Pharzeone wrote:
So basically you saying Lebron or bust with personal attacks, made up stats and erroneous info. Great input and insight. I would recommend you staying away from the internet and all media if it upsets you for anyone to question the "or bust" part of the equation. Unfortunately, it is still America despite what anyone is telling you now.

For all of those who don't live in a bubble. Donnie recently stated about the bust part of the equation. Notice that "the bust" part is what he has speaking about a lot more lately despite what some will have you believe.

Speaking candidly on a “Knicks on Demand” video for the team’s Web site, Knicks president Donnie Walsh said he does not have all his eggs in LeBron James’ basket and his decision to make trades to get under the salary cap in 2010 was a broader philosophical move.

“I really didn’t know what the list of free agents were. “It wasn’t like I was going after LeBron or this guy. It was just, we have to get in the free-agent market. The market in that year, I won’t have to pick all the players. The fact we’re under the cap will put you in much more flexible position and not strung out over a long period of time where you can’t do anything. That flexibility is what I’m focused on, not the who, when and where.”

Flexibility yet he traded our 2012 pick and the right to swap picks in 2011. Walsh should just STFU at this point. He is contradicting himself at this point.

Walsh is the same guy saying he didn't make deals with Memphis(Randolph) and Clippers(Randolph) because they wanted a pick but trades a pick and a lottery pick to move Jefferies.

AnubisADL wrote:

TMS wrote:

"I really didn’t know what the list of free agents were."

too busy napping to research this kinda useless information in the biggest free agency summer of alltime

He is talking foolishness. This summer is about Lebron and he knows it.

We pretty much have the Rockets pick next year and no pick in 2012. The sad part is Morey doesnt even want to keep our picks. He was already peddling our wares at the deadline.

i think Morey will likely use those picks to acquire a talent this summer in a sign & trade... pretty ironic if he ends up landing a better player than we do using the assets we dumped to try & get the cap space to begin with... i really really hope that doesn't happen but right now i wouldn't be surprised one bit if that's how it played out... we've had so much bad luck the past 10 years i can't even conceive of us coming out on the better end of a major trade anymore.

Andrew wrote:You mean he laying out a realistic picture of what may happen? You mean he realizes that if his top selection decides not to come to NY he needs to be prepared for that? Damn him for his forethought.

No. I mean why is he talking about flexibility after swapping our 2011 pick, trading away our 2012 pick, and trading our 2009 lottery pick selection.

Pharzeone wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:I get back into town for this ****. Fire Donnie old ass now if this is true. You mean you traded 2 picks and the potential right for another team to swap your pick to get a player you could have re-sign on the cheap. How is this even posted without a pre-April Fool Day's disclaimer.

you guys really dont get it.

He made the cap space moves to go after Lebron. Maybe its 50/50. Maybe its only 20% chance LBJ comes here, but that 20% (1 in 5 for those in mom's basement) is WORTH taking this shot on. You guys talk about resigning Lee and Joe Johnson as the plan. Maybe thats the worst case fall back. Thats the hedge at very best.

Its getting old.

There is a lot of speculation and some legit reasons for Lebron coming here. There are some equally legit reasons for him staying. Bottom line is everyone know's he's flirting with NYC and this franchise.
We are talking about a legit chance to sign an MVP player in his prime, and people are crying about Jordan Hill.

If you think its dumb to mortage the mediocre future for a chance at Lebron then say that. Quit crying about Walsh trading picks and players for Joe Johnson because a) it hasnt happened yet and b) thats not why he did it. Now there are other all star caliber players available as well as resigning our own all star if we cant sign an MVP caliber guy.

Feel free to bitch and moan if it makes you feel better, but at least do for the right reason.

Walsh did this because when the best player in the league is in his prime and hints at playing for your franchise you do what you need to do to get him. If that means trading Jordan Hill well your just gonna have to live with that.

So basically you saying Lebron or bust with personal attacks, made up stats and erroneous info. Great input and insight. I would recommend you staying away from the internet and all media if it upsets you for anyone to question the "or bust" part of the equation. Unfortunately, it is still America despite what anyone is telling you now.

For all of those who don't live in a bubble. Donnie recently stated about the bust part of the equation. Notice that "the bust" part is what he has speaking about a lot more lately despite what some will have you believe.

Speaking candidly on a “Knicks on Demand” video for the team’s Web site, Knicks president Donnie Walsh said he does not have all his eggs in LeBron James’ basket and his decision to make trades to get under the salary cap in 2010 was a broader philosophical move.

“I really didn’t know what the list of free agents were. “It wasn’t like I was going after LeBron or this guy. It was just, we have to get in the free-agent market. The market in that year, I won’t have to pick all the players. The fact we’re under the cap will put you in much more flexible position and not strung out over a long period of time where you can’t do anything. That flexibility is what I’m focused on, not the who, when and where.”

As for erroneous info we have been over 1000 times what is fact and what isnt. Lebron is the best player in the NBA. He's flirting with NY. Its my opinion that what Walsh gave up in order to clear space to acquire Lebron is worth the risk in not getting him. Its that simple to me.

The backup plan is there are other FAs and other options that can work. Its not Lebron or bust. I have never said that. We could miss out on Lebron and still turn this team around in one offseason. We could swing and miss like Bitty said and have a 25 win team again and owe draft picks.

For me its simple. I believe we have a chance to get Lebron. I dont know what that chance is. Maybe its 1-20. Maybe its 1-100. Maybe its 50-50, but there is a chance. To me watching Jordon Hill play elsewhere and giving up a draft pick is worth the chance to get Lebron. If next year Lee is the center, Joe Johnson is the franchise player and we are following rumors about Eddie Curry's comeback then OH WELL. At least we took at shot at getting the best player in here. I can live with that failure. Let the next guy try. If you dont think its worth the shot then I respect your opinion... honestly I do.

Every game at MSG Kobe talks about how he loves the city and that MSG is "a great gym." I dont want to hear Lebron talk in his documentary 20 years from now how he always wanted to play in NY, but it never worked out. THAT I CANT LIVE WITH.

Thats just me man.

Andrew wrote:

TMS wrote:u mean to tell me the realistic picture that we miss out on Lebron, Bosh & Wade this summer justifies an idiotic trade to dump 3 valuable young assets to free up $9 million in cap space this summer?

I didn't say that. What I said is the reality of the situation is that NY could end up without Lebron James or Wade etc. Do you not understand what taking a risk means? Oh...and prepare to be disappointed if your expectation is that the Knicks will be getting 2 big name FAs. I won't be sad if we end up with Lee and Lebron and a supporting cast. That to me is a realistic scenario.

yeah i understand what taking a risk means, u can spare the condescending douchebaggy remarks, i haven't gone there with you.

& i wouldn't be sad if we end up with Lee & Lebron & a supporting cast either, think i've gone as far as to say i'd sign Jerome James to the max if it meant we'd be getting Lebron... the point is that getting Lebron is the focus of this plan i believe that was the message myself & Anubis were referring to to begin with... i am well aware there is a big chance that the plan fails, why else do you think people are concerned? if the plan succeeds & we get Lebron then who the eff cares what happens after that?

everyone knows this plan revolves entirely around Lebron James... all this BS "flexibility" talk nonsense is just that, nonsense.

there's only 1 successful outcome to this trade & that's if we land Lebron & another biggame this summer

Yeah we been down this road about this topic a lot but it was from the standpoint of not knowing what is going on behind the scenes. Now that Donnie and his inner circle are opening up about the Lebron/Wade alternative plans a lot and in detail I think it is safe to start with criticism of moves made. Granted everyone knows that the summer hasn't gotten here. Lebron/Wade or whoever is still a possibility. What I have a problem with is the bust portion, particularly this article that nyk posted. Remember Donnie already made the Crawford and Randolph trades that would allow him to sign Lebron. Now, Donnie or someone in his inner circle is telling me that he made the Jeffries trade with assets to re-sign Lee when he could have signed him on a cheap two years ago or even last year. What is he telling us, that he has not evaluated the 2010 free agents until this spring? That he didn't know Lee's game after pre-season back in 08 or last season. To indicate that Bosh isn't worthy of a max contract then who is he waiting on in 2010? Does he plan on getting both Lebron and Wade? I mean everyone knew who the FAs were this off-season. It's not like it should be a huge surprise but according to Donnie's quotes it seems like it wasn't factor in his decision.

My issue with Donnie is that he may have royally misused his current and future assets on a hedge. And forgive me but that sounds like a Lebron or bust issue. Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay and the rest are not franchise difference makers IMHO.

Pharzeone wrote:Fish, I guess you are right about me saying it was personal but it just seems like you are taking criticize of these guys way too personal. I have had rougher things thrown around and have even said more myself to get under feathers or make my point. I'm having a rough day at work, so it could be the stress when I posted. No worries.

Yeah we been down this road about this topic a lot but it was from the standpoint of not knowing what is going on behind the scenes. Now that Donnie and his inner circle are opening up about the Lebron/Wade alternative plans a lot and in detail I think it is safe to start with criticism of moves made. Granted everyone knows that the summer hasn't gotten here. Lebron/Wade or whoever is still a possibility. What I have a problem with is the bust portion, particularly this article that nyk posted. Remember Donnie already made the Crawford and Randolph trades that would allow him to sign Lebron. Now, Donnie or someone in his inner circle is telling me that he made the Jeffries trade with assets to re-sign Lee when he could have signed him on a cheap two years ago or even last year. What is he telling us, that he has not evaluated the 2010 free agents until this spring? That he didn't know Lee's game after pre-season back in 08 or last season. To indicate that Bosh isn't worthy of a max contract then who is he waiting on in 2010? Does he plan on getting both Lebron and Wade? I mean everyone knew who the FAs were this off-season. It's not like it should be a huge surprise but according to Donnie's quotes it seems like it wasn't factor in his decision.

My issue with Donnie is that he may have royally misused his current and future assets on a hedge. And forgive me but that sounds like a Lebron or bust issue. Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay and the rest are not franchise difference makers IMHO.

Of all the guys who have been here in Layden/Isiah/Walsh DW is EASILY the most trust worthy. By a landslide.

I think you just have to let these guys do their thing. Its like a good stew... it takes time. Remember when Briggs was going on and on about what a waste Douglas was, and now he's penciled into every starting lineup.

Cant say I agree w/ all Walsh's moves but there is def a plan here for sure.

And if we do get a max guy? I would trade JJ, Hill and give up a future #1 to sign David Lee. 20/12/55% guys with those skills arent a dime a dozen. No matter what kind of team we have we will need that kind of production.

Sorry your day was crap dude.