Pharzeone wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:LOL, so now it's ok to make comparisons. Last year we couldn't do it because Gallinari was hurt but since Randolph is hurt no problem. Yeah sounds about right. Before he got hurt he was putting up double doubles on a regular basis. Still waiting for Gallo to bust out on that rather then waiting for his team to get out of it before making shots. Right now Anthony Randolph is still in the mold of KG for me and Gallo is on a path similar to JR Smith. I look at the entire game not just periods for production.

IF you read the post thoroughly you will find quotes like

"the jury is still out on these two guys"
"I think they both suffer from head issues"
"Do you think that after watching Gallo and Toney and David Lee that NY fans will finally learn that you have to give these guys time before we finalize their careers."

This post has nothing to do iwth saying one is better then the other and everything to do with trying to help some psychotics to stop analyzing with your emotions and analyze with your eyes. Some may still think that Gallo was not worth it. That's fine. They may be right. Randolph may end up being the better pro(remember jury is still out). But I am clearly making fun of those that call themselves talent evaluators that called Gallo, TD and Jordan Hill busts 1 month into their careers while annointing guys like Randolph and Lopez and the rest of the gang all-time greats.

Bip within your thread there were comparisons. Not just your post but as I said we couldn't compare them last year because Gallo was hurt but Randolph was already putting up double doubles this season before his injury. I would say based on their production Randolph is what this team vastly needs. I state the same with Hill. Rebounding and defense.

What comparison???? My thread clearly says that they both have potential and both could turn into something or fizzle out. No one has been annointed. But beginning of last year clearly Randolph was annointed and Gallo was a "bust". Huge difference between the two

CrushAlot wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:LOL, so now it's ok to make comparisons. Last year we couldn't do it because Gallinari was hurt but since Randolph is hurt no problem. Yeah sounds about right. Before he got hurt he was putting up double doubles on a regular basis. Still waiting for Gallo to bust out on that rather then waiting for his team to get out of it before making shots. Right now Anthony Randolph is still in the mold of KG for me and Gallo is on a path similar to JR Smith. I look at the entire game not just periods for production.

IF you read the post thoroughly you will find quotes like

"the jury is still out on these two guys"
"I think they both suffer from head issues"
"Do you think that after watching Gallo and Toney and David Lee that NY fans will finally learn that you have to give these guys time before we finalize their careers."

This post has nothing to do iwth saying one is better then the other and everything to do with trying to help some psychotics to stop analyzing with your emotions and analyze with your eyes. Some may still think that Gallo was not worth it. That's fine. They may be right. Randolph may end up being the better pro(remember jury is still out). But I am clearly making fun of those that call themselves talent evaluators that called Gallo, TD and Jordan Hill busts 1 month into their careers while annointing guys like Randolph and Lopez and the rest of the gang all-time greats.

I don't know about the bust label for Gallo one month in but I thought he was a huge risk on draft night in such a deep draft with so much more known talent. I didn't think the Knicks should take a risk on him with some of the other guys that were available. It certainly didn't help after that that he lost the season to his back injury and that there was a report that he had a pre-existing back condition. I liked the Hill pick and I still think he will be a good player. Buddinger was my guy where Toney was picked. I think he is going to have a great career and while I don't like D'Antoni, I think a guy like Buddinger becomes an all star in his system.

Hey, he could still injure his back and it could ruin his career. But worrying about it, and crying nightly and as some guys did, call for firings over the pick was a waste of time.

Bippity10 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I would say we could use Anthony Randolph--he's got first team all NBA defensive potential. Gallinari could be a guy who could avg 23 /25 points Lopez is a 20-10-2.5 C---each has a great deal of + and some -. As long as each guy can stay healthy I don't think there is a winner or loser out of those 3.

Thank you, that's all I'm saying. I just think it's weird that so many guys get so excited about Randolph and Lopez and yet a guy with a lot of potential is sitting on the team they call their favorite right now and all they can do is complain about how we don't have Randolph. I personally think Randolph has the highest ceiling of all three of them. Doesn't mean he will ever achieve that ceiling.

Let's be fair Lopez has them both beat. I know the future is still bright for them all,etc... but 19 ppg, 9 rebounds and 2 blocks in your 2nd year. I mean my goodness, why he doesn't get more press is baffling. We often think of him as being real older than those two but he is right there in age with them.

Pharzeone wrote:

PresIke wrote:Gallo in his second year after recovering from an injury, moved from 2.4 ft's (at 20 yrs old) a game per 36 min to 4.0 ft's a game in year 2 (21).

Smith, in his third year, at 21 moved from 3.1 year 1 (19) to 3.7 in year 2 (20) to 3.1 in year 3 (21) per 36 min.

and to further concur with Childs2Dudley...

smith as a rookie had a ts% (which factors in 3's and ft) .478, .515 as a 2nd year player and .585 as a 3rd year player (same age as Gallo)

gallo shot .621 as a rookie and then .576 as a 2nd year player.

smith in his 3rd, 4th and 5th year shot under or near what gallo has done (.585, .603, .576) but has dipped this year to .515.

so in smith's first years at either the same age, or with more years experience, he didn't even do as well as gallo did in his first two, in the main areas you appear to be comparing their games.

so..

the stats show some similarities, but it seems that gallo is tracking to be better already around the same age, and less experience in the league, and coming off an injury as a rookie than smith (who also missed several games his 2nd and 3rd years).

it's too early to say, but to say he is tracking to be jr smith seems too wide of a margin in terms of what they offer to say they track as similar players, from what the stats appear to suggest without using something like SPSS.

Are sure on those stats. Where is Gallo FG% coming from? Because that isn't accurate.

I said that their games are similar. Keep in mind the amount of minutes Gallo has been given compared to that of JR. Some don't want to hear it but it my opinion of his game. LOL, when did JR Smith become a bad guy to be compared to. This site was lusting after him for a number of years. Also, I wouldn't use TS% because in his rookie season he primarily shot threes. You need to actually state how many shots were threes compared to the amount of shots he took.

it's true shooting % (ts%), not fg%. i explained why i used that (advanced) stat, because it measures the difficulty of 3's (which lowers players fg% yet when you hit one counts for more than a 2 pointer) and includes the measurement of getting fouled while shooting (aka going to the line). if you also noticed i used per 36 minutes numbers in the other cases, so your comment about "minutes" is exactly addressed.

you wouldn't use true shooting % because he mostly took 3s? that's just silly to say, because that's exactly the point of ts%. taking a 3 is more difficult than most shots inside the arc. his regular fg% overall was actually higher last year anyway, so there goes your argument anyway.

go check basketball-reference.com the stats are there, and that's where i got them.

i was definitely in favor of taking randolph with our pick but was more than willing to see what happened with gallo even though i wasn't sure it was the right pick. i think as many have said, you can't go wrong with all 3, but in saying that, i'm extremely happy with the way our guy is turning out.

Bippity10 wrote:Bottom line:

If someone came to you and said I think Gallinari is better then Michael Jordan you would call them an idiot and go on with your lives. The fact that we are arguing over who is a better pick Lopez, Gallinari or Randolph just goes to show that Gallinari was a legitimate pick. Thus proving my point. He was not a bust. He was not a pick made just because a bunch of Italians wanted an Italian on the team. He's actually a good player with some potential. Potential that was evident after one half of summer league ball. Potential that many ignored. Many people have spent the last 2 years trying to find things to upset themselves. Some of these things were legitimate. Whining over a 21 year old that has potential but has not yet realized it is a waste of time.

Bips key to happiness: Stop coveting what other people have, and appreciate what you do have.

I'm glad to see you've learned that. I know you used to covet my awesome post count, but now you've learned to appreciate your own paltry post count.

Bippity10 wrote:Bottom line:

If someone came to you and said I think Gallinari is better then Michael Jordan you would call them an idiot and go on with your lives. The fact that we are arguing over who is a better pick Lopez, Gallinari or Randolph just goes to show that Gallinari was a legitimate pick. Thus proving my point. He was not a bust. He was not a pick made just because a bunch of Italians wanted an Italian on the team. He's actually a good player with some potential. Potential that was evident after one half of summer league ball. Potential that many ignored. Many people have spent the last 2 years trying to find things to upset themselves. Some of these things were legitimate. Whining over a 21 year old that has potential but has not yet realized it is a waste of time.

Bips key to happiness: Stop coveting what other people have, and appreciate what you do have.

Bip, I can understand how you can say we are debating about Gallo and Randolph. But how we rationally debate about Lopez. Doesn't his performance back it up? I mean he can bottom out in his progress but for his position in the league isn't he already considered one of the best? My hope is that Gallo and Randolph can put up similar numbers at the very least across the stat line. For example, I was one of the few that loved the Hill selection while most consider him a bust in the making on this forum but I'm not trying to say that he is right now a better player than say a Jennings or Evans at this point.

NYKBocker wrote:After this year, I don't know how anybody can complain about the Gallo pick. Gallo, AR or Lopez...I don't think you can complain about their development. OF the 3 players, I would rank them Gallo, Lopez, AR. I just like Gallo's moxy and skill set. Lopez is Brad Daugherty reincarnated. The thing I don't like about AR is his mental makeup. He just comes across as a mental midget.

That's why I rank AR higher than Gallo because his mental makeup reminds me of KG. It looks like he take every possession personal much like KG. On the flipside, Gallo's makeup reminds me of JR Smith. That's not a knock on Gallo but that's how I see it myself. Their demeanor is very similar in a game. When they are on they are jubilant but when they aren't it like woe is me, head down. And they become the focal point of what's wrong now, why can't he get going talks. They have to have stuff happen to motivate them. Watch the Nuggets in the playoffs to see what I'm referring to. I like what Gallo did in late March and April but I can't get highly motivated like you guys because he took too long and low of a dip in Jan/Feb. to say wow he had a great year.

Pharzeone wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:After this year, I don't know how anybody can complain about the Gallo pick. Gallo, AR or Lopez...I don't think you can complain about their development. OF the 3 players, I would rank them Gallo, Lopez, AR. I just like Gallo's moxy and skill set. Lopez is Brad Daugherty reincarnated. The thing I don't like about AR is his mental makeup. He just comes across as a mental midget.

That's why I rank AR higher than Gallo because his mental makeup reminds me of KG. It looks like he take every possession personal much like KG. On the flipside, Gallo's makeup reminds me of JR Smith. That's not a knock on Gallo but that's how I see it myself. Their demeanor is very similar in a game. When they are on they are jubilant but when they aren't it like woe is me, head down. And they become the focal point of what's wrong now, why can't he get going talks. They have to have stuff happen to motivate them. Watch the Nuggets in the playoffs to see what I'm referring to. I like what Gallo did in late March and April but I can't get highly motivated like you guys because he took too long and low of a dip in Jan/Feb. to say wow he had a great year.

If you read my earlier post I said something very similar. I think right now it's a legitimate criticism and cannot be disputed. All young players have warts, otherwise they would be Lebron or Kobe. This is one of Gallo's warts. He clearly needs an "event" to trigger him and at the moment is not motivated by the game itself. If he is to grow into a big time player clearly he will have to improve on this. That is why the jury is still out.

I've watched Randolph. He's a fiery guy and that's great but he also does not make the decisions that Gallo and Lopez makes and does get overly emotional and it affects his game as well. that's his wart and what could hold him back. No guarantees with any of these guys.