Markji wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Cosmic wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

I know I haven't been here for a while but the Bip does not believe in passive antagonism, he believes in direct antagonism. This post has nothing to do with anyone's criticism of D'Antoni and everything to do with the morons that called Gallo a bust last year and Hill and Douglas busts during this years summer league. Those "talent evaluators" are not talent evaluators they are strictly whiners.

I think Hill sucked from summer league, from pre-season, and from the regular season, and what he's doing in Houston still sucks. Maybe I'll end up wrong about it maybe I won't. Don't really care anymore he's a Rocket.

Douglas I saw fire from the beginning and have thought all along he'd be very good.

Gallo I thought had a lot of skills - but - his health issue had me frustrated and that health issue for quite some time looked like he was going to be a bust. A bust not because of skill, a bust because of HEALTH issues. I thought Gallo showed some serious game from the get-go. But that damn year+ of health issues sucked.

Douglas showed a consistent offensive game in college. He has 6 bad games in summer league and the entire site had his carer predicted. They didn't pay attentiion to how easily he got into the paint(event though the shots weren't falling). They didn't notice how much difficulty defenders were having against him. They didn't notice the old school Knick grit, toughness and hustle. A guy that should have been an early fan favorite was instead labelled a bust based on 6 summer league games.

Who's the "They". Many of us were positive for TD right at the beginning. Some were not.

They are the people that didn't pay attentiion to how easily he got into the paint(event though the shots weren't falling). They didn't notice how much difficulty defenders were having against him. They didn't notice the old school Knick grit, toughness and hustle. A guy that should have been an early fan favorite was instead labelled a bust based on 6 summer league games. That's who they are.

Bippity10 wrote:
Douglas showed a consistent offensive game in college. He has 6 bad games in summer league and the entire site had his carer predicted. They didn't pay attentiion to how easily he got into the paint(event though the shots weren't falling). They didn't notice how much difficulty defenders were having against him. They didn't notice the old school Knick grit, toughness and hustle. A guy that should have been an early fan favorite was instead labelled a bust based on 6 summer league games.

I still am not sure there is a superstar in the group. But there are five solid young guys with plenty of upside on this roster. It's okay to disagree with me and think otherwise. But give some valid reasons. The "because he's a bust" and "because he sucks" school of talent evaluation just ends up embarrassing the person that does it.

It almost seems like some folks are more interested in getting out their final evaluation of a young player before that player has a chance to reach his potential, rather than sit back and watch them evolve during their early career. Many also have this belief that what you get in year one is what you are going to get in year 2, 3, or 4, never looking at the many variables that influence each player's growth as a player. Add to this my belief that posters who never wanted a player we drafted in the first place (applies to Gallo and Hill, more than TD)seem more likely to dig for negatives and be less objective in their evaluation of those players than they would be with players they actually wanted in the draft.

Very frustrating, but very common around here. In Douglas's case I don't think many posters took the time to see the clips of him at FSU, where it was quite evident that he had a nice shooting stroke, and during the SL, guys who should know better could not see that TD was clearly tightening up and hesitant in his shooting stroke.

I would like to think that the development of Gallinari and Douglas might give some critics pause to think when they evaluate players, but I expect the same kind of rushed judgments in the upcoming draft, also.

Paladin55 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:
Douglas showed a consistent offensive game in college. He has 6 bad games in summer league and the entire site had his carer predicted. They didn't pay attentiion to how easily he got into the paint(event though the shots weren't falling). They didn't notice how much difficulty defenders were having against him. They didn't notice the old school Knick grit, toughness and hustle. A guy that should have been an early fan favorite was instead labelled a bust based on 6 summer league games.

I still am not sure there is a superstar in the group. But there are five solid young guys with plenty of upside on this roster. It's okay to disagree with me and think otherwise. But give some valid reasons. The "because he's a bust" and "because he sucks" school of talent evaluation just ends up embarrassing the person that does it.

It almost seems like some folks are more interested in getting out their final evaluation of a young player before that player has a chance to reach his potential, rather than sit back and watch them evolve during their early career. Many also have this belief that what you get in year one is what you are going to get in year 2, 3, or 4, never looking at the many variables that influence each player's growth as a player. Add to this my belief that posters who never wanted a player we drafted in the first place (applies to Gallo and Hill, more than TD)seem more likely to dig for negatives and be less objective in their evaluation of those players than they would be with players they actually wanted in the draft.

Very frustrating, but very common around here. In Douglas's case I don't think many posters took the time to see the clips of him at FSU, where it was quite evident that he had a nice shooting stroke, and during the SL, guys who should know better could not see that TD was clearly tightening up and hesitant in his shooting stroke.

I would like to think that the development of Gallinari and Douglas might give some critics pause to think when they evaluate players, but I expect the same kind of rushed judgments in the upcoming draft, also.

I remember discussing Douglas early and trying to defend his play. I remember maybe 9 or 10 posters liking the guy as well. I should have written the names but I think Fishmike, Tms and couple others were with me. Then I remember about 10-15 destroying the kid and the rest of the people just ignoring my analysis. Now the kid is playing well and we have everyone saying he should have been playing all along. Well, sorry unless you were on the TD train early, you don't get to suddenly change your tune.

Bippity10 wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:
Douglas showed a consistent offensive game in college. He has 6 bad games in summer league and the entire site had his carer predicted. They didn't pay attentiion to how easily he got into the paint(event though the shots weren't falling). They didn't notice how much difficulty defenders were having against him. They didn't notice the old school Knick grit, toughness and hustle. A guy that should have been an early fan favorite was instead labelled a bust based on 6 summer league games.

I still am not sure there is a superstar in the group. But there are five solid young guys with plenty of upside on this roster. It's okay to disagree with me and think otherwise. But give some valid reasons. The "because he's a bust" and "because he sucks" school of talent evaluation just ends up embarrassing the person that does it.

It almost seems like some folks are more interested in getting out their final evaluation of a young player before that player has a chance to reach his potential, rather than sit back and watch them evolve during their early career. Many also have this belief that what you get in year one is what you are going to get in year 2, 3, or 4, never looking at the many variables that influence each player's growth as a player. Add to this my belief that posters who never wanted a player we drafted in the first place (applies to Gallo and Hill, more than TD)seem more likely to dig for negatives and be less objective in their evaluation of those players than they would be with players they actually wanted in the draft.

Very frustrating, but very common around here. In Douglas's case I don't think many posters took the time to see the clips of him at FSU, where it was quite evident that he had a nice shooting stroke, and during the SL, guys who should know better could not see that TD was clearly tightening up and hesitant in his shooting stroke.

I would like to think that the development of Gallinari and Douglas might give some critics pause to think when they evaluate players, but I expect the same kind of rushed judgments in the upcoming draft, also.

I remember discussing Douglas early and trying to defend his play. I remember maybe 9 or 10 posters liking the guy as well. I should have written the names but I think Fishmike, Tms and couple others were with me. Then I remember about 10-15 destroying the kid and the rest of the people just ignoring my analysis. Now the kid is playing well and we have everyone saying he should have been playing all along. Well, sorry unless you were on the TD train early, you don't get to suddenly change your tune.

Yes, you compared him to Charlie Ward.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=32591&page=1
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=32669&page=1
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=33170&page=1

BasketballJones wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:
Douglas showed a consistent offensive game in college. He has 6 bad games in summer league and the entire site had his carer predicted. They didn't pay attentiion to how easily he got into the paint(event though the shots weren't falling). They didn't notice how much difficulty defenders were having against him. They didn't notice the old school Knick grit, toughness and hustle. A guy that should have been an early fan favorite was instead labelled a bust based on 6 summer league games.

I still am not sure there is a superstar in the group. But there are five solid young guys with plenty of upside on this roster. It's okay to disagree with me and think otherwise. But give some valid reasons. The "because he's a bust" and "because he sucks" school of talent evaluation just ends up embarrassing the person that does it.

It almost seems like some folks are more interested in getting out their final evaluation of a young player before that player has a chance to reach his potential, rather than sit back and watch them evolve during their early career. Many also have this belief that what you get in year one is what you are going to get in year 2, 3, or 4, never looking at the many variables that influence each player's growth as a player. Add to this my belief that posters who never wanted a player we drafted in the first place (applies to Gallo and Hill, more than TD)seem more likely to dig for negatives and be less objective in their evaluation of those players than they would be with players they actually wanted in the draft.

Very frustrating, but very common around here. In Douglas's case I don't think many posters took the time to see the clips of him at FSU, where it was quite evident that he had a nice shooting stroke, and during the SL, guys who should know better could not see that TD was clearly tightening up and hesitant in his shooting stroke.

I would like to think that the development of Gallinari and Douglas might give some critics pause to think when they evaluate players, but I expect the same kind of rushed judgments in the upcoming draft, also.

I remember discussing Douglas early and trying to defend his play. I remember maybe 9 or 10 posters liking the guy as well. I should have written the names but I think Fishmike, Tms and couple others were with me. Then I remember about 10-15 destroying the kid and the rest of the people just ignoring my analysis. Now the kid is playing well and we have everyone saying he should have been playing all along. Well, sorry unless you were on the TD train early, you don't get to suddenly change your tune.

Yes, you compared him to Charlie Ward.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=32591&page=1
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=32669&page=1
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=33170&page=1

Let's be honest does anyone on this site have a higher percentage of getting it right then I do on this site? The answer is an emphatic no! NOt only do I get it right 99% of the time, my analysis of their skills and what will come next for them is unmatched. I am the greatest!!!

Viva la Charlie Ward and all those who wish to be like him.