tkf wrote:I know someone will bring up jennings game vs the warriors.. and indeed it was impressive..

But it was GS.... everyone has career games..

last year.. chris duhon.. 12/22 dimes

same game.David lee 37/21 boards..

go figure...

Why even mention Chris Duhon or David Lee when they put up those stats after being in the league 3 yrs?

Jennings dropped a double nickel on those guys. He didnt drop 30 points. He dropped 55 as a rookie.

Fact is Jennings has been good ALL year while playing for Skiles while Duhon never sniffed those stats under Skiles. Duhon had to play for D'Antoni to put up stats for a single year. Can you imagine Jennings stats in a run-n-gun offense. He'd probably be close to Tyreke Evans averages with just as many losses.

Couple of years ago Mardy Collins was doing the same thing, and as far as I know he is a bench scrub somewhere.

BRIGGS wrote:

simrud wrote:I would not put too much stock into the garbage time of the season performances.

Couple of years ago Mardy Collins was doing the same thing, and as far as I know he is a bench scrub somewhere.

Is the end of the season going to take away the guy's quickness or jumpshot? Mardy Collins was not a guy who had this type of speed or form on his J.

So we are going to compare a small sample size then lets compare Jennings first half of the season to Douglas 2nd half.

fishmike wrote:To me the special thing Jennings brings to the table is that Iverson like first step. He can make that one insanely quick step that will always free him to take a quick jumper or make a clean pass. Douglas doesnt have that and its not something you can teach. Thats also part of the reason that Douglas is ahead of Jennings in many areas (aside from age). Douglas has had to learn to do things fundamentally.

I dont know how driven Jennings is. He will always be able to get his shot off and he will always be able to create off the dribble. He is a liability on defense and is easy to push around with that Kate Moss like frame. However *IF* he ever develops the fundamentals to go with that first step he can really be a Nash type guy. He will pick you apart or drill jumpers in your face all day.

Its going to take a lot of drive from Jennings to do that. It will always be easy to fall back on that quick first step and settle for jumpers. Jamal Crawford is a hell of a good guy, always liked him but he's been doing it 8 years in the league and will probably be doing it 8 years from now.

That being said it gives him a higher ceiling in my opinion.

I was VERY staunch in my support for Walsh not drafting him. Not a lot of 160 pounders have long fruitful careers. He had some baggage also.

I'm very happy with how Douglas looks. He said himself he learned a ton this year even while he sat. When you look at our options its very feasable he's the starting PG next year and I'm starting to feel better about it.

I said he could be a Rondo... I take it back. They guy he can emulate is Billups. Billups bounced around like 3-4 teams his first 4 years. Tweener, not a true playmaker but a good talented (lottery) player. Then Detroit gave him the full MLE and Dumars said just do your thing. He doesnt get a ton of assists either, but he's a hardnosed defender and scorer. God I hope Douglas has that kind of potential. Good start.

WOW. Jennings has an Iverson like first step? Dude that isn't his game. He plays off screens then uses his speed to get ahead. Jennings uses his dribble to get a shot off not get to the rim.

People forget Billups was the 3rd pick for a reason. Douglas wont sniff being as good as Billups man.

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:To me the special thing Jennings brings to the table is that Iverson like first step. He can make that one insanely quick step that will always free him to take a quick jumper or make a clean pass. Douglas doesnt have that and its not something you can teach. Thats also part of the reason that Douglas is ahead of Jennings in many areas (aside from age). Douglas has had to learn to do things fundamentally.

I dont know how driven Jennings is. He will always be able to get his shot off and he will always be able to create off the dribble. He is a liability on defense and is easy to push around with that Kate Moss like frame. However *IF* he ever develops the fundamentals to go with that first step he can really be a Nash type guy. He will pick you apart or drill jumpers in your face all day.

Its going to take a lot of drive from Jennings to do that. It will always be easy to fall back on that quick first step and settle for jumpers. Jamal Crawford is a hell of a good guy, always liked him but he's been doing it 8 years in the league and will probably be doing it 8 years from now.

That being said it gives him a higher ceiling in my opinion.

I was VERY staunch in my support for Walsh not drafting him. Not a lot of 160 pounders have long fruitful careers. He had some baggage also.

I'm very happy with how Douglas looks. He said himself he learned a ton this year even while he sat. When you look at our options its very feasable he's the starting PG next year and I'm starting to feel better about it.

I said he could be a Rondo... I take it back. They guy he can emulate is Billups. Billups bounced around like 3-4 teams his first 4 years. Tweener, not a true playmaker but a good talented (lottery) player. Then Detroit gave him the full MLE and Dumars said just do your thing. He doesnt get a ton of assists either, but he's a hardnosed defender and scorer. God I hope Douglas has that kind of potential. Good start.

WOW. Jennings has an Iverson like first step? Dude that isn't his game. He plays off screens then uses his speed to get ahead. Jennings uses his dribble to get a shot off not get to the rim.

People forget Billups was the 3rd pick for a reason. Douglas wont sniff being as good as Billups man.

Obviously Iverson used his quickness to get to the basket more. Dude drew more contact than Shaq. They dont have similar games(Jennings and Iverson) but they both have that first step turbo. Jennings uses it all the time to create space for those pull up jumpers. I think your talking about all those high screens that get set for him? Part of his problem is instead of driving into the paint he pulls up for 3's. A lot of them. Just cause you get a good look doesnt make it a good shot

BRIGGS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Weren't you saying Douglas was nothing special when he was drafted?

Yes I did and I was wrong.

Thanks..... and now you have so much potential going forward

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:I know someone will bring up jennings game vs the warriors.. and indeed it was impressive..

But it was GS.... everyone has career games..

last year.. chris duhon.. 12/22 dimes

same game.David lee 37/21 boards..

go figure...

Why even mention Chris Duhon or David Lee when they put up those stats after being in the league 3 yrs?

Jennings dropped a double nickel on those guys. He didnt drop 30 points. He dropped 55 as a rookie.

Fact is Jennings has been good ALL year while playing for Skiles while Duhon never sniffed those stats under Skiles. Duhon had to play for D'Antoni to put up stats for a single year. Can you imagine Jennings stats in a run-n-gun offense. He'd probably be close to Tyreke Evans averages with just as many losses.

exactly, my point.. they have been in the league 3 years and had career games vs the warriors, numbers they haven't come close to vs good teams... everyone beast on the warriors...

Do you really think 55 points is that much more impressive(if at all) than 37/21? or even 22 assists? hmmm

My point was Duhon did alot of NOTHING his first 3 yrs. He played the Warriors a bunch of times before he came to the Knicks and didnt put up major stats.

David Lee puts up stats against EVERY team now just like Jennings. Jennings might not drop 50 but he could put up 20+ on any team. Skiles isn't going to let Jennings run wild and light teams up.

that said all things considered, i think Jennings is a better player & if i could trade Douglas to get Jennings i would, as long as i could be sure we wouldn't run into any problems down the road w/him clashing w/MDA over his style of play... at a #29 pick tho i don't see anyone i'd rather have right now out of that draft & that includes DeJuan Blair... a few years from now who knows maybe we'd all be proven wrong & Douglas turns out to be nothing more than a likable role playing vet like Charlie Ward, but right now u can't help but be excited over this kid's play.