Marv wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Lee at center is a recipe for disaster. Even if you say Tyrus at center and lee at PF, that's still a SMALL frontline. too small to win, i think.

give me bosh over dlee. it's a huge upgrade. bosh in this system averages 25ppg and 12rpg easy. he's younger than lee, too.

how is that a huge upgrade? Bosh isnt durable. Lee is a better passer and ball handler and 25/12 is 5 more points than Lee got last year. This just tells me you dont like Lee. Bosh will cost $17mm. Lee might be as low as $9 or $10 ($9mm = 6 years $70mm). Thats not an upgrade at all because you cant even afford to pay Earl Barron to play next to him.

It is a small frontline, and thats not my choice but we are better. Also the Suns won 60 games with Boris Diaw starting at center.

If we let Lee walk so we can sign Bosh I'm done with the Knicks and therefore done with basketball. It would take a lot to make me care about that team or that sport again

aw geez. we're gonna have to win him back with a little alcohol. one "fish drinks free" night at stout oughtta clear up this nonsense.

AnubisADL wrote:

Hawks willing to pay Joe Johnson the max? WOW

This sucks for us. We need a SG BADLY this summer and I figured Johnson would be a lock.

i think it's the best news i've heard in weeks... even if we don't land a top FA this summer, i want no part of Joe Johnson at max salary stuck on our books for the next 5 years.

TMS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Hawks willing to pay Joe Johnson the max? WOW

This sucks for us. We need a SG BADLY this summer and I figured Johnson would be a lock.

i think it's the best news i've heard in weeks... even if we don't land a top FA this summer, i want no part of Joe Johnson at max salary stuck on our books for the next 5 years.

Agree. Johnson for the max would have been a bad move. If we could have got him for $12 mil, then go for it. But at $16-$17 mil, it just becomes too much for someone that is like 29 already and has never really carried his team.

loweyecue wrote:So you guys value the 24th pick over Joe Johnson at max? Can someone explain exactly how much chance the 24th pick has of being a player as good as Joe Johnson? Not saying he deserves max and NOT ASSUMING we would give it to him.

Joe Johnson just fouled out with 13 pts.

How isn't the 24th pick better?

Or, at least, better value for the dollar.

Cosmic wrote:Just what we need to do. Purchase a #24 pick so we can grab another role player. We certainly don't have enough Wilson Chandlers on this team. We need more! We also need to take away the cap space we gained via guaranteed 1st round pick salaries! That's a great plan!

Jeez people...

Hey brother lighten up !
Aside from Kobe, Dirk and Duncan the WHOLE darn NBA is getting pretty pretty young now

So young you got guys you dont even know about like Danny Granger (pre nba) whom on a lousy team is making a name for himself and
his Pacers whom seem on road to rebuilding faster than our Knicks.

We don't have a Danny Granger here and he aint even on a elite Kobe, LBJ OR Wade 1st level tier yet.

Seem clear to me the more picks and drafts Knicks get with the program of other teams successes then you worry about FA
and have some planned cap for it.

What the heck and devil Ya gonna do ? wait for 2 yrs of STUD FAs to turn back Knicks & their cap $$ to go buddy up with their
pals on same teams whom can maneuver them deals ?

Seems to me Knicks need to plan to get their own STUD or young promising stars.
League aint old anymore buddy

its very young and exciting.
Lakers are real good and can get out of 1st round but being tested by < 24 yr olds whom making name for themselves and like
LBJ was just born the other day. Kobe came into the league 17 or 18 correct ?

Wake up and smell the NBA coffee. The league is Young, Knicks if they aint getting help got to go draft and lure FAs
here with good moves and smart business plans. No get rich or get good quick plans here. May be another 3- 5 yrs before NY
is winning again which will exceed MDAntoni's contract which is fine with me!

Everyone knows play A. If we miss on those guys how best to proceed? My inclination would be to buy picks and stock pile young players. Resign Lee to a reasonable deal, he was an all star. Sign a guy who can get some easy shots for you and get Douglas in the PG slot like Mike Miller and Shaun Livingston and stockpile talent and wait for opportunities.

Cosmic wrote:We have:

Lee
Gallo
Chandler
Walker
Douglas

And even Barron, Sergio, Giddens to a degree although I doubt any more than 1 of them will return.

We don't need another young player. We need star talent. How many young players do we want to develop? Are we an NBDL team now? A farm? No, we're not. If I recall, Pitino tried that with the Celtics, putting together essentially a college team and they played the college game in the NBA - citing that teams wouldn't know how to counter it. That didn't work so why would we want to try that here? And yes, that's what we'd be doing by adding picks upon late round picks.

A team filled with these caliber players will never win. You also don't just expect youth to improve every year without limits. It doesn't work that way.

Besides for every Chandler, Lee, Douglas you also get your Balkmans and Collins. You can't just expect to find gold in every late 1st round pick and you can't tell me with a straight face you want a team full of Chandlers and think it'll go anywhere. It wouldn't.

If this was the team's plan (and it isn't) to just rebuild with youth then we wouldn't have traded our pick and a pick swap to Houston.

We have a nice youthful core but we need to add star power to it not more youth.

We have a handful of young players we are in the process of developing. We have enough. You have too many kids you can't develop them all. You interfere with the development of some to try to get all involved. It's not a good idea.

We need to keep developing who we have but add some star power and then fill out the roster with utility veterans not more kids.

A 1mm $ slot isnt changing FA.

Last years 25 was Rodrigue Beaubois. Now wouldn't that be worth it?

BRIGGS wrote:
A 1mm $ slot isnt changing FA.

Last years 25 was Rodrigue Beaubois. Now wouldn't that be worth it?

And 2 years ago the 24th, 25th, and 26th, picks, respectively, were

Serge Ibaka

Nicolas Batum

George Hill

...each of them worthy of a good minutes on playoff contending teams.