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AnubisADL
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3/8/2010  3:16 PM
Cosmic wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Cosmic wrote:I think as free agency dries up as the summer goes forward guys like Lee will make LESS money the later they are signed. Except for that "Chicago Bulls" situation where nobody wanted their money but they were eventually able to throw a max contract at Jalen Rose. Other than that? I think guys like Lee will rapidly see their chances decline.

Better not say no if someone asks for 5 years 60M for his services. Because by the time he's done he'll be like Radmanovich who passed up on what a 42M contract and ended up with the Lakers MLE in the end.

Lee will see the same happen to him. He better jump at that first offer.

I bet our first offer begins at 10M, he winces, and goes off into the wasteland. We sign other players, and then Lee ends up with another 7M starting offer.

So you think NJ is going to not spend this summer?

Realistically David Lee is the only guy they could probably lock up early because he supposedly loves NYC.

Would you blow all your cap room on David Lee?

No, you wouldn't. So why do you expect another team to do the same?

And if they did? You send them a thank you note for stopping you from doing the same. No?

It isn't what I would do. The Nets are playing in an empty stadium. Bottom line David Lee has a fan base in the Tri-State area and he will put fans in seats.

The Nets can pay Lee 10-12 million starting, pay Rudy Gay the max, and add a top 4 lottery pick and not go over the cap.

Lopez
Lee
Gay
Lottery pick
Harris

Can you seriously say that wouldn't be a very watchable team next year in the East? For all we know they could send Harris and their pick to New Orleans on draft day for Chris Paul.

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3/8/2010  3:16 PM
I cringe when people says this year is Lee fault. Tonight it will be Lee, Chandler, and T-mac vs Horford, Smith, and Williams and it is Lee fault that we will get killed on the boards. He shoots 55% get 3.5 assists a game, only guy that rebounds, and he never sits out yet it is his fault that 63 points were scored in the paint. That wasnt his man that was other people getting int he lane because no one on this team guards or rebounds. You tell me another center in the league that has to guard bigger men, play 40 minutes, be the only rebounder, and set 75 drag screens a game.
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3/8/2010  3:18 PM
I don't think anyone that wasn't already watching the Nets is going to watch the Nets because they signed David Lee. Paul? Why would he go to NJ. I mean in some cases sure money talks....but we've seen player say "HELL NO" to trades and scuttle them. Being traded to the Nets is certainly a top reason to scuttle a trade.

I think the Nets are screwed. They're the NETS. Honestly, isn't that enough?

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3/8/2010  3:19 PM
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s3231 wrote:I've said it all along, if we let Lee walk for nothing and aren't able to replace him with a Lebron, Bosh, Wade, etc., Donnie should be fired.

I don't think this scenario will unfold either way though. If Lee goes to the Nets, probably means we were able to land a big-time free agent in his place.

knicks have first dibs...but if teams give him the full court press on july 8th and offer something like $11/12 a year...he may sign while the knicks are trying to woo someone else. knicks better have all thier ducks in a row once july 1st rolls around. and to get the cap space, they need to renounce lee's rights.

The good thing is from my limited understanding of the CBA, there is no deadline to renounce your player's bird rights.

So Donnie doesn't even need to renounce Lee's rights if he realizes that he will not be able to sign LeBron, Bosh, or Wade. That is clutch since it allows us to give David that 6th year in any type of offer.

I'm hoping that accordingly, Donnie won't screw around with David and should know within a couple of days of July 1st whether or not he can lure the big fish.

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3/8/2010  3:21 PM
Cosmic wrote:I don't think anyone that wasn't already watching the Nets is going to watch the Nets because they signed David Lee. Paul? Why would he go to NJ. I mean in some cases sure money talks....but we've seen player say "HELL NO" to trades and scuttle them. Being traded to the Nets is certainly a top reason to scuttle a trade.

I think the Nets are screwed. They're the NETS. Honestly, isn't that enough?

Please, they have better overall young talent than we have, a top pick, and almost similar cap space.

The Nets will be more than fine.

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3/8/2010  3:22 PM
and they should. If your a Nets fan you have to think pretty highly of your future. Top 3 pick. Overrated but decent group of players. Max cap space. New arena. Russian money. They have great potential.
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3/8/2010  3:24 PM
King1 wrote:I cringe when people says this year is Lee fault. Tonight it will be Lee, Chandler, and T-mac vs Horford, Smith, and Williams and it is Lee fault that we will get killed on the boards. He shoots 55% get 3.5 assists a game, only guy that rebounds, and he never sits out yet it is his fault that 63 points were scored in the paint. That wasnt his man that was other people getting int he lane because no one on this team guards or rebounds. You tell me another center in the league that has to guard bigger men, play 40 minutes, be the only rebounder, and set 75 drag screens a game.

Seriously man, David has been doing the same stuff for the last 4 years. He is too slow to guard SF's, got destroyed by PF's, and gets destroyed by Centers. Only difference is now he can score to help balance the amount of points he gives up.

There is a reason Lee and Curry could play together in the front court.

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3/8/2010  3:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/8/2010  3:28 PM
Cosmic wrote:I don't think anyone that wasn't already watching the Nets is going to watch the Nets because they signed David Lee. Paul? Why would he go to NJ. I mean in some cases sure money talks....but we've seen player say "HELL NO" to trades and scuttle them. Being traded to the Nets is certainly a top reason to scuttle a trade.

I think the Nets are screwed. They're the NETS. Honestly, isn't that enough?

Not really because it happened not too long ago Marbury/Kidd and it catapulted Kidd into true Super-stardom. He went from attractive Phx to swap dump Jersey. Now Jersey will be state of the art in 2yrs with crazy upside. CP3's market potential could grow slightly as he isn't quite a Global Icon and losing some Superstar steam. The only reason I see CP3 saying no to such a trade because he loves New Orleans(home) but he has publicly expressed frustration over some of the recent moves they've made and Harris isn't what I would call safe in Jersey. Is it a little far fetched sorta but not out of the realm of possibility.

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3/8/2010  3:27 PM
Cosmic wrote:I don't think anyone that wasn't already watching the Nets is going to watch the Nets because they signed David Lee. Paul? Why would he go to NJ. I mean in some cases sure money talks....but we've seen player say "HELL NO" to trades and scuttle them. Being traded to the Nets is certainly a top reason to scuttle a trade.

I think the Nets are screwed. They're the NETS. Honestly, isn't that enough?

Jason Kidd, Vince Carter, and Richardson Jefferson had zero complaints. Do you know why? They lived in NYC. The NJ Nets practice facility is 30-45 minutes from the city.

I rather play in NJ versus New Orleans or Memphis any day.

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3/8/2010  3:58 PM
I think Someone will give Johnson and Amare max contracts thus making them idiots. Just like if a team offered lee 15 million they would be deemed morons. The top free agents are going to get paid. I know you dont want to believe this but owners as well as players respect Lee game. There is a very good chance he will make the world championship team this summer.
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3/8/2010  4:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/8/2010  4:07 PM
I'll tell you what, the more I watch Amare play this season the more I come away impressed.

Is he a max player? No, not at all. But he is very much getting back to his old form. If we strike out on some of the other free agents, I would look into possibly signing Amare at a reasonable deal. The guy is playing like an impact player again and I think a lot of people blow his defense way out of proportion. Opposing PF's have an efg% of 49% against him this season. That is actually a good number for a big man.

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3/8/2010  4:14 PM
King1 wrote:I think Someone will give Johnson and Amare max contracts thus making them idiots. Just like if a team offered lee 15 million they would be deemed morons. The top free agents are going to get paid. I know you dont want to believe this but owners as well as players respect Lee game. There is a very good chance he will make the world championship team this summer.

Who's disagreeing with you that there will be teams this summer willing to pay Lee besides maybe Cos? I was one of the first to say Lee's extension value at the time was 5yrs/$50mil but just because we know we have a player heading into a volatile market doesn't mean we should join in. I kept making reference who his agent was one of the best in the business in terms of getting lucrative deals done. If Lee can go get his money more power to him just don't act like a fairy getting there. Same reason Amar'e and Johnson shouldn't get max deals is the same reason we shouldn't throw stupid money at Lee.

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3/8/2010  5:43 PM
what happened? i thought he was going to take considerably less to stay in NY? he's a NY guy, homegrown... he'll take what we offer & he'll like it, remember?
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3/8/2010  5:48 PM
Cosmic wrote:I don't think anyone that wasn't already watching the Nets is going to watch the Nets because they signed David Lee. Paul? Why would he go to NJ. I mean in some cases sure money talks....but we've seen player say "HELL NO" to trades and scuttle them. Being traded to the Nets is certainly a top reason to scuttle a trade.

I think the Nets are screwed. They're the NETS. Honestly, isn't that enough?


If they add the number one pick and are smart with their cap space, second first round pick and assets I think they will be significantly improved. If they end up in Brooklyn I think they will have alot of people watching them.
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