just ask the Sonics!

I provide statistics and insight into why "Jordan Hill Sucks" but all I hear from Jordan Hill Fanboys (LMFAO that there actually is such a thing) is "Well you don't know that he won't be the best to ever play the game!" Yet then you guys call me out saying otherwise and then whining that we traded him to no end. Dude's a bum. Making 3x more than he should as the bum he is. We dumped his salary - hell - I'd have dropped him for nothing. Let it go already. You guys just sitting in wait praying Hill somehow becomes good so you can "stick it to Cosmic". LMFAO at that.

David Lee? He's a vet minimum player defensively - and then should be fined his entire annual salary. He's a 0 on defense. On offense he's probably a 14M starting year salary player and maybe even the MAX to some desperate team. So in that I call him a 7M a year player. Again, you're off to twist comments of an old and irrelevant topic into something that can somehow support your arguments against me in this new topic. Again, you're incorrect.

Paladin55 wrote:Maybe Walsh, after being overwhelmed with text messages from his draft crew about how good Fredette was before he got "hurt," realized that Jimmer, who wants to play for the Knicks, was not going to last until the 2nd Rnd, and being fearful of the Wrath of Cosmic if he had to purchase Atlanta's 1st Rnd. pick and tie up guaranteed $$, gave him a guarantee for next year, when we will probably be able to pick him up with our (or Houston's) 1st Rnd. pick.

Call me crazy, but I smell a conspiracy.

LOL. There is no wrath if we buy a 1st round pick. I trust Walsh and Mike to right this ship. I'm sitting back and waiting to see what they do. We all know what we want, we know what's realistic, and then there's what actually happens. No real need to comment on it until it does.

As to Fredette....again, we're acting like another late 1st round pick will somehow be the superstar that other teams let get away. We don't know this. Could be JJ Reddick. If you have the cap space you take the chance. If you don't then you don't. And seeing one max FA might be obtained via S&T then this is a moot topic as we have no cap space to make it happen.

And if you do make this happen then know that someone of your young core is going to be sitting or have to be traded. You can't just groom half a dozen kids at once. Can't do it. You can't just turn the reins of a team over to a handful of rookies so you can get them minutes in games. We already have plenty of young players and we have a log jam with them as it is given they're mostly all forwards. So you make this deal with the intent that one will get moved and fast. Be it the new guy or someone like Chandler. Otherwise...you're log jamming and you will inhibit the development of all the players by trying to find minutes for everyone.

Cosmic wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

"The draft in general is quite strong, to be honest with you," said Chad Buchanan, Portland's director of college scouting. "I think there are a couple stars at the top and a lot of very good potential starters and rotation guys down to the early second round. It's a deep draft."

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/66446/20100508/blazers_begin_draft_workouts/#ixzz0nMNKvvfM

What Im trying to say Cosmic and there is a lot of common sense here--if we get a pick and own 2 additional high 2's---there is a good chance we come away with guys who will be able to help right away AND have a great chance to develop into nice players--possibly nice starters. How much compensation would NO require for Darren Collison---how badly would the Knicks want Collison right now? Getting two max FA--well if one is not named Lebron James--there is no guarantee of anything.

How can you guarantee we will be good without LBJ--I really only see 5 max players---bosh AS Dirk Wade and LBJ. Are we going to get two of those guys--well I doubt it.

So, with no picks in 2010, 2012, and even a swap right in 2011, you still want to just go and build a team with late 1st rounders and 2nd round picks - EXPECTING to land a diamond with every single pick?

That's your plan? Load up the roster with Feshenkos, Almonds, Butlers, Fryes, Sweetneys, Chandlers, Douglasses, and expect to build a winner?

I'll take my chances with Mike and Walsh seeing they spent 2 years committed to dumping the trash and starting over this coming summer. Rather than blasting it, pining for Jordan Hill, Crawful, and ZachAss to return to save us, and try to fill up the roster 15 deep with D-League garbage citing "Well, ____ was picked at 24 and he's good!" and "Big men take time to develop" cliches as a defense for the failure that would follow.

Yeah, I think I'll continue to defend our coach and president, while other fans want everyone fired and half the trash we just dumped back on the roster starting for us. I'm tired of 23-33 win seasons. Apparently, some haven't had enough.

No--draft picks are very little money. If we did get pick 24 with picks 38+39--I think thats roughly 2mm spent [not including funds to purchase the 24] but that 2mm spent out of 36mm. I don't discount any avenue of im proving the club--whether that is FA trades D leagues or the draft. EACH have distinct and important value in the long run. Think John Starks and Anthony Mason were essentially D league players and chris childs before that.
For example--of our draft was similar to NO last year where they picked up Thorton and Collison--and with a deep draft--and our positioning--I think we have a chance to have somewhat similar success. That is a LOT of value that NO drafted right there. I wonder if some people would rather have Collison than say Joe Johnson for example. If we get LBJ and resign Lee----there is still a matter of filling out 8 roster spots or so.

Knicks Considered Giving Fredette Guarantee

Jimmer Fredette worked out for the Knicks and Nets, but neither will get a chance to draft him.

Fredette was seen as a potential second-round target for both teams before deciding to withdraw from the draft and return to BYU for his senior season. Fredette declared early, but did not hire an agent.

"I had a great experience going through the whole process," Fredette, who averaged 22 points a game for the Cougars, told the Deseret News. "I met some great people and learned a lot. I was able to impresses a lot of people and I think they will be interested to see how I do this coming season. I hope to play extremely well my senior year and achieve our team goals and my personal goals and get drafted next year."

Jonathan Givony of DraftExpress reported that the Knicks considered giving Fredette a second round guarantee.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/66480/20100510/knicks_considered_giving_fredette_guarantee/#ixzz0nXeGI9pp