Nalod wrote:

arkrud wrote:I am legal immigrant and was working to get my refugee status 8 years back in Soviet Union.
Then I came to US and start working and paying taxes after 6 month.
This low may be a shortcut but why people should get illegally things that legal immigrants are had to work for?
I was working with hundreds of people who came to US on working visa and they all paid taxes and obey the low.
Why somebody else should be allowed to snick in for nothing together with crime, drugs, and misery?
I don't care who they are - Mexicans, Albanians, Nigerians, or Vietnamese... everybody should obey to the low.

Good point, thanks for chiming in.

I mow my own lawn but can well afford to have it done, but this is my choice.

What people do with their money is their business so long as they are paying their own way.

Housing expanded our ecnomy and will further be a problem. Incentives are coming off the books this week and tax reform is coming. The tax deduction of interest on a mortgage may get capped. This will hurt the housing market.

This reality will dial back to the way things used to be instead of the McMansions of excess housing. Retiring babyboomer demographic will demand premium housing but in smaller spaces.

You will continue to see more urban spaces in demand and smaller older houses that have character and charm but smaller lots (less yard work) that are closer to amenities. Driving less is the best way to reduce oil consumption.

Nalod sold his two acre house right before the big bubble burst and did the above. My drive to office went to 14 miles to 4. 13 years left on mortgage which means im paying less interest which may get capped soon. Need to work on some solar and passive heating things the next few years to reduce my consumption.

This very well can be the way you predicting.
This country needs fresh blood and more hardworking and educated people to come and start working up the ladder.
This was moving America forward for 200+ years.
And chip temp labor coming from underdeveloped counties will not make the trick.
We need to look at some point system (like Canada and Australia do) to bring the best young educated people from all over the world.
More Green cards, more working visas for companies the way it was in tech bubble time. This how you get surplus in place of deficit.
Suck the world of the best man-power - this is what America needs to get back on track.

OasisBU wrote:Seriously - wtf is happening to this country?

America is a great place but we have seriously been messing up for a while now and decisions like this certainly don't help.

Actually, it will help, just on a delayed basis. That is precisely how our country works. Bad decisions can lead to good outcomes once actual leaders/thinkers evaluate the ramifications of those decisions. This Arizona law is about as unconstitutional as it gets. We don't live in the Third Reich. Heck, even Karl Rove can attest to the illegality of this Fubar law (even if McCain can't - although he is pandering due to being a ****ing moron running for a new term).

It will be overturned by the Obama Administration and/or the courts in due time. Reid already introduced a bill that would supercede Arizona's new "law" and it could get some bipartisan support.

Democracy can be a mule train, but we usually end up heading in the right direction eventually.

OasisBU wrote:Seriously - wtf is happening to this country?

America is a great place but we have seriously been messing up for a while now and decisions like this certainly don't help.

You phrase 'whats happening' as if racism, fascism, and xenophobia are some brand new concepts around here. Old white people are desperate to turn back the clock to the days when only their voice and interests mattered exclusively.

Republicans are going all in with the tea party demographic. At least most (Jeb Bush and some republicans have been very vocal about the political cost of alienating the Hispanic vote).

I dont understand why we just dont focus on securing our borders rather than recreating such a second-class citizenship environment. LOL, thats a stupid question.

loweyecue wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

I mow my own lawn.

Hey man, wanna know why the economy sucks? Because we are so irresponsible and lazy with our own money. We can't get our lazy arses up and mow are own lawns. It kinda bothers me when I see so many capable people paying for landscapers. Landscapers should be for people who literally can't do it. Otherwise, it's not that hard to mow the lawn.

folks consumed more than they could really afford. debt sucks, and folks/gov/companies have too much of it (not just here). people cant pay it, places take write downs. folks dont live within their means, thats more of an issue then being lazy -- perhaps i could rephrase: lazy + wanting it all with no strings attached (earn it/pay for it).

i find it interesting so many nations owe $$$... i would advocate some type of global debt reset at some point, though this rewards folks who cant/wont pay for what they consumed, while those who have not over stepped get nothing.

Are you talking about people and countries as the same type of entity?

the problems that debt causes are diff between them, however, nations/folks/companies have taken on waaaaay 2 much debt. the end results for folks in massive debt is diff then say greece or iceland (recent examples), or a company that can go chap 11. i was going for the debt is evil angle over anything else... when income for a person, and revenue for a gov/company mostly flies right out the window paying down debt+interest (or other liabilities), makes growing an economy rough.

the global econ feels like a shell game...