bitty41 wrote:I'm sorry but Knick fans that would want that walking injury Tracy McGrady signed to any deal past 10 games is nuts. He's quit on two different teams and is totally broken down. Andrew 5 years are you serious this guy is lucky if he has 80 games left of good basketball let alone 5 years.

you don't want to get the throwback #1 knee-lack jersey?

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SupremeCommander wrote:

bitty41 wrote:I'm sorry but Knick fans that would want that walking injury Tracy McGrady signed to any deal past 10 games is nuts. He's quit on two different teams and is totally broken down. Andrew 5 years are you serious this guy is lucky if he has 80 games left of good basketball let alone 5 years.

I think McGrady could reinvent himself in the way McDyess or Grant Hill or Sean Elliot did. You most certainly would not build around McGrady, but be a key contributor? I think so

But five years at that money is too rich for my liking

Big difference btw McGreedy and McDyess/Hill. Those guys didn't quit on their teams they just ran into bad luck injury wise. McGreedy thinks nothing of bailing on his teams it's ridiculous because how can you possibly want to sign McGreedy to a 5 year contract but complain about Randolph's contract.

i wouldn't sign T-Mac to a 5 year deal, but to be fair no one's thinking about offering him a contract that will take up $17 mil on the cap this summer either.

TMS wrote:

fishmike wrote:I like Zach. I was one of the few people here who said he would play very well in MDAs system because he's a good basketball player. Funny though, he defends about as much as Lee does. He like to beat his man on offense and obviously he's a great rebounder. He never passes and is a poor ball handler.

Once again amazing how winning changes perception.

Zach was regarded as a cancer here. People wanted to trade down 10 spots to get rid of him contract. This was the guy that was holding the franchise back and clogging up the development of our young players. Now he's got Mayo, Gay, Gasol and Conley around him. He's surrounded by a solid 2-way 7 foot center and 3 wings who are high lottery picks and all good. Poof... Zach is great, will we ever get a guy like him before... bla bla bla.

Its mind boggling. Part of me hopes Lee goes somewhere like Pho or Miami or the Bulls where he has a star to play next to. Then you can watch him play in 4 of the next 5 all star games as he brings his 20/12/55% into the playoffs every year and everyone can joke about how the only good player on the Knicks in the last 10 years is on another team.

Fans around here are so jaded buy this franchise they dont even know what they are seeing anymore.

I dont even love Lee. He's a homegrown Knick and a guy that just works hard and gets better every year. I thought those were the guys you tried to draft and keep.

I dont even know what Lee's upside is. The guy went from a huslte garbage player to a point forward in 5 years. His stats arent inflated because he's always been a good rebounder. How do you inflate 20ppg and 55%???

Zach has all that talent around him in MEM & yet they still have no chance at winning a title... there's your answer

still don't see how u can rag on people for wanting to trade down 10 slots to get rid of $33 million worth of Zach's contract & yet support Donnie when dumping our #8 lottery pick, swap rights in 2011 & our 2012 pick outright to dump $7 million worth of Fishlips' contract... just doesn't make any sense to me how u can have such completely opposite viewpoints on this one & you have yet to explain your reasoning on this.

You haven't been watching Memphis. They have a long ways to go before competing seriously right now they are a nice young team with some decent players. They essentially have 4 really good players three of which are still developing. The Black Mamba and Rudy Gay are still not consistent sometimes they have lights out nights and others you wouldn't even know they were playing. Gasol is probably the most consistent behind Zach and their point guard situation is pretty ****ty right now.

But one thing is for sure Memphis has a solid core that's developing whereas the Knicks have zilch and aren't even really trying to develop their young guys. One month Chandler and Gallo are have a consistent role next D'Antoni is running the offense through T-Mac. And the Knicks didn't even attempt to work Jordan Hill into any kind of rotation. So yea I rather the Knicks be in Memphis situation than their current one which is waiting for a bailout.

TMS wrote:at the very worst, we'll get a similar player... D Lee can be had for less money than Zach would have cost us in 2010 & he's easily on the same level as a player.

I strongly disagree with this statement. Randolph demands double teams and is capable of putting the opposition in foul trouble. Lee does not warrant a double team and has not been known to foul out. Head to head, Lee has proven that he is not capable of matching Randolph when he was a Blazer, Clipper and now a Grizzly. Beyond the stats and number of possessions per team I wouldn't rate Lee in Randolph's class. Although Lee is a better leaper, passer and his ball handle is better. But again Lee's low post defense is worse than Randolph. And that is saying something.

SupremeCommander wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

bitty41 wrote:I'm sorry but Knick fans that would want that walking injury Tracy McGrady signed to any deal past 10 games is nuts. He's quit on two different teams and is totally broken down. Andrew 5 years are you serious this guy is lucky if he has 80 games left of good basketball let alone 5 years.

I think McGrady could reinvent himself in the way McDyess or Grant Hill or Sean Elliot did. You most certainly would not build around McGrady, but be a key contributor? I think so

But five years at that money is too rich for my liking

Big difference btw McGreedy and McDyess/Hill. Those guys didn't quit on their teams they just ran into bad luck injury wise. McGreedy thinks nothing of bailing on his teams it's ridiculous because how can you possibly want to sign McGreedy to a 5 year contract but complain about Randolph's contract.

Whether or not McGrady is a good teammate is completely uncorrelated with his health and ability to play.

When has McGreedy's health ever been good the guy routinely misses large portions of the season due to "injuries" and being a unreliable teammate doesn't give you pause? You would want a guy on the Knicks who would think nothing of missing playoff games for phantom injuries.

Of course his off the court behavior is a concern. How much of a concern, I don't know. He won't be asked to be The Guy here. I wouldn't mind seeing him stick around at a reasonable contract.

I think it was TKF that likened him to Ron Harper, in that he could lengthen his career by setting the table for other stars. From what he's said he seems willing to be another guy in the lockerroom instead of being the storyline.

It would be silly to not entertain the notion of TMac as an initiator, distributor, and third option

I'm not even talking about his off the court behavior (he actually seems to be a decent guy off the court) but as a basketball player he's a bum sorry. Doesn't care about his teams, doesn't care about winning, I'm not even sure he would even play basketball if it wasn't for the exorbitant amount of cash he gets paid.

That's an insult to Ron Harper T-Mac doesn't have a tenth of the grit Ron Harper had.

SupremeCommander wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

bitty41 wrote:I'm sorry but Knick fans that would want that walking injury Tracy McGrady signed to any deal past 10 games is nuts. He's quit on two different teams and is totally broken down. Andrew 5 years are you serious this guy is lucky if he has 80 games left of good basketball let alone 5 years.

I think McGrady could reinvent himself in the way McDyess or Grant Hill or Sean Elliot did. You most certainly would not build around McGrady, but be a key contributor? I think so

But five years at that money is too rich for my liking

Big difference btw McGreedy and McDyess/Hill. Those guys didn't quit on their teams they just ran into bad luck injury wise. McGreedy thinks nothing of bailing on his teams it's ridiculous because how can you possibly want to sign McGreedy to a 5 year contract but complain about Randolph's contract.

Whether or not McGrady is a good teammate is completely uncorrelated with his health and ability to play.

When has McGreedy's health ever been good the guy routinely misses large portions of the season due to "injuries" and being a unreliable teammate doesn't give you pause? You would want a guy on the Knicks who would think nothing of missing playoff games for phantom injuries.

Of course his off the court behavior is a concern. How much of a concern, I don't know. He won't be asked to be The Guy here. I wouldn't mind seeing him stick around at a reasonable contract.

I think it was TKF that likened him to Ron Harper, in that he could lengthen his career by setting the table for other stars. From what he's said he seems willing to be another guy in the lockerroom instead of being the storyline.

It would be silly to not entertain the notion of TMac as an initiator, distributor, and third option

I'm not even talking about his off the court behavior (he actually seems to be a decent guy off the court) but as a basketball player he's a bum sorry. Doesn't care about his teams, doesn't care about winning, I'm not even sure he would even play basketball if it wasn't for the exorbitant amount of cash he gets paid.

That's an insult to Ron Harper T-Mac doesn't have a tenth of the grit Ron Harper had.

In that case I have no idea what you're trying to say

There is no reason to have this washed up hasbeen on the team he's like that horrible boyfriend that will draw you in with a few great orgasms but than totally **** up your head that's T-Mac.

fishmike wrote:snorting beer... does that work?

I was curious about that as well.

I think I've accidentally done it in the past and I don't think it was beneficial.

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djsunyc wrote:

bitty41 wrote:I'm sorry but Knick fans that would want that walking injury Tracy McGrady signed to any deal past 10 games is nuts. He's quit on two different teams and is totally broken down. Andrew 5 years are you serious this guy is lucky if he has 80 games left of good basketball let alone 5 years.

fish is ready to throw $55 mil at tyrus thomas too. i think the dude is now snorting beer.

LMAO @ paying a guy 55 million who can't dribble, shoot, and pass.

hey... dont laugh all your ass off

It comes down to rolling the dice. Tyrus has a very very high ceiling. I readily admit he could be next Stromile Swift, but he could also be the next Ben Wallace. You wait till a guy is a star then go get them. It just doesnt happen. You can take a shot on a guy with great potential. To do that your going to have to take a risk. Getting Billups with the MLE was a once in a 20 year signing. Your going to have to roll the dice, like Wash did with Arenas. Granted, he's hurt but throwing $10mm at a combo guard turned out to yield them a heck of a player.

If you wait for Tyrus to be averaging 12 boards and 3 blocks a game your not going to have a shot at him.

So I'm giving someone a large contract based on potential. I haven't seen that before...(Curry, Eddy circa 2005)