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Cosmic
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4/4/2010  7:05 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:
Cosmic wrote:And outside of those games he's recorded 1 block once. Whooptie doo.

I guess this is going to be an ongoing theme: "OMFG WE GAVE UP JORDAN HILL" theme. I mean, some talk like we gave up our franchise center for the next 15 years when in reality we gave up a raw backup forward. The guy just isn't all that good at anything. You'd think differently reading some posts by some users on him but then you watch him and look over his stats and you shake your head wondering what on earth these people think they're watching. I guess they see the name "Jordan" and think we gave up MICHAEL JORDAN. Got to be something because I've never seen such an uproar over trading the next Jackie Butler (Who had much better games as a pro than Hill ever did).

But whatever. To me it's simple:

* Why did the Knicks select a raw forward when they were loaded with forward, and not just that but loaded with young forwards they want to keep (Lee, Gallo, Chandler).

* Hill should have played more. Regardless of how poorly he played he still should have played more. Yet, you're not benching Lee, Gallo, Chandler - or Jeffries, Harrington... to play Jordan Hill. No matter how bad you are you're not burying five guys on the bench to play a raw rookie!


But, well, as some would have it, had we only played Hill we'd be in the playoffs! Not sure what planet those guys are on but it's not Earth.


I think the point being made is that if Hill was played we might still have a first round pick in 2012. His not playing devalued him to the point where that pick had to be included. I don't believe anyone thinks Hill playing would have gotten the Knicks into the playoffs. I also have not read or heard a decent explanation for why he did not get minutes on a team that was going no where filled with marginal vets.

Maybe....maybe not. Hill isn't that good. And the Rockets asked the Bulls for generally the same exact package: A pick swap in 2011, a 2012 pick, expirings (Miller), and a young player (Tyrus).

Their demands were high.


I'd like to think that Tyrus had done a whole lot more than Hill ever did. And there it was, the Rockets demanding Tyrus Thomas.

So I doubt that Hill playing would have changed much. Besides...he hasn't done a damn thing better for them than he did for us in his limited minutes here. So I don't think it's possible we do that trade without any picks based on whether or not Hill had played more. I still think Houston would have demanded the picks based on the fact that TMac could have potentially returned to form.

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4/4/2010  7:08 PM
Cosmic wrote:And outside of those games he's recorded 1 block once. Whooptie doo.

I guess this is going to be an ongoing theme: "OMFG WE GAVE UP JORDAN HILL" theme. I mean, some talk like we gave up our franchise center for the next 15 years when in reality we gave up a raw backup forward. The guy just isn't all that good at anything. You'd think differently reading some posts by some users on him but then you watch him and look over his stats and you shake your head wondering what on earth these people think they're watching. I guess they see the name "Jordan" and think we gave up MICHAEL JORDAN. Got to be something because I've never seen such an uproar over trading the next Jackie Butler (Who had much better games as a pro than Hill ever did).

But whatever. To me it's simple:

* Why did the Knicks select a raw forward when they were loaded with forward, and not just that but loaded with young forwards they want to keep (Lee, Gallo, Chandler).

* Hill should have played more. Regardless of how poorly he played he still should have played more. Yet, you're not benching Lee, Gallo, Chandler - or Jeffries, Harrington... to play Jordan Hill. No matter how bad you are you're not burying five guys on the bench to play a raw rookie!


But, well, as some would have it, had we only played Hill we'd be in the playoffs! Not sure what planet those guys are on but it's not Earth.

Preach on brother,

I'm not sure how he'll turn out down the road, but as of right now, he's not ready and we can't sit around and wait. we have suck way to long to start developing prospects. He certainly was not an impact player, and really should have gotten drafted in the late teens.

BOO HOO!! We gave up a 2012 pick, and swap another, the goal is to become a 50 win team by next year, how high will that pick turn out to be.

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4/4/2010  7:16 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Cosmic wrote:And outside of those games he's recorded 1 block once. Whooptie doo.

I guess this is going to be an ongoing theme: "OMFG WE GAVE UP JORDAN HILL" theme. I mean, some talk like we gave up our franchise center for the next 15 years when in reality we gave up a raw backup forward. The guy just isn't all that good at anything. You'd think differently reading some posts by some users on him but then you watch him and look over his stats and you shake your head wondering what on earth these people think they're watching. I guess they see the name "Jordan" and think we gave up MICHAEL JORDAN. Got to be something because I've never seen such an uproar over trading the next Jackie Butler (Who had much better games as a pro than Hill ever did).

But whatever. To me it's simple:

* Why did the Knicks select a raw forward when they were loaded with forward, and not just that but loaded with young forwards they want to keep (Lee, Gallo, Chandler).

* Hill should have played more. Regardless of how poorly he played he still should have played more. Yet, you're not benching Lee, Gallo, Chandler - or Jeffries, Harrington... to play Jordan Hill. No matter how bad you are you're not burying five guys on the bench to play a raw rookie!


But, well, as some would have it, had we only played Hill we'd be in the playoffs! Not sure what planet those guys are on but it's not Earth.

Preach on brother,

I'm not sure how he'll turn out down the road, but as of right now, he's not ready and we can't sit around and wait. we have suck way to long to start developing prospects. He certainly was not an impact player, and really should have gotten drafted in the late teens.

BOO HOO!! We gave up a 2012 pick, and swap another, the goal is to become a 50 win team by next year, how high will that pick turn out to be.

Well, that's what it's about. Building a winner. You weren't doing it with Zach Randolph, Jamal Crawford, Jordan Hill, and the 2011 and 2012 picks (more sweetneys, fryes, hills).

The plan is to build a winner. We accomplish even HALF of that plan this summer then there is no 2011 swap (making the playoffs in the east versus the rockets not making the playoffs in the west) and then you would think that after building even HALF a winner this season would mean come 2011 that we could easily add to the team (as it would be enticing to players to come here) that the 2012 pick would be nothing. Another Balkman.

The problem with the other side of the argument is that it is perceived that:

*Jordan Hill is a franchise player.
*The 2011 swap will happen and be a #1 overall pick thus a franchise player.
*The 2012 pick will be a #1 overall pick and thus a franchise player.

But that isn't reality. What is reality is we have a chance to build a dynasty with our cap space. What is reality is you don't build a dynasty around Jordan FUCKING Hill and his 6pts/5rebs!

Yet, well....we still got the tears flowing into the river of "Jordan Hill would have made us forget Ewing ever lived!".

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4/4/2010  7:28 PM
The plan is extremely simplistic, far from full proof and at least one of the selling points, D'Antoni, is being seen as a liability by some in the national media.
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4/4/2010  7:42 PM
CrushAlot wrote:The plan is extremely simplistic, far from full proof and at least one of the selling points, D'Antoni, is being seen as a liability by some in the national media.

No arguments here.

Except that we don't know what will happen so we can't yet judge it. Without the trades we knew full well what we'd have for the 2010-2011 season. Another 30 win team and the 8th pick in the 2011 NBA Draft.

So just given that....the fact we have a chance to do otherwise...is one reason I'm on board with "The Plan".

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Jordan Hill has 5 blocks against the Celtics

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