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Maybe we can send Raptors some future considerations, plus Wes Chandler and Mike D'Antoni for Bosh
in a sign and trade

I think Raptors would love to get an experienced coach as MDA

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5/1/2010  9:39 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:This is what happens if we don't get anyone this summer, which would ensure us sucking for another 10 years:

I stop being a diehard fan. I know everyone says it and it's had to do but there is only so much losing one can take. Cubs fans can take it because losing is just accepted there since 1908. I can't accept it.

Once I stop watching every Knicks game and following their news online (and stressing myself out), I buy league pass and follow the rest of the NBA so I can enjoy basketball again. The Knicks have ruined my love for basketball. I want to reconnect with the game. I miss it.

Finally, I wait till I eventually get rich and really blow away James Dolan with an offer for MSG. I buy MSG and the Knicks and I return them to prominence. A championship comes back to NY after 60 years. We have an emotional parade down the Canyon of Heroes and cherish the moment for a lifetime.

The end.

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5/3/2010  10:36 AM
No beating around the Bosh
By RICHARD JUSTICE
Copyright 2010 Houston Chronicle
May 1, 2010, 11:36PM

Everything the Rockets hope to accomplish this off-season begins with the acquisition of Chris Bosh.

Chris Bosh will open his front door at 12:01 a.m. July 1 and see a smiling Daryl Morey standing between Hakeem Olajuwon and Yao Ming.

How's that for a first impression?

Morey will have a bag of other goodies, including a video showing off Houston and a testimonial from Rockets season-ticket holder Andre Johnson urging Bosh to join him in Clutch City.

There will be hundreds of Facebook and Twitter posts from fans, a Rockets jersey with Bosh's name on it and — I almost forgot this teensy-weensy part of the presentation — a contract worth $120 million.

At least, this is how it might go. The Rockets haven't decided who will accompany Morey to the presentation, but they have spent the last few weeks discussing how best to persuade him.

Here's guessing Rockets owner Leslie Alexander appeals to Dream and Yao to be part of the recruiting process and that they both agree.

At the heart of the issue is, first, persuading Bosh to play for the Rockets. If they're able to do that, everything else almost certainly will fall into place. That's why the Rockets are spending so much time and energy coming up with the right recruiting pitch.

What could be better than having this city's greatest professional athlete standing with one of the NBA players every other NBA player would love to play with?

Yao represents what the Rockets want to be about. He's a great teammate, a great person, someone who personifies everything Alexander believes his franchise should be about.

The Rockets are convinced Yao will resume his career next season. They're not sure how many minutes he'll play or what level he'll be at in the beginning.

The sales pitch

But they're confident his surgically repaired foot will hold up, and when Bosh stands there and looks up at Yao on July 1, he just might think playing with someone capable of sharing the load is a good idea.

And when Yao isn't on the floor, the Rockets want Bosh to know they're going to play fast, have fun and win.

They'll let him know there's no better coach to play for than Rick Adelman, and hope that when Bosh begins measuring other NBA franchises against the Rockets, he'll find there's no better owner than Alexander and no better general manager than Morey.

If Bosh wants a place where he can live comfortably, raise a family and call home, and if he wants a franchise that attempts to do everything right, he might just shake Yao's hand that night and say, “See you at training camp.”

He'll have options. The Bulls, Knicks, Nets and Heat probably will make offers. The Mavericks and Lakers might be in the mix as well.

What might separate the Rockets from those other teams is that Bosh is their first choice. Everything they hope to accomplish this offseason begins with the acquisition of Bosh.

There's no, “If LeBron says no, we'll be in touch,” or “Let us get back to you after we hear from Dwyane Wade.”

The Rockets believe putting Bosh beside Yao would give them the corner-stone of a team capable of winning a championship. And if the worst happened, and if Yao was injured again, the 6-10 Bosh would give them the low-post presence they don't have.
A rare breed

He's 26 years old and has averaged 20 points and 9.4 rebounds for his seven-year career. He's coming off a season in which he averaged 24 points and 10.8 rebounds.

(Zach Randolph and David Lee were the only other 20-and-10 NBA players this season. Yao has averaged 19.7 and 9.9 for his career.)

The Knicks and Nets are believed to be targeting LeBron James and perhaps Wade. If James re-signs with the Cavaliers before July 1, the New York teams will be focused on Bosh.

The Bulls are believed to be targeting Wade. The Heat could be mapping out a plan to have both Wade and James. Only one team is likely to have Bosh atop their list.

The Rockets can offer something else: The chance to win quickly. As attractive as New York might be, the Knicks and Nets have miles to go. The Bulls and Heat were playoff teams, but Bosh won't be their top priority.

The Rockets would have to surrender a package of draft choices and players to get him, but Morey has shown he can build a roster quickly and without mega-resources.

Bosh and Yao represent a foundation to build around. The Bulls and Heat do have the salary-cap space to sign Bosh. However, he'd have to take $30 million less to sign with any team except Toronto.

That's why Morey spent the past year acquiring talented younger players and an additional first-round draft pick. From the moment he learned he wouldn't have Yao last season, Morey began preparing for this summer's pitch to Bosh — and to the Raptors.

Ducks in a row

Nine of the NBA's last 11 max-contract free agents switched teams through sign-and-trade deals. So while Morey's first priority will be persuading Bosh to play for the Rockets, his other will be making a deal with Raptors general manager Bryan Colangelo.

There seems little doubt around the NBA that financial issues will force the Raptors to trade Bosh.

If Bosh tells the Raptors he wants to play for the Rockets, the Raptors will make it happen. First, though, he has to decide, and that's why spending these next few weeks preparing for that first handshake is important.

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5/3/2010  10:38 AM
potential packages:

Jeffries' expiring - $6,883,400
Jordan Hill - $2,669,520
Trevor Ariza - $6,322,320
Houston's pick this year (whoever that is) - $1,371,200
Knicks's pick in 2012
Houston's right to swap picks with the Knicks in 2011

Chuck Hayes
Jordan Hill
Jared Jeffries
Chase Budinger
Houston pick 2011 with right to swap with Knicks
Better of Houston's two 2012 picks (Houston or NYK)
Choice of Houston's 2010 selection or its 2013 pick (protected)
Rights to Sergio Llull
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5/3/2010  10:43 AM
djsunyc wrote:potential packages:

Jeffries' expiring - $6,883,400
Jordan Hill - $2,669,520
Trevor Ariza - $6,322,320
Houston's pick this year (whoever that is) - $1,371,200
Knicks's pick in 2012
Houston's right to swap picks with the Knicks in 2011

Chuck Hayes
Jordan Hill
Jared Jeffries
Chase Budinger
Houston pick 2011 with right to swap with Knicks
Better of Houston's two 2012 picks (Houston or NYK)
Choice of Houston's 2010 selection or its 2013 pick (protected)
Rights to Sergio Llull

we got flexibility fool. don't you ever listen to nixluva??

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5/3/2010  10:47 AM
This line is confusing:

Houston's right to swap picks with the Knicks in 2011

It should probably read: Either Houston's or NY's pick in 2011, based on if the pick is swapped.

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5/3/2010  2:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/3/2010  2:47 PM
Papabear wrote:
Cosmic wrote:Nothing but rumors and speculation. Prepare for more and more of it. A day ago Bosh for Bynum was a "done deal". <---- lol at that, that's called tampering, folks, it's also called another BS rumor. STOP READING RUMORS PASSED OFF AS FACT AND REACTING TO IT.

However if the Bosh to Houston trade did happen the following is still fact:

*Hill is a terrible basketball player.
*Hill would not be the key to a Bosh trade and if he was than Toronto hasn't been paying attention to how terrible of a player Hill really is.

I do know this if it happens there will be fans claiming that Hill is a franchise center that we could have used in trade to get Bosh or LeBron or Wade. Because over reacting to something that's untrue seems to be just waiting to happen around here this summer. In fact several fans, judging by the threads on this forum recently, haven't even waited to see what happens this summer, according to them the summer is already over, we got no one, and the world has come to an end.

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Cosmic what makes you the know it all about Hill career. One thing for sure if Toronto gets Hill he will play his heart out for them and if he goes to the next level he will stick with that team. You do not know Hill you do not know whats in his heart because he never had a chance in New York. You should be rooting for the kid. What did he do to you or New York? I hope the kid makes it to be a superstar.

Let me see. He sucks? His stats are atrocious? He's a bum? He's lazy, stupid, disinterested, out of shape, and admits all of that with a smile? He fell out of favor in Houston already?

Yeah...maybe that's it.

Let me ask you a question if I can?

What makes you think Jordan Hill is going to be anything more than the trash he is? What do you see in him? I've asked this before of other posters who want to have his children and have gotten no response. What is so amazing about Jordan Hill that screams franchise player? That screams we will regret using him as a throw in to rid our team of Jared Jeffries? What is it?

I really want to know. (seriously, all stupidity aside, I really do). What is it?

All I see is a bum.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he gets it one day and is pretty good. I doubt it but maybe it happens. If it does then whatever I was wrong. But from what I've seen the guy is TRASH and destined to be hanging out with Butler and Sweetney. Two pieces of trash who incidentally did FAR MORE as "rookies" than Hill could ever dreams. Double Hill's stats and he's still a bum compared to Sweetney and Butler.

So what gives?

Please give me an answer to the question: What is so special about Jordan Hill? What have I missed?

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5/3/2010  2:51 PM
Are you a Knick fan anymore or do you just post Bosh to anywhere but NY posts anymore? You've already admitted you can't and don't watch games anymore and are no longer a Knick fan but is just a Raptor fan.

I'm saying this because you've gone from Live from Section 404 posts which I enjoyed to literally a flat out Raptor troll ribbing Knick fans on the whole 2010 FA thing regarding Bosh.

What gives? Your posts seek a rise out of Knick fans. You have done nothing but post gloom and doom regarding the possibility that the Knicks grab Bosh over the summer.

If you're no longer a Knick fan why do this? Have you become part of the Bluest/Optimus troll team? Sure seems so.


No big deal and no hard feelings but just sayin'.

Your posts suck lol.


djsunyc wrote:
No beating around the Bosh
By RICHARD JUSTICE
Copyright 2010 Houston Chronicle
May 1, 2010, 11:36PM

Everything the Rockets hope to accomplish this off-season begins with the acquisition of Chris Bosh.

Chris Bosh will open his front door at 12:01 a.m. July 1 and see a smiling Daryl Morey standing between Hakeem Olajuwon and Yao Ming.

How's that for a first impression?

Morey will have a bag of other goodies, including a video showing off Houston and a testimonial from Rockets season-ticket holder Andre Johnson urging Bosh to join him in Clutch City.

There will be hundreds of Facebook and Twitter posts from fans, a Rockets jersey with Bosh's name on it and — I almost forgot this teensy-weensy part of the presentation — a contract worth $120 million.

At least, this is how it might go. The Rockets haven't decided who will accompany Morey to the presentation, but they have spent the last few weeks discussing how best to persuade him.

Here's guessing Rockets owner Leslie Alexander appeals to Dream and Yao to be part of the recruiting process and that they both agree.

At the heart of the issue is, first, persuading Bosh to play for the Rockets. If they're able to do that, everything else almost certainly will fall into place. That's why the Rockets are spending so much time and energy coming up with the right recruiting pitch.

What could be better than having this city's greatest professional athlete standing with one of the NBA players every other NBA player would love to play with?

Yao represents what the Rockets want to be about. He's a great teammate, a great person, someone who personifies everything Alexander believes his franchise should be about.

The Rockets are convinced Yao will resume his career next season. They're not sure how many minutes he'll play or what level he'll be at in the beginning.

The sales pitch

But they're confident his surgically repaired foot will hold up, and when Bosh stands there and looks up at Yao on July 1, he just might think playing with someone capable of sharing the load is a good idea.

And when Yao isn't on the floor, the Rockets want Bosh to know they're going to play fast, have fun and win.

They'll let him know there's no better coach to play for than Rick Adelman, and hope that when Bosh begins measuring other NBA franchises against the Rockets, he'll find there's no better owner than Alexander and no better general manager than Morey.

If Bosh wants a place where he can live comfortably, raise a family and call home, and if he wants a franchise that attempts to do everything right, he might just shake Yao's hand that night and say, “See you at training camp.”

He'll have options. The Bulls, Knicks, Nets and Heat probably will make offers. The Mavericks and Lakers might be in the mix as well.

What might separate the Rockets from those other teams is that Bosh is their first choice. Everything they hope to accomplish this offseason begins with the acquisition of Bosh.

There's no, “If LeBron says no, we'll be in touch,” or “Let us get back to you after we hear from Dwyane Wade.”

The Rockets believe putting Bosh beside Yao would give them the corner-stone of a team capable of winning a championship. And if the worst happened, and if Yao was injured again, the 6-10 Bosh would give them the low-post presence they don't have.
A rare breed

He's 26 years old and has averaged 20 points and 9.4 rebounds for his seven-year career. He's coming off a season in which he averaged 24 points and 10.8 rebounds.

(Zach Randolph and David Lee were the only other 20-and-10 NBA players this season. Yao has averaged 19.7 and 9.9 for his career.)

The Knicks and Nets are believed to be targeting LeBron James and perhaps Wade. If James re-signs with the Cavaliers before July 1, the New York teams will be focused on Bosh.

The Bulls are believed to be targeting Wade. The Heat could be mapping out a plan to have both Wade and James. Only one team is likely to have Bosh atop their list.

The Rockets can offer something else: The chance to win quickly. As attractive as New York might be, the Knicks and Nets have miles to go. The Bulls and Heat were playoff teams, but Bosh won't be their top priority.

The Rockets would have to surrender a package of draft choices and players to get him, but Morey has shown he can build a roster quickly and without mega-resources.

Bosh and Yao represent a foundation to build around. The Bulls and Heat do have the salary-cap space to sign Bosh. However, he'd have to take $30 million less to sign with any team except Toronto.

That's why Morey spent the past year acquiring talented younger players and an additional first-round draft pick. From the moment he learned he wouldn't have Yao last season, Morey began preparing for this summer's pitch to Bosh — and to the Raptors.

Ducks in a row

Nine of the NBA's last 11 max-contract free agents switched teams through sign-and-trade deals. So while Morey's first priority will be persuading Bosh to play for the Rockets, his other will be making a deal with Raptors general manager Bryan Colangelo.

There seems little doubt around the NBA that financial issues will force the Raptors to trade Bosh.

If Bosh tells the Raptors he wants to play for the Rockets, the Raptors will make it happen. First, though, he has to decide, and that's why spending these next few weeks preparing for that first handshake is important.

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5/3/2010  3:10 PM
All of the other teams will do their best to convince Bosh and other FA's to come their way and we'll get our chance to do the same. There are some really good situations out there for players to consider. Not getting Bosh isn't the end of the world for us. I think we get so crazy about all this and the obvious fear that we'll be left at the alter with no groom. In the end we'll be alright, cuz we'll have another trade deadline and another summer of FA's to go after next summer. We won't have to panic. We'll still have tons of cap room if we don't get to use it all and that's never a bad thing for a team with nothing but young talent left on the roster. There will be so many FA's out there that we'll be able to make some improvements but still be able to retain cap space if we completely strike out on all the top FA's. Will that suck? YEAH! But it wouldn't be the end of the franchise for another 10 years as some have suggested. This is all Panic and Sky is falling stuff.

My bet is that DW has a really good idea of what he's gonna do and that he's already talked to Agents and other GM's about interest in doing certain deals and what FA's will be looking for from the team. Our situation is unique in that we don't have the baggage some teams have. Who's to say that another team wants the losing crap Houston has to give or wants to deal with the guys like Beasley that are on the rosters of these other teams. These guys haven't shown much of anything so far, what's gonna change? We have a clean slate and only good players left with the exception of Curry who's an expiring. Our situation isn't as bleak as many make it out to be.

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5/3/2010  3:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/3/2010  3:13 PM
nixluva wrote:All of the other teams will do their best to convince Bosh and other FA's to come their way and we'll get our chance to do the same. There are some really good situations out there for players to consider. Not getting Bosh isn't the end of the world for us. I think we get so crazy about all this and the obvious fear that we'll be left at the alter with no groom. In the end we'll be alright, cuz we'll have another trade deadline and another summer of FA's to go after next summer. We won't have to panic. We'll still have tons of cap room if we don't get to use it all and that's never a bad thing for a team with nothing but young talent left on the roster. There will be so many FA's out there that we'll be able to make some improvements but still be able to retain cap space if we completely strike out on all the top FA's. Will that suck? YEAH! But it wouldn't be the end of the franchise for another 10 years as some have suggested. This is all Panic and Sky is falling stuff.

My bet is that DW has a really good idea of what he's gonna do and that he's already talked to Agents and other GM's about interest in doing certain deals and what FA's will be looking for from the team. Our situation is unique in that we don't have the baggage some teams have. Who's to say that another team wants the losing crap Houston has to give or wants to deal with the guys like Beasley that are on the rosters of these other teams. These guys haven't shown much of anything so far, what's gonna change? We have a clean slate and only good players left with the exception of Curry who's an expiring. Our situation isn't as bleak as many make it out to be.

Nice post. I made a somewhat similar post earlier in the Melo thread.

I don't get the uproar over things that have yet to happen.

I don't get the trolling posts from the usual suspects as if it's already October and we got screwed.

It's bizarre.

Why can't we just sit back and let those in charge build the team and then comment on the team that is actually built instead of going nuts over things that have yet to even play out?

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Cosmic wrote:Are you a Knick fan anymore or do you just post Bosh to anywhere but NY posts anymore? You've already admitted you can't and don't watch games anymore and are no longer a Knick fan but is just a Raptor fan.

I'm saying this because you've gone from Live from Section 404 posts which I enjoyed to literally a flat out Raptor troll ribbing Knick fans on the whole 2010 FA thing regarding Bosh.

What gives? Your posts seek a rise out of Knick fans. You have done nothing but post gloom and doom regarding the possibility that the Knicks grab Bosh over the summer.

If you're no longer a Knick fan why do this? Have you become part of the Bluest/Optimus troll team? Sure seems so.


No big deal and no hard feelings but just sayin'.

Your posts suck lol.

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nixluva wrote:All of the other teams will do their best to convince Bosh and other FA's to come their way and we'll get our chance to do the same. There are some really good situations out there for players to consider. Not getting Bosh isn't the end of the world for us. I think we get so crazy about all this and the obvious fear that we'll be left at the alter with no groom. In the end we'll be alright, cuz we'll have another trade deadline and another summer of FA's to go after next summer. We won't have to panic. We'll still have tons of cap room if we don't get to use it all and that's never a bad thing for a team with nothing but young talent left on the roster. There will be so many FA's out there that we'll be able to make some improvements but still be able to retain cap space if we completely strike out on all the top FA's. Will that suck? YEAH! But it wouldn't be the end of the franchise for another 10 years as some have suggested. This is all Panic and Sky is falling stuff.

My bet is that DW has a really good idea of what he's gonna do and that he's already talked to Agents and other GM's about interest in doing certain deals and what FA's will be looking for from the team. Our situation is unique in that we don't have the baggage some teams have. Who's to say that another team wants the losing crap Houston has to give or wants to deal with the guys like Beasley that are on the rosters of these other teams. These guys haven't shown much of anything so far, what's gonna change? We have a clean slate and only good players left with the exception of Curry who's an expiring. Our situation isn't as bleak as many make it out to be.

back to the topic at hand...it seems that bosh will be houston's #1 choice this summer. which is different than some other teams like chicago or ny that will go after lebron and/or wade first. so that could be an advantage to the rockets. but if ny can snag lebron and both walsh and lebron show up at bosh's doorstep, then that would be a tough thing to turn down. although miami can do the same with wade.

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djsunyc wrote:
nixluva wrote:All of the other teams will do their best to convince Bosh and other FA's to come their way and we'll get our chance to do the same. There are some really good situations out there for players to consider. Not getting Bosh isn't the end of the world for us. I think we get so crazy about all this and the obvious fear that we'll be left at the alter with no groom. In the end we'll be alright, cuz we'll have another trade deadline and another summer of FA's to go after next summer. We won't have to panic. We'll still have tons of cap room if we don't get to use it all and that's never a bad thing for a team with nothing but young talent left on the roster. There will be so many FA's out there that we'll be able to make some improvements but still be able to retain cap space if we completely strike out on all the top FA's. Will that suck? YEAH! But it wouldn't be the end of the franchise for another 10 years as some have suggested. This is all Panic and Sky is falling stuff.

My bet is that DW has a really good idea of what he's gonna do and that he's already talked to Agents and other GM's about interest in doing certain deals and what FA's will be looking for from the team. Our situation is unique in that we don't have the baggage some teams have. Who's to say that another team wants the losing crap Houston has to give or wants to deal with the guys like Beasley that are on the rosters of these other teams. These guys haven't shown much of anything so far, what's gonna change? We have a clean slate and only good players left with the exception of Curry who's an expiring. Our situation isn't as bleak as many make it out to be.

back to the topic at hand...it seems that bosh will be houston's #1 choice this summer. which is different than some other teams like chicago or ny that will go after lebron and/or wade first. so that could be an advantage to the rockets. but if ny can snag lebron and both walsh and lebron show up at bosh's doorstep, then that would be a tough thing to turn down. although miami can do the same with wade.

I think every top FA will wait to see what Lebron and the Knicks do!!! It's not even conceivable to me that any of the other FA's will rush out ahead of Lebron and just take an offer from another team without 1st seeing if he's gonna go to NY and perhaps give them a call to come join him. Does that not make any sense to anyone here? Any Agent for a FA has got to be thinking the same thing. Let's hold on and see how thing shake out with Lebron and NY... maybe we can slide our guy in next to Lebron in a city loaded with money, media and access. There's not another city with more to offer than NY when you tally up all the things we have here. Don't underestimate that fact when we're no longer stuck with no money to offer. At least now we're in the game salary wise. All we had before was the MLE. Now we can get pretty close to the annual salary their home team can give and of course we can supply so much more once they sign on.

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Dont watch Bosh much but isn't he a low post player like Yao?
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djsunyc wrote:and at center...from georgia tech...co-captain...CHRISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS BOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....

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martin wrote:Dont watch Bosh much but isn't he a low post player like Yao?

he plays from the elbow in. i'm not sure either what they're thinking with both of them but yao only has 1 year on his deal so maybe thinking long term?

adelman had miller + webber...maybe he visions something similar with bosh + yao?

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martin wrote:
djsunyc wrote:and at center...from georgia tech...co-captain...CHRISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS BOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....

first the Kobe pics and now this. dj fav search words: gay nba pics.


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