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sebstar
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3/20/2010  7:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/20/2010  7:14 PM
Yeah, I'm spending way more time on this, and you, then its worth. About the only thing you've said that has made sense.

And yeah, calling us women would be cool if you were my boy and you were just joking. But you weren't joking and you damn sure arent my boy.

And when I said "super personal" I was talking about the stuff people would say Marbury, Curry, ext...Not what you said about me. Bro, I really could care less about you. You're the definition of a hater and you couldnt even do that right. Everything you said was a complete reflection of you and your wackness.

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3/20/2010  7:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/20/2010  7:39 PM
sebstar wrote:Yeah, I'm spending way more time on this, and you, then its worth. About the only thing you've said that has made sense.

Yeah, "real talk".

And yeah, calling us women would be cool if you were my boy and you were just joking. But you weren't joking and you damn sure arent my boy.

I was joking, and nope, you're not my father.


You're the definition of a hater and you couldnt even do that right.

Meaningless. Falling back on hater label... sign of stupidity.


Everything you said was a complete reflection of you and your wackness.

You could've wrote "Everything you said bounces off me and sticks to you" but you jazzed it up a bit.

I've tired of you. You got nothing. You can respond or not, I won't be responding to anything you post here. My word on that. And I don't go back on my words.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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3/20/2010  7:39 PM
Fa sho. No doubt. Have a good night.
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3/20/2010  7:48 PM
franco12 wrote:I think he is the most overrated coach in the NBA.

His statement that he didn't think Douglas could do what he did is just flat out unbelievable.

This coming from a guy who should know his players...

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3/20/2010  8:57 PM
First off I have nothing against woman.
Some of then are much more decent hunam beings that a bunch of angry idiotic man.

Second I like Knicks as of now 100 times better that Laden or Isiahs teams. They have a shot for the future.
The Knicks of last 10 yeras had a shot of draining in the toilet, which they constantky did.

I hate to see this team to lose all this games and miss playoffs yet again but this was expected and understood well in advance.

Walsh time was this 2 years and will be this summer and beyound.
Mikes time is not started yet so it is nothing to judge him about. He is not player development coach. Never was and never will.

Peace suckas!!!

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3/20/2010  9:28 PM
arkrud wrote:First off I have nothing against woman.
Some of then are much more decent hunam beings that a bunch of angry idiotic man.

Second I like Knicks as of now 100 times better that Laden or Isiahs teams. They have a shot for the future.
The Knicks of last 10 yeras had a shot of draining in the toilet, which they constantky did.

I hate to see this team to lose all this games and miss playoffs yet again but this was expected and understood well in advance.

Walsh time was this 2 years and will be this summer and beyound.
Mikes time is not started yet so it is nothing to judge him about. He is not player development coach. Never was and never will.

Peace suckas!!!


So the Knicks trade their only legit 7 footer to save a couple hundred grand but pay D'Antoni 12 mil for two years of bizarre rotations, self created drama, devaluing of assets, a gimmicky style that doesn't win, a refusal to play rookies any minutes unless the gm travels with the team, and rigidity issues and communication issues that repeatedly put the GM in the position of having to make trades to protect him so his time can start next year? In my opinion coming to NY to play for this coach is not the attraction it once was.
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3/20/2010  9:56 PM
The "why you have to bring up old ****" defense.

The hardest thing in life is to admit when you're wrong. I think many guys on here are having that trouble and the constant reminders aren't helping. So they have defended, attacked or criticized others to avoid the subject at hand.

Some guys have created their own personal alternative reality where MDA is doing a wonderful job.

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3/20/2010  10:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/20/2010  10:02 PM
Pharzeone wrote:The "why you have to bring up old ****" defense.

The hardest thing in life is to admit when you're wrong. I think many guys on here are having that trouble and the constant reminders aren't helping. So they have defended, attacked or criticized others to avoid the subject at hand.

Some guys have created their own personal alternative reality where MDA is doing a wonderful job.

The hardest thing in life is to admit when you're wrong. I think many guys on here are having that trouble and the constant reminders aren't helping. So they have defended, attacked or criticized others to avoid the subject at hand.

Some guys have created their own personal alternative reality where MDA is doing a terrible job.

And if you really think I care much you are wrong. I come here to have fun togerher with people with positive attitude over dumm-and-gloom guys.
Dont worry, be heappy!!!

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3/20/2010  10:44 PM
Even if we get LeBron James and Chris Bosh, I still will go into games thinking our coach is a huge weakness. Mike D'Antoni has really done NOTHING these first 2 years. Maybe D'Antoni is a better coach when he has better talent but I don't think his personality or his system is the correct fit for New York.
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3/20/2010  11:34 PM
iSergio wrote:Even if we get LeBron James and Chris Bosh, I still will go into games thinking our coach is a huge weakness. Mike D'Antoni has really done NOTHING these first 2 years. Maybe D'Antoni is a better coach when he has better talent but I don't think his personality or his system is the correct fit for New York.

just for the record, what was MDA supposed to do the first 2 years? What were your expectations when he was hired?

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TMS
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3/20/2010  11:58 PM
how about giving playing time to our #8 lottery pick & #29 1st round pick so they could grow & mature during a season when everyone knew this team had no chance to make the playoffs this year?

or not devaluing players like Nate Robinson & creating unnecessary drama by not communicating with players over their lack of playing time?

or being honest to the fans & media about his coaching agenda this season instead of lying through his teeth about wanting to develop the youth?

i can probably come up with more points of expectation but those are the main ones that IMO have cast this man in a negative light... the initial euphoria over landing a new head coach has worn thin... after 2 years every coach & player can be fairly judged on their performance... for the record, is there anything positive that MDA has achieved in NY that you can possibly point to at this point?

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3/21/2010  12:08 AM
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:Even if we get LeBron James and Chris Bosh, I still will go into games thinking our coach is a huge weakness. Mike D'Antoni has really done NOTHING these first 2 years. Maybe D'Antoni is a better coach when he has better talent but I don't think his personality or his system is the correct fit for New York.

just for the record, what was MDA supposed to do the first 2 years?

I dont know........coach?

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3/21/2010  12:43 AM
Some coaches aren't the nurturing rebuilding types. MDA is clearly in the Phil Jackson mold. When you give him players that are intelligent and capable, he'll guide them to more wins. He's not gonna eek out more wins with guys that aren't self motivated. I thought he would, but i've learned that he's just not gonna go that far. If the players put out that effort they'll do better, but like they did during brief spurts this year and last year. Now good players won't need the babying and play hard and well, more consistently. That's when MDA will shine, cuz then he can focus on the kind of things that will allow them to excel. It's how he can help a Nash to be even better by showing him the little things that can get the most out of his talents. Nash was already good, but with MDA, he became MVP level. That's what we're hoping for here.

Also it's not that he doesn't develop kids, cuz he's actually made a good number of his players better by giving them roles and focusing on their strengths so they could excel. ie, Barbosa, Diaw & Bell.

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3/21/2010  1:01 AM
nixluva wrote:Some coaches aren't the nurturing rebuilding types. MDA is clearly in the Phil Jackson mold. When you give him players that are intelligent and capable, he'll guide them to more wins. He's not gonna eek out more wins with guys that aren't self motivated. I thought he would, but i've learned that he's just not gonna go that far. If the players put out that effort they'll do better, but like they did during brief spurts this year and last year. Now good players won't need the babying and play hard and well, more consistently. That's when MDA will shine, cuz then he can focus on the kind of things that will allow them to excel. It's how he can help a Nash to be even better by showing him the little things that can get the most out of his talents. Nash was already good, but with MDA, he became MVP level. That's what we're hoping for here.

Also it's not that he doesn't develop kids, cuz he's actually made a good number of his players better by giving them roles and focusing on their strengths so they could excel. ie, Barbosa, Diaw & Bell.

This is very different from what you said when he first arrived. I still see that you want to bash the roster to excuse the coach. Effort is related to coaches. In fact most front offices believe that is the basic duty of a coaching staff. It's interesting that you said that he seems to only be able to good players to perform well. Basically you are saying we should appreciate a man who has no responsibility or accountability in his team's performance.

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3/21/2010  1:10 AM
nixluva wrote:Some coaches aren't the nurturing rebuilding types. MDA is clearly in the Phil Jackson mold. When you give him players that are intelligent and capable, he'll guide them to more wins. He's not gonna eek out more wins with guys that aren't self motivated. I thought he would, but i've learned that he's just not gonna go that far. If the players put out that effort they'll do better, but like they did during brief spurts this year and last year. Now good players won't need the babying and play hard and well, more consistently. That's when MDA will shine, cuz then he can focus on the kind of things that will allow them to excel. It's how he can help a Nash to be even better by showing him the little things that can get the most out of his talents. Nash was already good, but with MDA, he became MVP level. That's what we're hoping for here.

Also it's not that he doesn't develop kids, cuz he's actually made a good number of his players better by giving them roles and focusing on their strengths so they could excel. ie, Barbosa, Diaw & Bell.

I think you just blasted the guy you are trying to defend. Basically he needs three all stars that don't need coaching and can succeed without a competent coach.
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3/21/2010  1:23 AM
nixluva wrote:Some coaches aren't the nurturing rebuilding types. MDA is clearly in the Phil Jackson mold. When you give him players that are intelligent and capable, he'll guide them to more wins. He's not gonna eek out more wins with guys that aren't self motivated. I thought he would, but i've learned that he's just not gonna go that far. If the players put out that effort they'll do better, but like they did during brief spurts this year and last year. Now good players won't need the babying and play hard and well, more consistently. That's when MDA will shine, cuz then he can focus on the kind of things that will allow them to excel. It's how he can help a Nash to be even better by showing him the little things that can get the most out of his talents. Nash was already good, but with MDA, he became MVP level. That's what we're hoping for here.

Also it's not that he doesn't develop kids, cuz he's actually made a good number of his players better by giving them roles and focusing on their strengths so they could excel. ie, Barbosa, Diaw & Bell.


The only guy that developed under D'Antoni was Barbosa. Bell was in the league for 5 years before going to Phoenix and was already established. Diaw was a Hawk for his first two seasons. D'Antoni has no record of developing players that I recall.
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3/21/2010  1:39 AM
Tms,

Respectfully Nate devalued Nate before MDA even got here.

Nobody tried to sign him and no way the knicks were gonna match and add more cap in the Name of Nate.

This is almost a fact. Dlee is a different story and maybe the knicks would have matched, but thats a different arguement.

I think he should have developed Hill more but we just don't know the story.

Regarding firing him, what coach is going to improve upon this roster until the roster changes?

We all got our opinions.

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3/21/2010  2:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/21/2010  2:01 AM
i think we're already highly invested in MDA so i'm not totally favor of firing him right now, tho would be in favor of bringing in a defensive minded coach if we did decide to go in a different direction... i'm willing to wait til he gets a chance to coach a real roster for 1 season... after that if i don't see this team getting to where we thought it could go under this guy, i'd want him out...

i definitely don't like the job he's done since he's been here & i think things could have easily been done much better w/regard to the handling of our rookies & assigning playing time to certain veterans who he should have been utilizing this season... u can plainly see that Darko could have helped this team this year if given a chance & i believe Larry Hughes & Nate Robinson could also have been handled a lot better than they were.

you say no one was going to sign Nate but there were rumors that teams were inquiring about him in trades last year... during that stretch of games where he was performing like an Allstar u mean to tell me we couldn't have looked to trade him at that point when his value was at its peak? i put that on Donnie Walsh obviously but u knew the guy was capable of that level of play & he proved it once again this season the first game back from that 14 game benching MDA gave him... if this season was a throw away anyway why not feature a guy like Nate to try & raise his trade value rather than devaluing him any further by benching him for that prolonged stretch & making him a spectacle? didn't we have enough of that with Marbury the season before? i don't get MDA sometimes he seems to enjoy the drama to prove to everyone that he's in charge around here... the diva labels seem very apropo IMHO... he's so indignant when it comes to having anyone tell him his system is flawed... he's flippant to the media when it comes to their legitimate questions on his curious coaching decisions... & he's obviously clueless to the abilities of young guys like Toney Douglas who everyone around here was calling to get more playing time all season long... only now does he realize what this kid can do... we had cats talking about this kid all season long on this forum & we're paying this guy how much a year to know these things? come on dude... how can u possibly defend the job MDA's done as our head coach since he's been here?

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3/21/2010  2:10 AM
Didn't Donnie put out hints about matching reasonable offers for both Lee and Nate. Why would teams set themselves up like that. I will be interested to see what happens with Gay this off-season. This off-season is so different then last year.
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3/21/2010  2:11 AM
Pharzeone wrote:Didn't Donnie put out hints about matching reasonable offers for both Lee and Nate. Why would teams set themselves up like that. I will be interested to see what happens with Gay this off-season. This off-season is so different then last year.

he also put it out there that any team interested in acquiring Lee or Nate would also have to take back Curry & Fishlips' contracts in the process... if that's not a deterrent i dunno what is.

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