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5/6/2010  11:01 AM
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PHOENIX – It was getting late into the evening, and Steve Kerr leaned against a counter in the locker room and took one last gulp from the longneck in his hand. He smiled and nodded, admitting the obvious. Yes, this was the grittiest, the toughest, he had ever seen his Phoenix Suns play. They had won with defense and rebounding, out-Spurring the San Antonio Spurs, and now they controlled their Western Conference semifinal series.

Throwing themselves into the political fray with their “Los Suns” jerseys, the Suns had taken a stand off the court and then made one on it, grinding out a 110-102 victory on a night when their shots weren’t falling. Kerr won’t say it himself, but never has a single victory so validated his rule as the Suns’ general manager. He won two championships playing for the Spurs, and to beat them he knew he’d have to construct a team that could scrap and defend. He’d finally found a coach who shared his vision, and the results of their work were on display Wednesday night: The Suns shot less than 40 percent for the first three quarters, yet won because they penned in Manu Ginobili(notes) and Tony Parker(notes) and took 18 offensive rebounds.

“I think the old Suns team,” Jared Dudley(notes) said, “may have folded.”

The old Suns team did fold. Two years ago, Tim Duncan(notes) threw in a 3-pointer at the buzzer, and the Suns never recovered, eventually losing the game and their first-round series. Mike D’Antoni, whose seven-seconds-or-less offense made Phoenix one of the NBA’s most exciting teams, left the franchise nearly as quickly after the season, bolting for the New York Knicks because he felt he didn’t have enough support from Kerr and the front office.

In truth, all Kerr ever wanted from D’Antoni was a compromise. He asked D’Antoni to hire a defensive-minded assistant or, at the least, set aside time at each practice to work on defense. He wanted D’Antoni to hold his players more accountable. He wanted him to develop a longer bench. D’Antoni didn’t want to hear any of it. He stubbornly clung to the belief that his go-go-go system didn’t need tweaking. Rather than change, he left. From Phoenix to New York, the criticism remains the same: D’Antoni’s teams can’t defend.

Kerr, too, has made his share of mistakes. He admits the Suns “panicked” when they traded for Shaquille O’Neal(notes), a move initially championed by the team’s owner, Robert Sarver, and D’Antoni, but one he also supported. Kerr’s replacement for D’Antoni, Terry Porter, barely lasted half a season. Porter prioritized defense, but with O’Neal weighing down the roster, he also slowed the Suns’ pace, distancing them too much from their success.

“I had a vision for how this should work,” Kerr said. “I just executed it the wrong way.”

All along, Kerr had the right man for the job already on staff. Alvin Gentry had head-coaching jobs in Detroit, Miami and Los Angeles with the Clippers before he joined D’Antoni in Phoenix. He had also worked for Larry Brown and with Gregg Popovich, and he combined the best of both his worlds when he took over for Porter. He returned the Suns to D’Antoni’s up-tempo style, but he also demanded they defend.

“He knows this team better than I do,” Kerr said of Gentry. “He knew what we needed, too. He shared that vision.”

Gentry pushed the Suns in training camp and before long Amar’e Stoudemire(notes) was stepping up to take charges. Asked why he had waited eight seasons into his career to become a more dedicated defender, Stoudemire gave a simple answer: No one had ever taught him.

D’Antoni had a warm, engaging personality, but he never liked confrontation, and this weakened the Suns both in the locker room and on the court. After Phoenix lost to the Spurs in the 2008 playoffs, nearly every player – and this included Steve Nash(notes) – privately expressed the same concern: The Suns needed more discipline. Gentry has provided the tough love, holding even his stars accountable.

“Before Alvin we didn’t really work on [defense],” Grant Hill(notes) said. “This summer Alvin said, ‘I don’t accept the fact that we can’t be a good defensive team.’

“Alvin has that kind of personality when he can be in the meetings watching film and he can call out Steve, he can call out Amar’e. A lot of coaches are scared to do that with their star players. He can do that. He can call out anybody.”

D’Antoni didn’t have the same level of personnel the Suns now have, but he also never worked to develop his bench the way Gentry has. Phoenix’s two most important contributors in Game 2 were both reserves: Dudley and Channing Frye(notes). When the Suns couldn’t hit a shot, Dudley outfought the Spurs for rebounds to extend possessions. Frye made five 3-pointers, all of them timely, while drawing Duncan out to the perimeter and away from the basket.

“I can’t remember really being a part of a team that’s had so many guys step up and play well,” Nash said.

Frye has proved to be one of last summer’s best bargain signings while last season’s trade for Dudley continues to pay off. Kerr shipped Boris Diaw(notes) and Raja Bell(notes) to the Charlotte Bobcats for Jason Richardson(notes) and Dudley, a deal that had many of the Suns’ rivals smirking at the time. How did the Suns expect to improve defensively by exchanging the rugged Bell for Richardson, a chucker who did his best work under Golden State’s Don Nelson? Dudley, however, has helped Phoenix do just that, developing into a defender versatile enough to guard Parker down the stretch.

Hill also has reinvented himself, albeit at age 37. He has become the Suns’ most dependable perimeter defender, routinely assigned the task of taking on the opponent’s most dangerous scorer. In Game 2, he helped limit Manu Ginobili to just two baskets. Like Dudley with Parker, Hill teamed with the Suns’ mobile big men to disrupt the Spurs’ pick-and-rolls, cutting off Ginobili’s angles to the basket. The defensive adjustments have left even the Spurs’ staff impressed.

“I think we’ve evolved into a team with more depth and more ways to win games,” Hill said. “Before, we sort of had to win pretty.”

Not now. The Suns scrapped and pushed and stood tall under the pressure. Had they lost, they also knew they would have felt heat from the firestorm they started a day earlier. In a Cinco de Mayo tribute to the city’s Latino community and a symbolic protest of Arizona’s controversial immigration-enforcement bill, the players wore their “Los Suns” jerseys. Sarver, Kerr and Nash all denounced the bill, and while the Suns have received national praise for the move, they’ve also been, in the words of one staffer, “absolutely crushed” at home. Polls suggest nearly 70 percent of residents support the bill, spurring angry callers to jam the Suns’ switchboard all day. Kerr admitted the team will lose some level of season-ticket holders.

The Suns hope a little winning can heal some of the wounds. Not since 2000 has Phoenix won consecutive playoff games against the Spurs – and Duncan didn’t play in that series. Two more wins and the Suns are back in the conference finals for the first time since 2006. The season’s success figures to earn both Kerr and Gentry contract extensions.

Kerr isn’t ready to celebrate. Not with the next two games in San Antonio. The Spurs have been through enough of these battles to believe they can still win. Two years ago they won a second-round series against the New Orleans Hornets after trailing 2-0.

“We have a long way to go,” Kerr said.

He smiled. His team had gutted out a win like few in recent history, and deep down Kerr knew the other truth: This night showed just how far these Suns have already come.

that's a lot of talk for a team being up 2-0 at home. let's see them actually hold off tim duncan and crew for the entire 7-game series. they lose the series and gentry's suddenly not a superstar and mda suddenly looks vindicated.

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5/6/2010  11:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/6/2010  11:40 AM
I think that the suns are right I think MDA didn't feel they needed to focus on defense when he was in phx because they were too busy winning 60+ games a year but in the playoffs your weaknesses are made apparent so kerr saw a solution which was adding a defensive assistant but dantoni wasn't willing to admit his system needed adjusting at that point so he left. However, I believe after his first season in NYC, his first season without the scoring punch of Nash, amare, etc.., he realized it would be near impossible to go on with the same approach he took on planet orange and win here in new York so during training camp last season he made defense a focus and started to desire defensive accountability. The change was noticeable to me after plays when he would call timeouts and not say we need to run or we need to score, no I heard time and time again, "let's get stops!" then you saw jj drawing charges and gallo and will blocking shots and td ripping whoever they put on him but they're were basicly the only ones who really believed in MDA's new desire to defend everyone else just continued to be below avergae defends this was not a team but a group of ending contracts looking to audition their offensive talents to opposing teams' management and it was clearly evident. Now those contracts have left the garden hopefully never to wear white within it's walls again and we all anxiously look forward to new faces and new names on the back of those white jerseys but more then that we look forward to an organization that cares that will produce if nothing else pride, intensity, and heart. That's something we as knick fans haven't had for ten long years. The absence of heart in a city that would give anything for a player who cares that's why gallo gets a standing ovation after battling melo not just because he put on a show but because that was a statement about the future that was a representation of things to come. Danilo gallinari is the first knick drafted under walsh and MDA but more importantly he's the first knick to show what knick fans have wanted to see for so long he showed intensity, committment to progress, confidence, and toughness but the most obvious of all the qualities that young italian possessed was heart.
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5/8/2010  12:08 AM
the suns are 10 deep and the development of Dragic in particular is 100% Alvin Gentry. I don't think that repudiates MDA. But they have definitely refdined his system.
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5/8/2010  12:26 AM
Dragic went off tonight and alot of credit was given to Gentry and how he developed him.
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5/8/2010  12:54 AM
rubyz2 wrote:the suns are 10 deep and the development of Dragic in particular is 100% Alvin Gentry. I don't think that repudiates MDA. But they have definitely refdined his system.

MDA never was able to find a backup PG like Dragic. He did try to develop guys, but people keep trying to say he didn't. He tried to bring in a more defensive sub with Marcus Banks. He developed a young team full of guys and gave them an identity and style that they still play now. He developed Diaw and Bell and even Barbosa. All the shooting Amare does he couldn't do when he 1st came in and perhaps he might never have developed that game if not for MDA. He may have tried to be a back to the basket PF and really he's not a guy that overpowers guys in the low box like Howard or the old Rasheed. He won a ton with different lineups and I can't wait to see how he does here with a revamped roster. Kudos to MDA's 1st successful disciple. Not many coaches can say they have former proteges that are championing his system in the league.

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5/8/2010  1:09 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/8/2010  1:11 AM
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rubyz2 wrote:the suns are 10 deep and the development of Dragic in particular is 100% Alvin Gentry. I don't think that repudiates MDA. But they have definitely refdined his system.

MDA never was able to find a backup PG like Dragic. He did try to develop guys, but people keep trying to say he didn't. He tried to bring in a more defensive sub with Marcus Banks. He developed a young team full of guys and gave them an identity and style that they still play now. He developed Diaw and Bell and even Barbosa. All the shooting Amare does he couldn't do when he 1st came in and perhaps he might never have developed that game if not for MDA. He may have tried to be a back to the basket PF and really he's not a guy that overpowers guys in the low box like Howard or the old Rasheed. He won a ton with different lineups and I can't wait to see how he does here with a revamped roster. Kudos to MDA's 1st successful disciple. Not many coaches can say they have former proteges that are championing his system in the league.


That would be true if he were a protege of D'AnToni but he isn't. What are you basing this off of, it sounds like because of your incessant need to defend and be a company man fan you're aligning yourself on the side of wrong.

Dragic was drafted in 2008 in June by the Spurs acquired by the Suns on a draft day trade.

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5/8/2010  8:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/8/2010  9:08 AM
MDA last roster while with the Suns
Marcus Banks
Leandro Barbosa
Raja Bell
Boris Diaw
Gordan Giricek
Grant Hill
Linton Johnson
Shawn Marion
Sean Marks
Steve Nash
Shaquille O'Neal
Eric Piatkowski
Brian Skinner
Amare Stoudemire
D.J. Strawberry
Alando Tucker

Suns current roster
Louis Amundson
Leandro Barbosa
Earl Clark
Jarron Collins
Goran Dragic
Jared Dudley
Channing Frye
Taylor Griffin
Grant Hill
Dwayne Jones
Robin Lopez
Steve Nash
Jason Richardson
Amare Stoudemire

Two different rosters...So why in the hell should MDA get credit for anything they accomplish now? **** makes no sense

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5/8/2010  9:07 AM
...and I love how people keep saying that Nash became a "star" under MDA.

Look at the stats. Nash was All-NBA has a Maverick while playing third fiddle behind Dirk and Finley. As a Sun, he was made the focal point of the ofense because that team sucked, something he didnt have to be in Dallas.

Add that stupid "7 second shoot" offense that some of you call a "coaching style" and of course it would SEEM like he improved under MDA.

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5/8/2010  10:19 AM
I agree it is two different rosters and I believe this years version is better than its ever been. Nash and Stoudemire are the main stays, but J Rich, a near-allstar is far better than anything the Suns ever had at the 2 under MDA. Frye, being a big man who can open up the floor even more, adds a new dimension. Dudley and Amundson add a toughness they haven't had since an older Kurt Thomas was there.

Gentry should get all the credit for winning ball games for this team as MDA should get the credit he deserved for winning with his version of the team. But make no mistakes about it, this Spurs team is not nearly as good as previous Spurs teams.

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5/8/2010  11:11 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Dragic went off tonight and alot of credit was given to Gentry and how he developed him.

What is the point of this post? What are you saying here?

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5/8/2010  12:30 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:...and I love how people keep saying that Nash became a "star" under MDA.

Look at the stats. Nash was All-NBA has a Maverick while playing third fiddle behind Dirk and Finley. As a Sun, he was made the focal point of the ofense because that team sucked, something he didnt have to be in Dallas.

Add that stupid "7 second shoot" offense that some of you call a "coaching style" and of course it would SEEM like he improved under MDA.

he became an MVP under MDA. He went from an all star to a 2 time MVP. That = best player in league, or without argument a top 3 player.

That team runs MDAs offense. Gentry is an MDA disciple. MDA gets no credit for that current team's success. The guys that are there now get ALL the credit.

It does answer some of the questions about that style of play, conventional center, etc.

Guys here can get their heads around a Bosh/Lee frontcourt combo, but an line up Frye playing center who does nothing but shoot 3s is running the Spurs out of the gym and destroyed them on the boards the other night.

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5/8/2010  2:05 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:Dragic went off tonight and alot of credit was given to Gentry and how he developed him.

What is the point of this post? What are you saying here?

Gentry took the time to develop a second round pick. He didn't stick to a rotation with grizzled vets and the Suns were competing for something. That is something that a coach does. Imagine having a coach in place who develops guys and teaches them how to play rather than a coach who is waiting to get the kind of guys that can play his system.
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5/8/2010  3:10 PM
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djsunyc wrote:
PHOENIX – It was getting late into the evening, and Steve Kerr leaned against a counter in the locker room and took one last gulp from the longneck in his hand. He smiled and nodded, admitting the obvious. Yes, this was the grittiest, the toughest, he had ever seen his Phoenix Suns play. They had won with defense and rebounding, out-Spurring the San Antonio Spurs, and now they controlled their Western Conference semifinal series.

Throwing themselves into the political fray with their “Los Suns” jerseys, the Suns had taken a stand off the court and then made one on it, grinding out a 110-102 victory on a night when their shots weren’t falling. Kerr won’t say it himself, but never has a single victory so validated his rule as the Suns’ general manager. He won two championships playing for the Spurs, and to beat them he knew he’d have to construct a team that could scrap and defend. He’d finally found a coach who shared his vision, and the results of their work were on display Wednesday night: The Suns shot less than 40 percent for the first three quarters, yet won because they penned in Manu Ginobili(notes) and Tony Parker(notes) and took 18 offensive rebounds.

“I think the old Suns team,” Jared Dudley(notes) said, “may have folded.”

The old Suns team did fold. Two years ago, Tim Duncan(notes) threw in a 3-pointer at the buzzer, and the Suns never recovered, eventually losing the game and their first-round series. Mike D’Antoni, whose seven-seconds-or-less offense made Phoenix one of the NBA’s most exciting teams, left the franchise nearly as quickly after the season, bolting for the New York Knicks because he felt he didn’t have enough support from Kerr and the front office.

In truth, all Kerr ever wanted from D’Antoni was a compromise. He asked D’Antoni to hire a defensive-minded assistant or, at the least, set aside time at each practice to work on defense. He wanted D’Antoni to hold his players more accountable. He wanted him to develop a longer bench. D’Antoni didn’t want to hear any of it. He stubbornly clung to the belief that his go-go-go system didn’t need tweaking. Rather than change, he left. From Phoenix to New York, the criticism remains the same: D’Antoni’s teams can’t defend.

Kerr, too, has made his share of mistakes. He admits the Suns “panicked” when they traded for Shaquille O’Neal(notes), a move initially championed by the team’s owner, Robert Sarver, and D’Antoni, but one he also supported. Kerr’s replacement for D’Antoni, Terry Porter, barely lasted half a season. Porter prioritized defense, but with O’Neal weighing down the roster, he also slowed the Suns’ pace, distancing them too much from their success.

“I had a vision for how this should work,” Kerr said. “I just executed it the wrong way.”

All along, Kerr had the right man for the job already on staff. Alvin Gentry had head-coaching jobs in Detroit, Miami and Los Angeles with the Clippers before he joined D’Antoni in Phoenix. He had also worked for Larry Brown and with Gregg Popovich, and he combined the best of both his worlds when he took over for Porter. He returned the Suns to D’Antoni’s up-tempo style, but he also demanded they defend.

“He knows this team better than I do,” Kerr said of Gentry. “He knew what we needed, too. He shared that vision.”

Gentry pushed the Suns in training camp and before long Amar’e Stoudemire(notes) was stepping up to take charges. Asked why he had waited eight seasons into his career to become a more dedicated defender, Stoudemire gave a simple answer: No one had ever taught him.

D’Antoni had a warm, engaging personality, but he never liked confrontation, and this weakened the Suns both in the locker room and on the court. After Phoenix lost to the Spurs in the 2008 playoffs, nearly every player – and this included Steve Nash(notes) – privately expressed the same concern: The Suns needed more discipline. Gentry has provided the tough love, holding even his stars accountable.

“Before Alvin we didn’t really work on [defense],” Grant Hill(notes) said. “This summer Alvin said, ‘I don’t accept the fact that we can’t be a good defensive team.’

“Alvin has that kind of personality when he can be in the meetings watching film and he can call out Steve, he can call out Amar’e. A lot of coaches are scared to do that with their star players. He can do that. He can call out anybody.”

D’Antoni didn’t have the same level of personnel the Suns now have, but he also never worked to develop his bench the way Gentry has. Phoenix’s two most important contributors in Game 2 were both reserves: Dudley and Channing Frye(notes). When the Suns couldn’t hit a shot, Dudley outfought the Spurs for rebounds to extend possessions. Frye made five 3-pointers, all of them timely, while drawing Duncan out to the perimeter and away from the basket.

“I can’t remember really being a part of a team that’s had so many guys step up and play well,” Nash said.

Frye has proved to be one of last summer’s best bargain signings while last season’s trade for Dudley continues to pay off. Kerr shipped Boris Diaw(notes) and Raja Bell(notes) to the Charlotte Bobcats for Jason Richardson(notes) and Dudley, a deal that had many of the Suns’ rivals smirking at the time. How did the Suns expect to improve defensively by exchanging the rugged Bell for Richardson, a chucker who did his best work under Golden State’s Don Nelson? Dudley, however, has helped Phoenix do just that, developing into a defender versatile enough to guard Parker down the stretch.

Hill also has reinvented himself, albeit at age 37. He has become the Suns’ most dependable perimeter defender, routinely assigned the task of taking on the opponent’s most dangerous scorer. In Game 2, he helped limit Manu Ginobili to just two baskets. Like Dudley with Parker, Hill teamed with the Suns’ mobile big men to disrupt the Spurs’ pick-and-rolls, cutting off Ginobili’s angles to the basket. The defensive adjustments have left even the Spurs’ staff impressed.

“I think we’ve evolved into a team with more depth and more ways to win games,” Hill said. “Before, we sort of had to win pretty.”

Not now. The Suns scrapped and pushed and stood tall under the pressure. Had they lost, they also knew they would have felt heat from the firestorm they started a day earlier. In a Cinco de Mayo tribute to the city’s Latino community and a symbolic protest of Arizona’s controversial immigration-enforcement bill, the players wore their “Los Suns” jerseys. Sarver, Kerr and Nash all denounced the bill, and while the Suns have received national praise for the move, they’ve also been, in the words of one staffer, “absolutely crushed” at home. Polls suggest nearly 70 percent of residents support the bill, spurring angry callers to jam the Suns’ switchboard all day. Kerr admitted the team will lose some level of season-ticket holders.

The Suns hope a little winning can heal some of the wounds. Not since 2000 has Phoenix won consecutive playoff games against the Spurs – and Duncan didn’t play in that series. Two more wins and the Suns are back in the conference finals for the first time since 2006. The season’s success figures to earn both Kerr and Gentry contract extensions.

Kerr isn’t ready to celebrate. Not with the next two games in San Antonio. The Spurs have been through enough of these battles to believe they can still win. Two years ago they won a second-round series against the New Orleans Hornets after trailing 2-0.

“We have a long way to go,” Kerr said.

He smiled. His team had gutted out a win like few in recent history, and deep down Kerr knew the other truth: This night showed just how far these Suns have already come.

that's a lot of talk for a team being up 2-0 at home. let's see them actually hold off tim duncan and crew for the entire 7-game series. they lose the series and gentry's suddenly not a superstar and mda suddenly looks vindicated.

They are a step closer to doing just that. That was phenomenal game by a soft white foreign born player -- again.

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5/8/2010  3:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/8/2010  3:55 PM
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Swishfm3 wrote:...and I love how people keep saying that Nash became a "star" under MDA.

Look at the stats. Nash was All-NBA has a Maverick while playing third fiddle behind Dirk and Finley. As a Sun, he was made the focal point of the ofense because that team sucked, something he didnt have to be in Dallas.

Add that stupid "7 second shoot" offense that some of you call a "coaching style" and of course it would SEEM like he improved under MDA.

he became an MVP under MDA. He went from an all star to a 2 time MVP. That = best player in league, or without argument a top 3 player.

That team runs MDAs offense. Gentry is an MDA disciple. MDA gets no credit for that current team's success. The guys that are there now get ALL the credit.

It does answer some of the questions about that style of play, conventional center, etc.

Guys here can get their heads around a Bosh/Lee frontcourt combo, but an line up Frye playing center who does nothing but shoot 3s is running the Spurs out of the gym and destroyed them on the boards the other night.


So Avery Johnson would be considered an upper echelon coach right? He turned Dirk into an MVP and got him to the Finals. We didn't really give consideration to hiring him at all and he accomplished his success as a coach in a shorter span of time than D'AnToni.

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5/8/2010  5:03 PM
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fishmike wrote:wrong. Gentry came in and installed DAntoni's offense. He point blank said after Porter (defense comes first) got fired he went to playing the style that Mike played when he was here and they started winning immediatly.

This is like saying Jeff Van Gundy was just as good a coach as Pat Riley. After all he accomplished just as much if not more than Pat did with the Knicks right? OR did he take over a team Pat build and just follow the model?

Anyone that think DAntoni didnt do a great job coaching in Pho is lost. When Porter got canned Gentry played MDA ball and now they are up 1-0 on the Spurs. MDA won a coach of the year award when Amare went down and Boris Diaw was the starting center. Whether you like his style or not the guy can coach. Like every coach in the NBA he needs talent. There is a reason Phil Jackson didnt take what would have been the highest paid coaching job in the NBA ever. Because he knew the mojo zen mastering triangle offense might as well have been Eddie Jordan's princeton offense with the talent the Knicks had.

Larry Brown, Lenny Wilkins, Isiah Thomas, Mike Dantoni.. all had some coaching success until they came here. To bad Phil Jackson didnt come, it would have been nice to add him to that list.

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Phil Jackson was lucky. All he had during his coaching career is 4 of the greatest players to play the game. Jordon,Pippen, Kobe, O'neal, He had the tools to begin with. Let's see him coach the Knicks or a loosing team like the Clippers. If he can win a championship with one of those teams he will be one of the greatest coaches ever.

If somebody is an idiot ar greedy enough to take on coaching junk it's his personal problem.
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5/8/2010  7:46 PM
I'm still waiting for someone to explain how MDA can't get some cred for the team he took to the WCF's with no Amare or Johnson but Diaw, Bell n KT instead! He developed guys in one season that had never done anything up to that point. He also got robbed in that Spurs series with the hack job on Nash and suspensions. In addition Amare had his Microfracture knee surgery and rehab right smack in the middle of MDA's run.

It's all easy to bash him now but he did a lot of good out there and gave that team an identity and basic blueprint. I'll take my chances with a few ECF's right about now.

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5/8/2010  8:37 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:Dragic went off tonight and alot of credit was given to Gentry and how he developed him.

What is the point of this post? What are you saying here?

Gentry took the time to develop a second round pick. He didn't stick to a rotation with grizzled vets and the Suns were competing for something. That is something that a coach does. Imagine having a coach in place who develops guys and teaches them how to play rather than a coach who is waiting to get the kind of guys that can play his system.

So MDA gets no credit for developing Diaw who was rotting on the bench in Atlanta and was merely a throw-in in a trade? He gets no credit for Raja Bell, Barbosa and QRich who all had career years under MDA?

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5/8/2010  9:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/8/2010  9:18 PM
Uptown wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Uptown wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Dragic went off tonight and alot of credit was given to Gentry and how he developed him.

What is the point of this post? What are you saying here?

Gentry took the time to develop a second round pick. He didn't stick to a rotation with grizzled vets and the Suns were competing for something. That is something that a coach does. Imagine having a coach in place who develops guys and teaches them how to play rather than a coach who is waiting to get the kind of guys that can play his system.

So MDA gets no credit for developing Diaw who was rotting on the bench in Atlanta and was merely a throw-in in a trade? He gets no credit for Raja Bell, Barbosa and QRich who all had career years under MDA?


Raja Bell was already established in Utah Sloan gets the real credit for developing him, otherwise Phx doesn't offer him an MLE contract when he became a Free Agent. Q-Rich had a better overall season with the Clippers before becoming a Sun otherwise they wouldn't have offered him a full MLE deal. Diaw was under utilized in Atl but it's not like he fell off when going to Charlotte and you could argue LB developed him better his first season there.

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5/8/2010  9:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/8/2010  9:42 PM
Have you guys noticed that the announcers have been saying some slick shyt about D'Antoni on the low?

"...newfound love and sudden understanding of defense."

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5/8/2010  10:41 PM
sebstar wrote:Have you guys noticed that the announcers have been saying some slick shyt about D'Antoni on the low?

"...newfound love and sudden understanding of defense."

I have noticed that. Analysts talking about the playoffs are also doing the same sort of thing.
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